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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 14, 2019 11:32:31 GMT -5
I get it and I'm all for venting. But, these were trolls and deserved their fates. I believe one of them was Harooni who had already managed to get himself banned. I wasn't for banning him. I've known him for a long time and usually I can laugh at his craziness. He could have come back and quietly hung around and slipped himself back in..........but that isn't in him. His propensity for making grand entrances was his undoing. and, ftr, I don't believe I deserved my "punishment". My actions were in defense of the integrity of this board. Sometimes, you have to break a few eggs. So, I was a little pissy about it in this thread. My apologies. Personally, I don’t mind trolls being here at all as long as we can flame their dumb posts. I am for less mod intervention, not more
I know I am speaking for all the mods when I say we too are for less mod intervention, but if people like yourself and others flame the people you believe are trolls, things turn into a shit show.
So unlike the previous board, the idea is truly to weed out the trolls and make this a more good-natured forum where ball busting is commonplace but threads don't turn ugly. Of course in order to achieve that we need everyone to be on board with it.
As for the OP, I saw the title and knew it wasn't something I'd be interested in. I don't however think of the OP is a troll. I think his post is far-fetched, but not any more than something Dave Gettleman may have said.
So the idea of attacking him as a response to his OP was not very useful in making for good a good thread. I would much rather see people challenge his opinion with something substantive or just ignore him. We've all read through enough of the BS, and while I know a thread like this may be a highlight for our friend Big Jeep, I'd rather see us elevate the level of conversation instead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 11:34:40 GMT -5
I didn't say you should have attacked him. I merely stated that "silly" was an understatement. Maybe you mods should define your idea of what "attacking" is. I'll define it right now... dont be a dick... is that easy enough?... I wasnt attacking him at all nor should he have been. lets move on and talk football. To be fair, I don't believe I was being a dick when dealing with the troll/s. They should reap what they sew. I didn't say you were attacking him/her. I just saying that your "silly" comment was an understatement. It was FAR more than just silly. And I'm on the fence as to whether this particular poster is a troll or not. Certainly changing one's profile name is a red flag.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 11:40:28 GMT -5
Personally, I don’t mind trolls being here at all as long as we can flame their dumb posts. I am for less mod intervention, not more
I know I am speaking for all the mods when I say we too are for less mod intervention, but if people like yourself and others flame the people you believe are trolls, things turn into a shit show.
So unlike the previous board, the idea is truly to weed out the trolls and make this a more good-natured forum where ball busting is commonplace but threads don't turn ugly. Of course in order to achieve that we need everyone to be on board with it.
As for the OP, I saw the title and knew it wasn't something I'd be interested in. I don't however think of the OP is a troll. I think his post is far-fetched, but not any more than something Dave Gettleman may have said.
So the idea of attacking him as a response to his OP was not very useful in making for good a good thread. I would much rather see people challenge his opinion with something substantive or just ignore him. We've all read through enough of the BS, and while I know a thread like this may be a highlight for our friend Big Jeep, I'd rather see us elevate the level of conversation instead.
Sorry, but I disagree. The one's accused of being dicks and getting "punished" have been around a long time and can recognize trolls almost immediately. We should be allowed to flame them and expose them so everyone knows. Trolls turn threads into "shit shows", not those of us trying to protect the integrity of the boards. And, ball busting is not attacking or flaming. I've busted Bid Red's balls plenty, yet we still remain friendly.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 14, 2019 12:05:09 GMT -5
Understated......but I understand. Mods trying to keep the peace. Jones has already surpassed Eli's rookie year as far as performance. A QB that brought this organization 2 rings. If Jones were up for trade bait, he would be coveted by EVERY team in need of a QB. The professionals are not members if the ignorant NFL fan base who can't wait to fire people when not instantly gratified. He's played exactly 8 games in the NFL and his fumbling problems can be directly attributed to defenders running free in the backfield. It's an issue that can/will be solved with experience and better protection. We will have a very coveted draft position this year (again) and that will be enough to trade for more picks. Trading Daniel Jones will not and should not be a consideration. We have our franchise QB now. Move the **** on. cant attack a member every time or one time or what ever the case may be because they may make an outrageous statement. Now regarding trading our spot in line in 2020 we shall see. Have to wait on who is available etc. The next 2 to 3 drafts need to be outstanding for the gmen. .......obviously I’ve already put the down payment on the everything Danny board because who could ever see coming that some Giants fans would espouse dramatic emotional and ridiculous feelings about the team’s QB? It’s shocking really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 12:34:58 GMT -5
To some up this thread and to answer the original question........."no".
