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Post by Nite on Nov 11, 2019 18:29:23 GMT -5
OMG trade Jones only 7 games into his career? And with 2 games with 4 TDs? 65% completion - almost no weapons and NO running game...and with the mountain of holes on this team...wow thats seriously stupid... It’s the turnovers. All those stats are great but completely offset by his massive rate of turnovers. Jones turnover rate is unprecedented at this point....averaging three a game. That cannot be tolerated. If Belichek was the Giant’s coach, Jones would be back on the bench and Eli starting again. 7 games...impatient eh? If it was Belicheck he would have ALREADY corrected that problem..
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Post by southerner on Nov 11, 2019 18:39:13 GMT -5
At that time we also had a head coach that was an established winner on college and pro level and the upside with Eli was far higher than what you get with Danny Dimes. So does that mean we should get rid of DJ after one season?? No that means the Giants should look at the QBs coming out this year and do an evaluation versus Jones. If one or some of them come out higher, then why not draft a QB? Best player available, right?
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Post by Zimonami on Nov 11, 2019 18:50:34 GMT -5
Where lies the problem. Instead of seeing the root cause of where some of the problems are. It is not the individual calling a duck a duck. It is allowing an environment where the duck is comfortable in stirring up an response to stir S### up. Seems to me that this board is being overrun with idiocy and the one's trying to keep it in check are being pushed out. If that's what you guys want, then fine. It's your board. I will just be here far less now. I'm sure that dullards will be happy to hear that. They can now say any stupid thing on their minds without fear of being called out for it. Great environment. If you leave, or stay away too often, idiocy wins. I smile anymore, and take it with a grain of salt. "They know not what they do." Seriously... this board needs you... don't let them win.
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Post by jaxnygmen on Nov 11, 2019 19:10:56 GMT -5
The Giants definitely didn’t expect to be as bad as they are, but they could easily be drafting second in the upcoming draft. I like Daniel Jones but he turnover problem is ridiculous. Will the Giants opt to choose one of the many QBs coming out with their first pick? QBs like Jones that turn the ball over three times a game will NEVER be real winners. Can this be fixed.....at this point I am not sure and the new GM may want to move on anyway. The Giants could get get a late third or early 4th trading Jones.....Patriots would do that deal. Giants should have waited a year before drafting a QB. This years class is by far better than last years, Burrow, Tua are both better than Jones. Had the giants waited we quite possibly would have had the linebacker we have been hoping for the pas ten years.
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Post by SemperFi on Nov 11, 2019 19:12:27 GMT -5
OMG trade Jones only 7 games into his career? And with 2 games with 4 TDs? 65% completion - almost no weapons and NO running game...and with the mountain of holes on this team...wow thats seriously stupid... It’s the turnovers. All those stats are great but completely offset by his massive rate of turnovers. Jones turnover rate is unprecedented at this point....averaging three a game. That cannot be tolerated. If Belichek was the Giant’s coach, Jones would be back on the bench and Eli starting again. ENOUGH!!! enough. This is specious reasoning and you keep on repeating it like some kind of a holy mantra. You entirely ignore the fact that he is not being protected. You just ignore it like its nothing at all. It the difference, you dumb rock! What a waste of time, reading your crap!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 19:18:46 GMT -5
It’s the turnovers. All those stats are great but completely offset by his massive rate of turnovers. Jones turnover rate is unprecedented at this point....averaging three a game. That cannot be tolerated. If Belichek was the Giant’s coach, Jones would be back on the bench and Eli starting again. ENOUGH!!! enough. This is specious reasoning and you keep on repeating it like some kind of a holy mantra. You entirely ignore the fact that he is not being protected. You just ignore it like its nothing at all. It the difference, you dumb rock! What a waste of time, reading your crap! uh oh. There will be a nicely worded demerit in your inbox soon.
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Post by smitty on Nov 11, 2019 19:19:28 GMT -5
Drafting another QB in the first round next year is organizational suicide.
In fact, we’d better not draft a QB in any round next year. This franchise is becoming a living parody of ineptitude.
The Giants decided on an Eli clone, sacrificing arm pedigree for an upgrade in mobility. They took him at 6 because they did not think that he would drop to 17. You have several years to build around him, not start over from square one.
