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Post by soflo on Nov 12, 2019 10:38:47 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say most of us are completely off the Shurmur train. Aside from the obvious consistencies you want for a rookie QB, it really doesn't make sense to kick that can down the road just for the sake of Daniel Jones, as it doesn't benefit the Giants in the long run to keep a guy long enough to bring along the QB...and Jones is a capable professional so I think all this talk about keeping Shumur for that reason is overrated.
So the question is, would Mara ever consider a personality like Jim Harbaugh, and what would it take to lure him over to the Giants?
All the other names I've been hearing are this team's offensive coordinator, that team's defensive coordinator, etc etc.
At this point, we've changed coaches so many times that you actually want the safe pick to stabilize this revolving carousel, like the Giants are so usually inclined to do.
He's a proven winner in college and the NFL. Everywhere he goes, he turns bad teams into very good teams with great defenses, and he does it quickly.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 12, 2019 10:51:38 GMT -5
Harbaugh is a damn good coach. He’s a kind of a dickey, but he has shown he can turn a franchise around. Those 49er teams were great. Now saying all of that, his issue in San Fran is he wanted more control, he butted heads with the GM at the time. So here, he would not go to a franchise to yet again have a GM tell him what to do.
It’s no coincidence that Mara has hired coordinators back to back. He took a gamble at inexperienced coaches and it has shown to have been a failure. Now hiring coordinators with no head coaching experience has worked. See Frank Reich, Doug Pederson, even Jim’s brother in Baltimore was a special teams coach. We for some reason have found the wrong guys. I hope, matter of fact, I pray the next hire is the right one.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 12, 2019 11:00:18 GMT -5
From what I recall didn't he sort of screw up the great team he built in San Fran? I can't recall what went on there. What I do recall is that I thought from the he made a mistake going with Colin over Smith from the get go, I never thought he'd be a consistently good passes under duress. But there's no doubting he's a great coach. I think he looks like one of the biggest assholes I've ever seen and In the past I always said no to this suggestion but I keep think that he's the kind of guy they need to bring in. He certainly knows how to be a head coach. I'd be all for that.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 12, 2019 11:02:23 GMT -5
Pass
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 11:04:56 GMT -5
Please no!
I am a Michigan fan and he has done absolutely nothing there. To have him leave Michigan (Yay!! and come here (Nooooo!) would be a nighmare.
Matt Rhule please
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 12, 2019 11:06:37 GMT -5
Please no! I am a Michigan fan and he has done absolutely nothing there. To have him leave Michigan (Yay!! and come here (Nooooo!) would be a nighmare. Matt Rhule please You have to admit. You are shocked at how bad he is in Michigan.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 11:10:09 GMT -5
Please no! I am a Michigan fan and he has done absolutely nothing there. To have him leave Michigan (Yay!! and come here (Nooooo!) would be a nighmare. Matt Rhule please You have to admit. You are shocked at how bad he is in Michigan. Dude, I was so jacked when he went there .... what a disappointment.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 12, 2019 11:22:26 GMT -5
Nah
But they better figure this out.
Shurmur unfortunately will be here in 2020 unless there is a player mutiny.
I expect Shula and Bettcher to be the scapegoats after this year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 11:33:44 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say most of us are completely off the Shurmur train. Aside from the obvious consistencies you want for a rookie QB, it really doesn't make sense to kick that can down the road just for the sake of Daniel Jones, as it doesn't benefit the Giants in the long run to keep a guy long enough to bring along the QB...and Jones is a capable professional so I think all this talk about keeping Shumur for that reason is overrated. So the question is, would Mara ever consider a personality like Jim Harbaugh, and what would it take to lure him over to the Giants? All the other names I've been hearing are this team's offensive coordinator, that team's defensive coordinator, etc etc. At this point, we've changed coaches so many times that you actually want the safe pick to stabilize this revolving carousel, like the Giants are so usually inclined to do. He's a proven winner in college and the NFL. Everywhere he goes, he turns bad teams into very good teams with great defenses, and he does it quickly. I would love to see Jim become head coach here but I don’t think Mara would hire him. Harbaugh is brilliant and if he is given personnel control as GM/HC we would have a winner out there.
