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Post by Kruunch on Nov 12, 2019 11:02:41 GMT -5
The hot takes on these boards are off the chain. "Should the giants draft another QB with their first pick" and "should we trade Saquon Barkley" are two of the most ridiculous discussions I have seen on this board or the old official one. It’s largely the result of consequence free football management. The virtual teams I build with my erector set in my room are a million times better than any team any football executive has ever built to play on any actual field. Can someone please point in the direction of who started the term “hot takes” on here? I want to throw pocket change at them..
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 12, 2019 11:04:52 GMT -5
The hot takes on these boards are off the chain. "Should the giants draft another QB with their first pick" and "should we trade Saquon Barkley" are two of the most ridiculous discussions I have seen on this board or the old official one. It’s largely the result of consequence free football management. The virtual teams I build with my erector set in my room are a million times better than any team any football executive has ever built to play on any actual field. Wow, an Erector Set reference. I gotta say, if you can build an entire football team with it, you should work for NASA.
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Post by Miked1958 on Nov 12, 2019 11:07:14 GMT -5
This is hot take city man. Just fix the Oline. Done. Thought they did that last offseason lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 11:08:40 GMT -5
This is hot take city man. Just fix the Oline. Done. Thought they did that last offseason lol They did just like the way Reese did except it was with Getty bragging that he was going to get it done..
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Post by Miked1958 on Nov 12, 2019 11:19:43 GMT -5
The hot takes on these boards are off the chain. "Should the giants draft another QB with their first pick" and "should we trade Saquon Barkley" are two of the most ridiculous discussions I have seen on this board or the old official one. Not really fair to Jonnes that people are in his face as soon as he receives the snap. Thats a lot of the problem with his monster turnover issues. Not all of it but a big part of it. IMO if the have 1st or 2nd pick they need to draft Chase Young to start the process to getting this D to be a feared one again. If they fix the line and jones is still turning it over next year at an alarming rate then maybe you see whos available in the 2021 draft. Having 2 potential franchise QBs doubles your chances is their argument in those threads you mention. Their will be 4+ good qbs available in 2020 draft. But to me you cant ignore the flashes of brilliance Jones has showed. He just needs more time so you take Young. As far as Barkley i just think its a combo of him coming back to early from his HAS injury and playing for a losing team, plus running behind a line that lets guys in backfield almost before he receives the ball. Sort takes the fight out of you. Now granted in those the game before he got hurt and in the game he got hurt prior to injury he looked the same. 2 to 3 yard losses or no gain so something is drastically different then last year when he played behind an arguably worse line and did great
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 12, 2019 11:32:21 GMT -5
It’s largely the result of consequence free football management. The virtual teams I build with my erector set in my room are a million times better than any team any football executive has ever built to play on any actual field. Wow, an Erector Set reference. I gotta say, if you can build an entire football team with it, you should work for NASA. I’ve been building Super Bowl winning teams with mine every year for the past 35 years. It never fails.
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 12, 2019 12:48:27 GMT -5
By a 56 jersey. It never goes bad. Isn't LT a registered sex offender now?
Either way I already spent the money on the jerseys I mentioned.
What he did or does off the field has zero bearing on what he accomplished on the field. Every Left Tackle in the NFL should be kissing his ass as to why they get paid the most on the OL. LT single handedly changed the way the LBer position is played. Greatest defensive player ever!
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 12, 2019 13:05:39 GMT -5
Isn't LT a registered sex offender now?
Either way I already spent the money on the jerseys I mentioned.
What he did or does off the field has zero bearing on what he accomplished on the field. Every Left Tackle in the NFL should be kissing his ass as to why they get paid the most on the OL. LT single handedly changed the way the LBer position is played. Greatest defensive player ever! You can make an argument that he’s the best player that has ever played. I keep hearing players of today are bigger and faster than players back then. I have yet to find a player who did what LT did every Sunday. Best player I have ever seen by a mile. Ask players, coaches who played and coached against him. They talk about him like he was a man walking on water. Ask his teammates, they all said he was the best teammate. What he did off the field has no bearing on the player. If we are going to judge people on what they do then cast your first stone.
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Post by thetruth on Nov 12, 2019 13:19:51 GMT -5
Yeah, the trade deadline has passed but here is an interesting thought. Trade Barkley because he's not good enough to overcome a bad OL.... I don't recall Barry Sanders having great OL and I recall him routinely turning nothing into something. Barkley did that rookie season and now I see it less and less each game. I see no difference when Wayne Gallman was on the field than when Barkley was on the field. If we aren't going to change the coaching staff, then move Barkley while he still has first round value. He is too good for this crap show. This is not about giving up on Barkley, it's about giving up on Shurmur....just to be clear. Quentin Nelson would have looked nice in Blue for the next 12-15 years. We can surely enjoy Saquon for a few more years, though.
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Post by lt56 on Nov 12, 2019 13:35:04 GMT -5
NO! You build around Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley
The Offensive Line must be Fixed. I would only keep Will Hernandez and Kevin Zeitler but the rest can GO!