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Post by SemperFi on Nov 11, 2019 19:32:02 GMT -5
ENOUGH!!! enough. This is specious reasoning and you keep on repeating it like some kind of a holy mantra. You entirely ignore the fact that he is not being protected. You just ignore it like its nothing at all. It the difference, you dumb rock! What a waste of time, reading your crap! uh oh. There will be a nicely worded demerit in your inbox soon. What the hell! Life is too short to suffer fools lightly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 19:32:16 GMT -5
Seems to me that this board is being overrun with idiocy and the one's trying to keep it in check are being pushed out. If that's what you guys want, then fine. It's your board. I will just be here far less now. I'm sure that dullards will be happy to hear that. They can now say any stupid thing on their minds without fear of being called out for it. Great environment. If you leave, or stay away too often, idiocy wins. I smile anymore, and take it with a grain of salt. "They know not what they do." Seriously... this board needs you... don't let them win. If I stay they win too. I'm not very tolerant of trolls or stupidity. The board is infested with them, including this thread. I'm more likely to myself banned than I am to quit. The problem is, everyone thinks because it's their "opinion/s" that it is above ridicule. It is not. Edit......lol, I just noticed the 37% scale on my profile. I guess the idea is to publicly shame me for public shaming, Clever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 19:32:43 GMT -5
uh oh. There will be a nicely worded demerit in your inbox soon. What the hell! Life is too short to suffer fools lightly. I could not agree more.
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Post by smitty on Nov 11, 2019 19:39:19 GMT -5
If you leave, or stay away too often, idiocy wins. I smile anymore, and take it with a grain of salt. "They know not what they do." Seriously... this board needs you... don't let them win. If I stay they win too. I'm not very tolerant of trolls or stupidity. The board is infested with them, including this thread. I'm more likely to myself banned than I am to quit. The problem is, everyone thinks because it's their "opinion/s" that it is above ridicule. It is not. Why allow the OP to get a rise out of you. It was a speculative opinion, and in my opinion, a rather silly one. Does anyone actually believe that DG will acknowledge he made a mistake with DJ by drafting another QB next year? Jones has some noticeable upside and some ball control issues, but you try to build a team around him. They have several years to do that and a giant boat load of needs. It was, is, and always will be, a team game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 19:45:09 GMT -5
If I stay they win too. I'm not very tolerant of trolls or stupidity. The board is infested with them, including this thread. I'm more likely to myself banned than I am to quit. The problem is, everyone thinks because it's their "opinion/s" that it is above ridicule. It is not. Why allow the OP to get a rise out of you. It was a speculative opinion, and in my opinion, a rather silly one. Does anyone actually believe that DG will acknowledge he made a mistake with DJ by drafting another QB next year? Jones has some noticeable upside and some ball control issues, but you try to build a team around him. They have several years to do that and a giant boat load of needs. It was, is, and always will be, a team game. Some actually DO believe it. It's stupid idea and should be treated as such.
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Post by smitty on Nov 11, 2019 19:47:13 GMT -5
Why allow the OP to get a rise out of you. It was a speculative opinion, and in my opinion, a rather silly one. Does anyone actually believe that DG will acknowledge he made a mistake with DJ by drafting another QB next year? Jones has some noticeable upside and some ball control issues, but you try to build a team around him. They have several years to do that and a giant boat load of needs. It was, is, and always will be, a team game. Some actually DO believe it. It's stupid idea and should be treated as such. I agree that it is quite possibly the worst idea ever, but their are Eli loyalists who are now enjoying their trolling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 19:51:46 GMT -5
If I stay they win too. I'm not very tolerant of trolls or stupidity. The board is infested with them, including this thread. I'm more likely to myself banned than I am to quit. The problem is, everyone thinks because it's their "opinion/s" that it is above ridicule. It is not. At least to me there is a difference,yes there is the football challenged who honestly just don't know how the game is played and I mean the NFL game is played ,then as you say there is the dark sided trolls of ignorance who live to think they have more knowledge about a sport then the actual professionals of that sport . Fbomb you and I have had this discussion before,I am not above ridicule .....I have been married 40 years , I get it daily ,enough said! I've said it before opinions ar great and everyone differs but many of the Debbie downers here think they're Madden GM's and can run a real NFL franchise and to disagree with them is "blasphemy"! Which is why I believe my ridiculing should be graded on a scale. Simply not knowing something shouldn't come with shaming and should be met with a eagerness to help. Blatant stupidity and trolling should be met with scorn and ridicule.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 11, 2019 20:17:02 GMT -5
Some actually DO believe it. It's stupid idea and should be treated as such. I agree that it is quite possibly the worst idea ever, but their are Eli loyalists who are now enjoying their trolling. Except this poster is nowhere near an Eli Loyalist
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 11, 2019 20:33:07 GMT -5
The fact is that we are seeing that the majority of the issues with this offense, and yes Eli, was the shit OL that unfortunately is still shit. I'm not saying that we should not have changed QBs, but you don't have to be a genius to see the issue really wasn't all Eli and it isn't Jones. It's the garbage in front of them.