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 14, 2019 12:47:57 GMT -5
I know I am speaking for all the mods when I say we too are for less mod intervention, but if people like yourself and others flame the people you believe are trolls, things turn into a shit show.
So unlike the previous board, the idea is truly to weed out the trolls and make this a more good-natured forum where ball busting is commonplace but threads don't turn ugly. Of course in order to achieve that we need everyone to be on board with it.
As for the OP, I saw the title and knew it wasn't something I'd be interested in. I don't however think of the OP is a troll. I think his post is far-fetched, but not any more than something Dave Gettleman may have said.
So the idea of attacking him as a response to his OP was not very useful in making for good a good thread. I would much rather see people challenge his opinion with something substantive or just ignore him. We've all read through enough of the BS, and while I know a thread like this may be a highlight for our friend Big Jeep, I'd rather see us elevate the level of conversation instead.
Sorry, but I disagree. The one's accused of being dicks and getting "punished" have been around a long time and can recognize trolls almost immediately. We should be allowed to flame them and expose them so everyone knows. Trolls turn threads into "shit shows", not those of us trying to protect the integrity of the boards. And, ball busting is not attacking or flaming. I've busted Bid Red's balls plenty, yet we still remain friendly.
So this is where we have a difference of opinion. I think those like yourself may fail to realize how your flaming is perceived by others, and we actually address flaming in our rules section.
3. Do not attack other posters personally. Do not bring up their name in posts they have no involvement in. Refrain from consistently responding to their posts with no merit other than to belittle them. In short, do not make a poster a target. If you cannot be civil when replying, then do not reply. Treat everyone with respect, even if you do not agree with their opinions. 6. No flaming. Flaming is posting in a hostile and insulting manner. Anyone who repeatedly flames others will find their posts deleted and they will be banned from this site. Members should not expect warnings prior to being banned for this type of behavior.
With that said, it's certainly fair to say that long time members are given a lot of leeway, but it's not as if things go unnoticed. We get reports all the time about things that do not phase us in anyway, or that accuse others of breaking rules while they themselves are just as guilty. The reality we all perceive things differently.
The person that attacked you about medical issues reported you for making a derogatory comment about his wife. And don't forget that all of us don't know the history between posters and don't really care about that. If I enter into a thread that's turned into a pissing contests, I leave. I have no interest in that. I'll let those who wish to participate have fun and then if it gets reported, I'll get involved if one of the other mods hasn't already beat me to it.
I know some of you like to think of this place as either "the mod's board" or my board, but I don't look at it that way. It's all of ours, and it's up to all of us to make the best of it - or not.
My idea was to make this a friendlier place than the old board and I still believe in that. While the old board's statistics claimed there were 150k members there, that was totally bogus. There were only 700 or so active members in the last few years. The member count was inflated by their board upgrade attempts. I remember seeing there were like 20 accounts named Roosevelt over there. The reason I say this is because there aren't that many of us who want to participate in this fashion. So I have no problem removing anyone who's a prick and clear troll, but I don't think it's a good idea to get rid of guys for being provocative.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 12:59:05 GMT -5
Sorry, but I disagree. The one's accused of being dicks and getting "punished" have been around a long time and can recognize trolls almost immediately. We should be allowed to flame them and expose them so everyone knows. Trolls turn threads into "shit shows", not those of us trying to protect the integrity of the boards. And, ball busting is not attacking or flaming. I've busted Bid Red's balls plenty, yet we still remain friendly.
So this is where we have a difference of opinion. I think those like yourself may fail to realize how your flaming is perceived by others, and we actually address flaming in our rules section.
3. Do not attack other posters personally. Do not bring up their name in posts they have no involvement in. Refrain from consistently responding to their posts with no merit other than to belittle them. In short, do not make a poster a target. If you cannot be civil when replying, then do not reply. Treat everyone with respect, even if you do not agree with their opinions. 6. No flaming. Flaming is posting in a hostile and insulting manner. Anyone who repeatedly flames others will find their posts deleted and they will be banned from this site. Members should not expect warnings prior to being banned for this type of behavior.
With that said, it's certainly fair to say that long time members are given a lot of leeway, but it's not as if things go unnoticed. We get reports all the time about things that do not phase us in anyway, or that accuse others of breaking rules while they themselves are just as guilty. The reality we all perceive things differently.