They should shut Barkley down for the rest of the season immediately. They should look for another GOOD Running Back though to rotate with Barkley. Maybe Gallman is that guy if the fix the Line who knows. I LOVE the way the Vikings using Dalvin Cook and how they rotate him with Alexander Mattison and it is literally no Drop Off what so ever. Vikings don't have a fancy big name start studded Offensive Line like the Cowboys either. They use that Gary Kubiak Zone Blocking Scheme and Cook is having a huge break out year because of that Scheme plus also he is a beast and he is finally healthy.
Having a Dominating Defense helps also, they keep the games close and it allows the Vikings to stay with their Gameplan and Run the ball with Cook and Mattison
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Post by bluebuddha on Nov 12, 2019 13:59:25 GMT -5
Isn't LT a registered sex offender now?
Either way I already spent the money on the jerseys I mentioned.
What he did or does off the field has zero bearing on what he accomplished on the field. Every Left Tackle in the NFL should be kissing his ass as to why they get paid the most on the OL. LT single handedly changed the way the LBer position is played. Greatest defensive player ever! Sorry you are butt-hurt man. He is the reason why I became a Giants fan. Doesn't mean I have to buy his Jersey for me or my son. I can still love a player for being a Giant but still be disappointed in his actions as human being.
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 12, 2019 17:13:44 GMT -5
What he did or does off the field has zero bearing on what he accomplished on the field. Every Left Tackle in the NFL should be kissing his ass as to why they get paid the most on the OL. LT single handedly changed the way the LBer position is played. Greatest defensive player ever! Sorry you are butt-hurt man. He is the reason why I became a Giants fan. Doesn't mean I have to buy his Jersey for me or my son. I can still love a player for being a Giant but still be disappointed in his actions as human being. Ah, another keyboard commando. Gotta love em. Where in my comment did I come off as being "butthurt"? As I said, I separate the man off the field from the player he was on the field, too bad you can't do the same. OJ Simpson is still one of the best RBs in the history of the NFL & if I was a Bills fan, & he was my favorite Bills player, I'd have bought his jersey to celebrate his play on the field, not for what he did off it.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 12, 2019 18:42:41 GMT -5
That was a well thought out rebuttal to his opinion. Great job there. Now posters have to take you seriously... Compared to the onslaught of trade this guy ,fire this guy ....................asinine post's I thought it was very tasteful and to the point. You thought...
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Post by TEM on Nov 12, 2019 20:21:24 GMT -5
This thread is as bad as the studio Moon Landings narrative
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 12, 2019 20:41:16 GMT -5
Yup, you should try it before you post ,it will work wonders for you My bad...
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 12, 2019 21:15:14 GMT -5
Even the great Barry Sanders lost his desire and he accomplished far more than Barkley. I feel bad for Barkley and this is PRECISELY the reason I didn't want him drafted in the first place. Barkley is a luxury item..... Drafting Barkley is like being homeless and going shopping for a King sized bed. The bed is nice and comfortable, but it looks real crappy when you're sleeping in a back alley. Barkley is a win now pick.....We need pieces to grow along side Jones. Now if we have a plan to address the OL, then keep him, if not, set him free. Barkley really isn't a luxury item. You need a feature back. Was Emmitt Smith a luxury item when Dallas drafted him in 1990? Their team had just gone through a 1-15 and 7-9 season. Emmitt Smith played in the era of the 1000 yard RB on every team that got a ton of touches. Teams passed waaaay less. Look at the Giants in that era. The RB dominated the offensive touches. Barkley plays in a RB by committee era. Giants have been doing this since Thunder and Lighting to great effect. We hadn't drafted a RB that high since the great Rodney Hampton and I don't think that was a top 10 pick. Saquad gotta give me McCaffrey stats to justify the #2 pick.
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 12, 2019 22:37:24 GMT -5
Emmitt Smith played in the era of the 1000 yard RB on every team that got a ton of touches. Teams passed waaaay less. Look at the Giants in that era. The RB dominated the offensive touches. Barkley plays in a RB by committee era. Giants have been doing this since Thunder and Lighting to great effect. We hadn't drafted a RB that high since the great Rodney Hampton and I don't think that was a top 10 pick. Saquad gotta give me McCaffrey stats to justify the #2 pick. Give Saquad a Carolina type OL & he will.
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Post by southerner on Nov 13, 2019 3:55:33 GMT -5
Emmitt Smith played in the era of the 1000 yard RB on every team that got a ton of touches. Teams passed waaaay less. Look at the Giants in that era. The RB dominated the offensive touches. Barkley plays in a RB by committee era. Giants have been doing this since Thunder and Lighting to great effect. We hadn't drafted a RB that high since the great Rodney Hampton and I don't think that was a top 10 pick. Saquad gotta give me McCaffrey stats to justify the #2 pick. Give Saquad a Carolina type OL & he will. Geez, I wish the Giants had a young Rodney Hampton now.....Great runner and pass blocker...not one dimensional.