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Post by hadenough on Nov 12, 2019 11:36:28 GMT -5
Part of me thinks Mara wouldn't select a coach with a personality. So, I'm gonna say no.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 12, 2019 11:37:56 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say most of us are completely off the Shurmur train. Aside from the obvious consistencies you want for a rookie QB, it really doesn't make sense to kick that can down the road just for the sake of Daniel Jones, as it doesn't benefit the Giants in the long run to keep a guy long enough to bring along the QB...and Jones is a capable professional so I think all this talk about keeping Shumur for that reason is overrated. So the question is, would Mara ever consider a personality like Jim Harbaugh, and what would it take to lure him over to the Giants? All the other names I've been hearing are this team's offensive coordinator, that team's defensive coordinator, etc etc. At this point, we've changed coaches so many times that you actually want the safe pick to stabilize this revolving carousel, like the Giants are so usually inclined to do. He's a proven winner in college and the NFL. Everywhere he goes, he turns bad teams into very good teams with great defenses, and he does it quickly. I would love to see Jim become head coach here but I don’t think Mara would hire him. Harbaugh is brilliant and if he is given personnel control as GM/HC we would have a winner out there. Like many college coaches, he needs the tilted field of college to excel. There’s one Harbaugh that can coach in the NFL and he’s already employed. In fairness he made the collegiate program at SF competitive for a bit there, but it was a half formed gimmick that was destined to fail at the NFL level which it did
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Post by jay051 on Nov 12, 2019 11:43:12 GMT -5
Harbaugh is a damn good coach. He’s a kind of a dickey, but he has shown he can turn a franchise around. Those 49er teams were great. Now saying all of that, his issue in San Fran is he wanted more control, he butted heads with the GM at the time. So here, he would not go to a franchise to yet again have a GM tell him what to do. It’s no coincidence that Mara has hired coordinators back to back. He took a gamble at inexperienced coaches and it has shown to have been a failure. Now hiring coordinators with no head coaching experience has worked. See Frank Reich, Doug Pederson, even Jim’s brother in Baltimore was a special teams coach. We for some reason have found the wrong guys. I hope, matter of fact, I pray the next hire is the right one. To be fair, Harbaugh was hired with great personnel already established in SF. The signs were already there that SF was a team to be reckoned with while Singletary was still the HC.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Nov 12, 2019 11:43:18 GMT -5
Part of me thinks Mara wouldn't select a coach with a personality. So, I'm gonna say no. Well Mara should since the coaches he hires are not good. Some of you wont agree but i bet Harbaugh would get these guys playing and turn the team around
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Post by jay051 on Nov 12, 2019 11:44:24 GMT -5
Part of me thinks Mara wouldn't select a coach with a personality. So, I'm gonna say no. You don't think DG is a personality??
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Post by jay051 on Nov 12, 2019 11:45:45 GMT -5
Part of me thinks Mara wouldn't select a coach with a personality. So, I'm gonna say no. Well Mara should since the coaches he hires are not good. Some of you wont agree but i bet Harbaugh would get these guys playing and turn the team around You think Harbaugh with this Giants roster can get to the playoffs?? By the way this has nothing to do with Shurmur.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 12, 2019 11:48:26 GMT -5
Harbaugh is a damn good coach. He’s a kind of a dickey, but he has shown he can turn a franchise around. Those 49er teams were great. Now saying all of that, his issue in San Fran is he wanted more control, he butted heads with the GM at the time. So here, he would not go to a franchise to yet again have a GM tell him what to do. It’s no coincidence that Mara has hired coordinators back to back. He took a gamble at inexperienced coaches and it has shown to have been a failure. Now hiring coordinators with no head coaching experience has worked. See Frank Reich, Doug Pederson, even Jim’s brother in Baltimore was a special teams coach. We for some reason have found the wrong guys. I hope, matter of fact, I pray the next hire is the right one. To be fair, Harbaugh was hired with great personnel already established in SF. The signs were already there that SF was a team to be reckoned with while Singletary was still the HC. He went to 3 straight NFC Championship games. 44-19 record, and 1 super bowl appearance. No matter the reasoning that’s great from a head coaches perspective. Sign me up for that..
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 12, 2019 11:49:24 GMT -5
I think it would take more balls to replace Shurmur since he is the replacement for the last guy who failed, keeping Shurmur is just hoping things will get better instead of cutting your losses and making a positive move. I actually like Shurmur but also think he is just not the right man for the job here...
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Nov 12, 2019 11:52:16 GMT -5
Well Mara should since the coaches he hires are not good. Some of you wont agree but i bet Harbaugh would get these guys playing and turn the team around You think Harbaugh with this Giants roster can get to the playoffs?? By the way this has nothing to do with Shurmur. lol maybe not this years roster but give Harbaugh a draft class or 2 and i bet he could.
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Post by soflo on Nov 12, 2019 11:52:29 GMT -5
Please no! I am a Michigan fan and he has done absolutely nothing there. To have him leave Michigan (Yay!! and come here (Nooooo!) would be a nighmare. Matt Rhule please I don't understand. Haven't they won like 10 games a year since he took over? And they were in pretty bad shape before that.
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Post by jay051 on Nov 12, 2019 11:52:30 GMT -5
To be fair, Harbaugh was hired with great personnel already established in SF. The signs were already there that SF was a team to be reckoned with while Singletary was still the HC. He went to 3 straight NFC Championship games. 44-19 record, and 1 super bowl appearance. No matter the reasoning that’s great from a head coaches perspective. Sign me up for that.. Nah I hear you but all I'm saying is that he had it good in SF with the personnel. I never denied JH being a solid coach.