The person that attacked you about medical issues reported you for making a derogatory comment about his wife. And don't forget that all of us don't know the history between posters and don't really care about that. If I enter into a thread that's turned into a pissing contests, I leave. I have no interest in that. I'll let those who wish to participate have fun and then if it gets reported, I'll get involved if one of the other mods hasn't already beat me to it.
I know some of you like to think of this place as either "the mod's board" or my board, but I don't look at it that way. It's all of ours, and it's up to all of us to make the best of it - or not.
My idea was to make this a friendlier place than the old board and I still believe in that. While the old board's statistics claimed there were 150k members there, that was totally bogus. There were only 700 or so active members in the last few years. The member count was inflated by their board upgrade attempts. I remember seeing there were like 20 accounts named Roosevelt over there. The reason I say this is because there aren't that many of us who want to participate in this fashion. So I have no problem removing anyone who's a prick and clear troll, but I don't think it's a good idea to get rid of guys for being provocative.
I understand your policy.....I just don't agree with it when it comes to obvious trolls
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Post by TEM on Nov 14, 2019 16:48:47 GMT -5
l know QBs in their rookie year that throw 4 TDs in a game always just fetch a 3rd round pick . That is why Shurmur had him throw that 4 TD pass because he wants to get that 3rd round pick for him. The logic on this board is inline with the Manhattan project. Hey man don't take it personally. You're placing a lot or emphasis on a 4TD game where he also turned it over and the team loss. Overall his body work has been mixed, and he was widely considered to be drafted much higher than his grade. He was not nearly as highly scouted as Rosen. My honest assessment is that he Garner's a 3rd round pick in a trade. If giants can get a first round top 10 because of a 4TD game (while skipping the other considerations) then by all means I say jump on it. Why would you trade away the rookie QB after game 8? Are you suggesting after 8 games the assessment of a rookie QB is definitive and warrants a trade. Is that what you are saying? If you are that sure of what the trajectory of a rookie QB's career will be with only a total of 4 hours on an NFL field . That's better than any FO is. I wish I had that kind of Insight , It takes me 30 games to gauge overall prognosis.
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 14, 2019 19:06:07 GMT -5
Hey man don't take it personally. You're placing a lot or emphasis on a 4TD game where he also turned it over and the team loss. Overall his body work has been mixed, and he was widely considered to be drafted much higher than his grade. He was not nearly as highly scouted as Rosen. My honest assessment is that he Garner's a 3rd round pick in a trade. If giants can get a first round top 10 because of a 4TD game (while skipping the other considerations) then by all means I say jump on it. Why would you trade away the rookie QB after game 8? Are you suggesting after 8 games the assessment of a rookie QB is definitive and warrants a trade. Is that what you are saying? If you are that sure of what the trajectory of a rookie QB's career will be with only a total of 4 hours on an NFL field . That's better than any FO is. I wish I had that kind of Insight , It takes me 30 games to gauge overall prognosis. Were passed trade deadline so my comment could not apply to the present. It relates to next years draft and if he looks the same then as he does no, and we're drafting in top 3ish territory, and someone offers a 3rd for him. You bet I'd draft a top QB prospect and trade him. Funny though you challenge me for passing judgement after 8 games (which I didn't) , but you fail to challenge those who claim hes the future for his 4 TD game against the Jets.