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Post by southerner on Nov 13, 2019 4:56:10 GMT -5
Emmitt Smith played in the era of the 1000 yard RB on every team that got a ton of touches. Teams passed waaaay less. Look at the Giants in that era. The RB dominated the offensive touches. Barkley plays in a RB by committee era. Giants have been doing this since Thunder and Lighting to great effect. We hadn't drafted a RB that high since the great Rodney Hampton and I don't think that was a top 10 pick. Saquad gotta give me McCaffrey stats to justify the #2 pick. Give Saquad a Carolina type OL & he will. Sorry, Saquon will never be as good as McCaffrey. This is no knock on Saquon, he just isn’t anyway near as good as McCaffrey....plus McCaffrey can pass block and pick up blitzes.
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Post by jay051 on Nov 13, 2019 7:34:40 GMT -5
Give Saquad a Carolina type OL & he will. Sorry, Saquon will never be as good as McCaffrey. This is no knock on Saquon, he just isn’t anyway near as good as McCaffrey....plus McCaffrey can pass block and pick up blitzes. Lol. Put McCaffrey on this Giants roster and lets see him put up SB rookie numbers.
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Post by TEM on Nov 13, 2019 7:43:12 GMT -5
Sorry, Saquon will never be as good as McCaffrey. This is no knock on Saquon, he just isn’t anyway near as good as McCaffrey....plus McCaffrey can pass block and pick up blitzes. Lol. Put McCaffrey on this Giants roster and lets see him put up SB rookie numbers. Jay all he wants is an opportunity to bait a response . His nonsensical banter is for that exact reason.
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Post by southerner on Nov 13, 2019 8:10:47 GMT -5
Sorry, Saquon will never be as good as McCaffrey. This is no knock on Saquon, he just isn’t anyway near as good as McCaffrey....plus McCaffrey can pass block and pick up blitzes. Lol. Put McCaffrey on this Giants roster and lets see him put up SB rookie numbers. Sure, he would have gained more than 1 yard on 13 carries against the Jets, and Jones would have been hit about 3 to 4 less times as McCaffrey would have made the assigned blocks.
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Post by jay051 on Nov 13, 2019 8:56:50 GMT -5
Lol. Put McCaffrey on this Giants roster and lets see him put up SB rookie numbers. Sure, he would have gained more than 1 yard on 13 carries against the Jets, and Jones would have been hit about 3 to 4 less times as McCaffrey would have made the assigned blocks. So you are a game by game person to determine who is good or who needs to be released.. Gotcha....smdh...
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Post by SG88 on Nov 13, 2019 11:00:41 GMT -5
Lol. Put McCaffrey on this Giants roster and lets see him put up SB rookie numbers. Jay all he wants is an opportunity to bait a response . His nonsensical banter is for that exact reason. The best thing to do with a troll is to ignore it. They lose when they don't garnish a response. It takes a lot of discipline. It is one thing to go back and forth with someone that you disagree with. It is way different when interacting with a troll.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 13, 2019 11:02:30 GMT -5
Sure, he would have gained more than 1 yard on 13 carries against the Jets, and Jones would have been hit about 3 to 4 less times as McCaffrey would have made the assigned blocks. So you are a game by game person to determine who is good or who needs to be released.. Gotcha....smdh... Fantasy football management.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 13, 2019 12:25:43 GMT -5
Give Saquad a Carolina type OL & he will. Sorry, Saquon will never be as good as McCaffrey. This is no knock on Saquon, he just isn’t anyway near as good as McCaffrey....plus McCaffrey can pass block and pick up blitzes. I wouldn't go that far. He was expected to be better than everyone. I refuse to believe McCaffrey is any better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 12:27:47 GMT -5
Sorry, Saquon will never be as good as McCaffrey. This is no knock on Saquon, he just isn’t anyway near as good as McCaffrey....plus McCaffrey can pass block and pick up blitzes. I wouldn't go that far. He was expected to be better than everyone. I refuse to believe McCaffrey is any better. Barkley doesn't block so there is that on display every game even if you don't want to believe it.. Who's the better one seems like I will go with the player that does it all and that is McCaffery..
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Post by gumby on Nov 13, 2019 15:11:28 GMT -5
Yeah, the trade deadline has passed but here is an interesting thought. Trade Barkley because he's not good enough to overcome a bad OL.... I don't recall Barry Sanders having great OL and I recall him routinely turning nothing into something. Barkley did that rookie season and now I see it less and less each game. I see no difference when Wayne Gallman was on the field than when Barkley was on the field. If we aren't going to change the coaching staff, then move Barkley while he still has first round value. He is too good for this crap show. This is not about giving up on Barkley, it's about giving up on Shurmur....just to be clear. Few RBs are good enough to overcome a bad OL. Which is why the drafting of a RB that high wasn't a good one.
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Post by shocknaweny on Nov 13, 2019 16:55:20 GMT -5
Just simply no.....we will never get anything close to his value in a trade
Unless a team ponies up the Hershel Walker type bonanza I will view Saquan as a building block to the future rather than a road block to respectability
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 13, 2019 17:00:49 GMT -5
We are advocating trading our #2 pick.... 26 games in to his career (lead the league in all-purpose yards through the first 16) for a 2nd round pick? Am I reading this correctly? I thought I was taking crazy pills there for a second. people were saying at the time Barkley was drafted that the Giants couldn't afford that luxury with so many other needs on the team and now its looking the same way this season..
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