Don't get me wrong, I still think that Eli's lack of mobility was detrimental to the offense, and he was still a bit skittish and jumpy in the pocket due to 5-6 years of playing behind a poor OL, but he didn't just forget how to play QB. And honestly he wasn't turning the ball over as much as Jones is either. That is probably due to his being more aware of the rush and getting the ball out to his check downs. Jones is holding it longer and turning it over more because he isn't scarred by year after year of playing behind this line.
If we don't fix it, eventually it will affect him too. Give him a good OL and he will be fine.
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Post by desertash on Nov 11, 2019 21:34:11 GMT -5
Drafting another QB in the first round next year is organizational suicide. In fact, we’d better not draft a QB in any round next year. This franchise is becoming a living parody of ineptitude. The Giants decided on an Eli clone, sacrificing arm pedigree for an upgrade in mobility. They took him at 6 because they did not think that he would drop to 17. You have several years to build around him, not start over from square one. Current champions of the organizational-auto-asphyxiation being the Cardinals, however whom may have pulled off the Flip This QB with the Mighty Mite after drafting Drew (ick) Rosen. Jones looks light years better than Rosen already, outside of the intermittent (yet alarming) Rob Johnson-esque pocket awareness.
That said if DJ continues (I have a hard time believing he is honestly this bad with the rock) to put the ball on the ground through to the middle of the 2020 season it's not outside the realm of possibility that the following draft has us looking. Daniel Jones will get at least that much rope.
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Post by giants38 on Nov 11, 2019 22:42:16 GMT -5
"Scott Barrett from Pro Football Focus indicated that those numbers were the fourth-most pressured passing yards by any quarterback in any regular season game in PFF’s history, a timeframe that spans 2007 through 2019. During that decade-plus, there are 1,674 instances of a QB attempting at least 12 pressured pass attempts in a game, and here is the list of quarterbacks who finished with a perfect passer rating:
Daniel Jones.
That’s it. He’s the list."
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Post by TEM on Nov 12, 2019 7:21:20 GMT -5
Another get rid of the player thread by the OP Its getting ridiculous now. DJ hasn't played a full year yet and now let's get rid of him. Was the OP saying the same thing about Eli in 04?? My goodness... The only player he did not said that about was John Jerry.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 7:36:52 GMT -5
At least to me there is a difference,yes there is the football challenged who honestly just don't know how the game is played and I mean the NFL game is played ,then as you say there is the dark sided trolls of ignorance who live to think they have more knowledge about a sport then the actual professionals of that sport . Fbomb you and I have had this discussion before,I am not above ridicule .....I have been married 40 years , I get it daily ,enough said! I've said it before opinions ar great and everyone differs but many of the Debbie downers here think they're Madden GM's and can run a real NFL franchise and to disagree with them is "blasphemy"! Which is why I believe my ridiculing should be graded on a scale. Simply not knowing something shouldn't come with shaming and should be met with a eagerness to help. Blatant stupidity and trolling should be met with scorn and ridicule. I believe that we are providing a service by flaming the posters who post ridiculous nonsense. Assuming that the views they espouse in their personal lives are just as absurd and lacking in logic, I’m guessing that people run in the other direction when they see these posters coming. Sadly, these posters are left to wonder why they are such outcasts because the people around them practice avoidance rather than telling the poster straight-up that listening to his/her idiotic views on life is unbearable. By flaming these posters, we are injecting some much-needed honesty into their lives. Maybe this will encourage some self-reflection that causes them to ask themselves the age-old question: Am I an actual idiot? If they answer that question honestly, this could lead to self-improvement and a corresponding improvement in their personal relationships. You’re welcome.