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Post by TEM on Nov 14, 2019 19:21:25 GMT -5
Why would you trade away the rookie QB after game 8? Are you suggesting after 8 games the assessment of a rookie QB is definitive and warrants a trade. Is that what you are saying? If you are that sure of what the trajectory of a rookie QB's career will be with only a total of 4 hours on an NFL field . That's better than any FO is. I wish I had that kind of Insight , It takes me 30 games to gauge overall prognosis. Were passed trade deadline so my comment could not apply to the present. It relates to next years draft and if he looks the same then as he does no, and we're drafting in top 3ish territory, and someone offers a 3rd for him. You bet I'd draft a top QB prospect and trade him. Funny though you challenge me for passing judgement after 8 games (which I didn't) , but you fail to challenge those who claim hes the future for his 4 TD game against the Jets. Why would I challenge that. And what do you do if that top QB prospect also plays as a rookie? Wait I think I got the answer. Trade him away for a 3rd round pick. How about we skip the incidentals and just trade away or 1st round pick for a 3rd round pick . SMFH
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Post by Dogecoin on Nov 14, 2019 21:28:39 GMT -5
Were passed trade deadline so my comment could not apply to the present. It relates to next years draft and if he looks the same then as he does no, and we're drafting in top 3ish territory, and someone offers a 3rd for him. You bet I'd draft a top QB prospect and trade him. Funny though you challenge me for passing judgement after 8 games (which I didn't) , but you fail to challenge those who claim hes the future for his 4 TD game against the Jets. Why would I challenge that. And what do you do if that top QB prospect also plays as a rookie? Wait I think I got the answer. Trade him away for a 3rd round pick. How about we skip the incidentals and just trade away or 1st round pick for a 3rd round pick . SMFH Like the Cardinals did for a much better QB and never looked back on the guy they traded who's riding the bench behind a career backup.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 22:41:07 GMT -5
Why would you trade away the rookie QB after game 8? Are you suggesting after 8 games the assessment of a rookie QB is definitive and warrants a trade. Is that what you are saying? If you are that sure of what the trajectory of a rookie QB's career will be with only a total of 4 hours on an NFL field . That's better than any FO is. I wish I had that kind of Insight , It takes me 30 games to gauge overall prognosis. Were passed trade deadline so my comment could not apply to the present. It relates to next years draft and if he looks the same then as he does no, and we're drafting in top 3ish territory, and someone offers a 3rd for him. You bet I'd draft a top QB prospect and trade him. Funny though you challenge me for passing judgement after 8 games (which I didn't) , but you fail to challenge those who claim hes the future for his 4 TD game against the Jets. First paragraph...asinine. SO thankful you're not in charge of anything. Second paragraph....I said he was the future before we even drafted him. You know who else did? The Giants. Generally, when drafting your next franchise QB, you SHOULD believe that he will be the future. And so far, he is playing FAR better than Eli did in his rookie season. There is A LOT of things wrong with this team right now, Daniel Jones isn't one of them. Fix his o-line and the fumbles drop dramatically.
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Post by TEM on Nov 15, 2019 7:21:25 GMT -5
Why would I challenge that. And what do you do if that top QB prospect also plays as a rookie? Wait I think I got the answer. Trade him away for a 3rd round pick. How about we skip the incidentals and just trade away or 1st round pick for a 3rd round pick . SMFH Like the Cardinals did for a much better QB and never looked back on the guy they traded who's riding the bench behind a career backup. So that is what every team should do. Brilliant
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 9:43:01 GMT -5
Were passed trade deadline so my comment could not apply to the present. It relates to next years draft and if he looks the same then as he does no, and we're drafting in top 3ish territory, and someone offers a 3rd for him. You bet I'd draft a top QB prospect and trade him. Funny though you challenge me for passing judgement after 8 games (which I didn't) , but you fail to challenge those who claim hes the future for his 4 TD game against the Jets. First paragraph...asinine. SO thankful you're not in charge of anything. Second paragraph....I said he was the future before we even drafted him. You know who else did? The Giants. Generally, when drafting your next franchise QB, you SHOULD believe that he will be the future. And so far, he is playing FAR better than Eli did in his rookie season. There is A LOT of things wrong with this team right now, Daniel Jones isn't one of them. Fix his o-line and the fumbles drop dramatically. **crickets**
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 15, 2019 10:11:33 GMT -5
First paragraph...asinine. SO thankful you're not in charge of anything. Second paragraph....I said he was the future before we even drafted him. You know who else did? The Giants. Generally, when drafting your next franchise QB, you SHOULD believe that he will be the future. And so far, he is playing FAR better than Eli did in his rookie season. There is A LOT of things wrong with this team right now, Daniel Jones isn't one of them. Fix his o-line and the fumbles drop dramatically. **crickets** Lots of them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 19:31:16 GMT -5
It's done...no team will draft him in any round. That is a career ender, sadly. Let the debate begin again as to college players pulling themselves out ...this kid just lost a fortune by running up a score.
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Post by TEM on Nov 16, 2019 20:23:15 GMT -5
It's done...no team will draft him in any round. That is a career ender, sadly. Let the debate begin again as to college players pulling themselves out ...this kid just lost a fortune by running up a score. No No No We can draft him with our 1st round pick and in 2021 deal him for a 3rd. According to the cat with glass that is the way , what you do if the rookie QB plays like a rookie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 21:37:41 GMT -5
It's done...no team will draft him in any round. That is a career ender, sadly. Let the debate begin again as to college players pulling themselves out ...this kid just lost a fortune by running up a score. No No No We can draft him with our 1st round pick and in 2021 deal him for a 3rd. According to the cat with glass that is the way what you do if the rookie QB plays like a rookie. Lawrence is again slinging it like Johnny U on roids...a good question might be if the Giants were able to daft a QB touched by God, would they give up on the Jones experiment?