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Post by hadenough on Nov 12, 2019 11:53:41 GMT -5
Part of me thinks Mara wouldn't select a coach with a personality. So, I'm gonna say no. You don't think DG is a personality?? He is...but Mara has known him for 20+ years.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 12, 2019 11:54:45 GMT -5
Please no! I am a Michigan fan and he has done absolutely nothing there. To have him leave Michigan (Yay!! and come here (Nooooo!) would be a nighmare. Matt Rhule please I don't understand. Haven't they won like 10 games a year since he took over? And they were in pretty bad shape before that. I believe he’s 0-4 vs Ohio State. Which In the Big House is a firable offense.
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Post by jay051 on Nov 12, 2019 11:54:46 GMT -5
You don't think DG is a personality?? He is...but Mara has known him for 20+ years. True. I guess you are referring to outsiders.. Gotcha.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 12, 2019 11:55:20 GMT -5
Well Mara should since the coaches he hires are not good. Some of you wont agree but i bet Harbaugh would get these guys playing and turn the team around You think Harbaugh with this Giants roster can get to the playoffs?? By the way this has nothing to do with Shurmur. my problem with this scenario of the Giants roster being the culprit is that we have tried umpteen players and replaced the coaches and the O line still stays the same and now I firmly believe that its not so much the players but very much the coaching staff, I don't pretend to have the answer to all of this but I am leaning toward coaching....
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Post by hadenough on Nov 12, 2019 11:55:48 GMT -5
He is...but Mara has known him for 20+ years. True. I guess you are referring to outsiders.. Gotcha. Exactly...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 11:58:22 GMT -5
I would love to see Jim become head coach here but I don’t think Mara would hire him. Harbaugh is brilliant and if he is given personnel control as GM/HC we would have a winner out there. Like many college coaches, he needs the tilted field of college to excel. There’s one Harbaugh that can coach in the NFL and he’s already employed. In fairness he made the collegiate program at SF competitive for a bit there, but it was a half formed gimmick that was destined to fail at the NFL level which it did Harbaugh went to two straight NFC championship games with two different QB and made it to a SB.
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Post by soflo on Nov 12, 2019 11:58:30 GMT -5
From what I recall didn't he sort of screw up the great team he built in San Fran? I can't recall what went on there. What I do recall is that I thought from the he made a mistake going with Colin over Smith from the get go, I never thought he'd be a consistently good passes under duress. But there's no doubting he's a great coach. I think he looks like one of the biggest assholes I've ever seen and In the past I always said no to this suggestion but I keep think that he's the kind of guy they need to bring in. He certainly knows how to be a head coach. I'd be all for that. 13-3 in 2011 11-4-1 in 2012 12-4 in 2013. He was fired after the 2014 season after going 8-8 so I'm not sure why the front office viewed him as screwing up the team. It's pretty well documented how they fell off a cliff from 2015 to 2018. Bunch of guys retired early and they hired Tomsula, who was basically a MacAdoo clone. Saw his introductory press conference and it was awkward to say the least.
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Post by soflo on Nov 12, 2019 12:03:08 GMT -5
I don't understand. Haven't they won like 10 games a year since he took over? And they were in pretty bad shape before that. I believe he’s 0-4 vs Ohio State. Which In the Big House is a firable offense. I mean Ohio State just score 73 points last week. A big part of head coaching success in college is recruiting. You could be the better coach but not the better recruiter and your rival winds up with more talent to coach.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 12, 2019 12:08:59 GMT -5
I believe he’s 0-4 vs Ohio State. Which In the Big House is a firable offense. I mean Ohio State just score 73 points last week. A big part of head coaching success in college is recruiting. You could be the better coach but not the better recruiter and your rival winds up with more talent to coach. At the end of the day both of those Colleges are measured by who beat who. And so far Jim is 0-4 against the buckeyes. It’s the biggest rivalry in American sports. They have been playing against one another since 1897.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 12, 2019 12:31:24 GMT -5
From what I recall didn't he sort of screw up the great team he built in San Fran? I can't recall what went on there. What I do recall is that I thought from the he made a mistake going with Colin over Smith from the get go, I never thought he'd be a consistently good passes under duress. But there's no doubting he's a great coach. I think he looks like one of the biggest assholes I've ever seen and In the past I always said no to this suggestion but I keep think that he's the kind of guy they need to bring in. He certainly knows how to be a head coach. I'd be all for that. 13-3 in 2011 11-4-1 in 2012 12-4 in 2013. He was fired after the 2014 season after going 8-8 so I'm not sure why the front office viewed him as screwing up the team. It's pretty well documented how they fell off a cliff from 2015 to 2018. Bunch of guys retired early and they hired Tomsula, who was basically a MacAdoo clone. Saw his introductory press conference and it was awkward to say the least. Their GM destroyed that team in record time as well
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