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Post by southerner on Nov 12, 2019 7:43:08 GMT -5
Drafting another QB in the first round next year is organizational suicide. In fact, we’d better not draft a QB in any round next year. This franchise is becoming a living parody of ineptitude. The Giants decided on an Eli clone, sacrificing arm pedigree for an upgrade in mobility. They took him at 6 because they did not think that he would drop to 17. You have several years to build around him, not start over from square one. Hate to say it but Reese brought the Giants to parody status years ago and it will not be easy or pleasant to dig out of that very deep hole.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 7:59:54 GMT -5
What proof do you have? You're assuming ,what makes you think BB would have benched Eli. again an assumption. Proof is clear. He replaced Brady with their rookie QB during a blow out with the Pats way ahead. The kid threw one interception and BB immediately put Brady back in. Belichek does not tolerate turnovers and as many as Jones has would never occur under Belichek.......never. If Bellichek were his coach, would Eli have the issues he’d had throughout the years?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 8:00:24 GMT -5
At that time we also had a head coach that was an established winner on college and pro level and the upside with Eli was far higher than what you get with Danny Dimes. Yeah, I don’t see that at all. I see no reason why Jones’ ceiling would not be at least equal to Eli’s.... Eli made improvement, Jones hasn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 8:04:03 GMT -5
At that time we also had a head coach that was an established winner on college and pro level and the upside with Eli was far higher than what you get with Danny Dimes. College level .........that's a stretch .His record in Coll...41-39 but I get the point. Coughlin did some great things for that BC Program and Coughlin was a big part of putting Jacksonville together. We don’t have that type of football mind with Shurmer.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 8:29:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I don’t see that at all. I see no reason why Jones’ ceiling would not be at least equal to Eli’s.... Eli made improvement, Jones hasn’t.
WTF are you talking about? This guy has looked light years better than Eli did his first year. Light years
Eli has had 2 games in his career with over 300 yards passing, 4TD's or more and 0 INT's. Jones has done this twice in the last 3 games.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 12, 2019 8:36:14 GMT -5
some of you guys are amusing.....
as far as the OP there is ZERO way the Giants pick a QB in next years draft in the first round.....unless Jones gets a career ending injury.
its a ridiculous thought all together but ridiculous thoughts are what this board is all about
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 12, 2019 8:59:20 GMT -5
some of you guys are amusing..... as far as the OP there is ZERO way the Giants pick a QB in next years draft in the first round.....unless Jones gets a career ending injury. its a ridiculous thought all together but ridiculous thoughts are what this board is all aboutOnly way its possible is if the HC and GM are also gone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 9:07:31 GMT -5
If Bellichek were his coach, would Eli have the issues he’d had throughout the years? .............he would have had an O line. Just imagine what we would have if Bellichek were here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 9:12:55 GMT -5
Eli made improvement, Jones hasn’t. WTF are you talking about? This guy has looked light years better than Eli did his first year. Light years Jones hasn’t made any improvement on the turnovers.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 12, 2019 9:20:20 GMT -5
some of you guys are amusing..... as far as the OP there is ZERO way the Giants pick a QB in next years draft in the first round.....unless Jones gets a career ending injury. its a ridiculous thought all together but ridiculous thoughts are what this board is all aboutOnly way its possible is if the HC and GM are also gone. The way it’s going this is a possibility at some point. You can only lose so much before the owner is forced to make changes. See Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese. Why I think Jones will be safe either way is the next GM will be Kevin Abrams. He’s been part of the Giants for 21 years, right now he’s Vice President of football operations. If I were to bet they’re getting him ready to be Gettlemans successor. And like Reese and Gettleman they both had long tenures to the franchise. As for the head coach, he would have to be onboard with having Jones as the QB. So the next head coach if he’s not ok with that will pretty much disqualify himself from the position. And as we all know most head coaches want there guy at the most important position. If they’re going down with the ship or sail to the sunrise they want there guy leading the way. A lot of things are going to happen sooner than later. This season like the one before is making ownership have to think about what’s best for the franchises future. I mean what owner in there right mind is ok with this product?
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