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Post by TEM on Nov 17, 2019 8:44:11 GMT -5
No No No We can draft him with our 1st round pick and in 2021 deal him for a 3rd. According to the cat with glass that is the way what you do if the rookie QB plays like a rookie. Lawrence is again slinging it like Johnny U on roids...a good question might be if the Giants were able to daft a QB touched by God, would they give up on the Jones experiment? No I would never see that happening especially, with some of the flashes of what he can be are evident.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 11:58:47 GMT -5
Lawrence is again slinging it like Johnny U on roids...a good question might be if the Giants were able to daft a QB touched by God, would they give up on the Jones experiment? No I would never see that happening especially, with some of the flashes of what he can be are evident. Hope you are correct...if he turns out to be a accurate average armed Pennington while Lawrence becomes the old Manning with an Elway arm, that hell will be with us forever... I understand we now have our QB, and he has shown some good things, and the OL seems to be the most important now need to make him succeed ...but having the number 1 next year with a Lawrence sitting there will at least bring up a fair debate.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 7, 2019 7:15:10 GMT -5
I would take the bet that if Gettleman is fired after this season, then I would leave the boards for good. It would mean that I don't have any idea what I'm talking about and should refrain from ever giving my opinions here. Ideally, what I would like to happen is that he takes the bet, DG ISN'T fired after 1 year into a rebuild and the board has one less troll. I agree and I would add that the (Mara's and Tish) will give Shurmur two years with the young QB before firing,again I don't think Bettcher gets that .......right or wrong. Hmmm
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 7, 2019 17:17:32 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, Jake Fromm went from hero to zero this year. What a bad year for him.
This makes me worry about Burrow too. One year wonders. I like my QBs to have sustained success over multiple years.
LSU is loaded this year. Much like Haskins OSU team was in his one year wonder.
That said I think Burrow will be a solid starter in the NFL.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 7, 2019 17:26:27 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, Jake Fromm went from hero to zero this year. What a bad year for him. This makes me worry about Burrow too. One year wonders. I like my QBs to have sustained success over multiple years. LSU is loaded this year. Much like Haskins OSU team was in his one year wonder. That said I think Burrow will be a solid starter in the NFL. And he just went down with an ugly looking ankle injury.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2019 17:28:19 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, Jake Fromm went from hero to zero this year. What a bad year for him. This makes me worry about Burrow too. One year wonders. I like my QBs to have sustained success over multiple years. LSU is loaded this year. Much like Haskins OSU team was in his one year wonder. That said I think Burrow will be a solid starter in the NFL. And he just went down with an ugly looking ankle injury. Uuurgh
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 7, 2019 17:36:42 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, Jake Fromm went from hero to zero this year. What a bad year for him. This makes me worry about Burrow too. One year wonders. I like my QBs to have sustained success over multiple years. LSU is loaded this year. Much like Haskins OSU team was in his one year wonder. That said I think Burrow will be a solid starter in the NFL. And he just went down with an ugly looking ankle injury. Our pick would be so much more valuable if Tua was healthy and Fromm was 2018 Fromm.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 7, 2019 17:37:05 GMT -5
And he just went down with an ugly looking ankle injury. Uuurgh Looks like he's going to make a go of it with a ton of tape on the ankle.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 7, 2019 17:38:10 GMT -5
And he just went down with an ugly looking ankle injury. Our pick would be so much more valuable if Tua was healthy and Fromm was 2018 Fromm. Assuming we're picking in the top 2 or 3, I'd take Young without thinking twice about it. Wonder if DG will even take calls?
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2019 18:02:13 GMT -5
Our pick would be so much more valuable if Tua was healthy and Fromm was 2018 Fromm. Assuming we're picking in the top 2 or 3, I'd take Young without thinking twice about it. Wonder if DG will even take calls? Unless a team picking right behind us(Miami)that is desperate for QB calls in wouldn't take calls
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 7, 2019 19:05:32 GMT -5
Our pick would be so much more valuable if Tua was healthy and Fromm was 2018 Fromm. Assuming we're picking in the top 2 or 3, I'd take Young without thinking twice about it. Wonder if DG will even take calls? Always take calls. You never know how desperate some teams can be.
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