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Post by ratbastich on Nov 12, 2019 12:33:42 GMT -5
Maybe we can trade Shurmur for Tomlin. Tomlin needs a change of scenery and the Maras and Rooneys are one big family.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 12:41:56 GMT -5
Please no! I am a Michigan fan and he has done absolutely nothing there. To have him leave Michigan (Yay!! and come here (Nooooo!) would be a nighmare. Matt Rhule please I don't understand. Haven't they won like 10 games a year since he took over? And they were in pretty bad shape before that. He is being paid handsomely and here are the results:
0-4 against Ohio State (likely 0-5 after this season) 1-9 vs. top-10 opponents 0-7 as an underdog 1-6 on the road against ranked opponents
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Post by nygiantfanalways on Nov 12, 2019 13:32:56 GMT -5
No, because that would make too much sense!!
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Post by finngiant on Nov 12, 2019 15:32:48 GMT -5
He has had success but could be top much for Mara and DG to handle.
What about Mike Mccarthy? He is returning in 2020 and could start working with Jones now?
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Post by southerner on Nov 12, 2019 15:36:13 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say most of us are completely off the Shurmur train. Aside from the obvious consistencies you want for a rookie QB, it really doesn't make sense to kick that can down the road just for the sake of Daniel Jones, as it doesn't benefit the Giants in the long run to keep a guy long enough to bring along the QB...and Jones is a capable professional so I think all this talk about keeping Shumur for that reason is overrated. So the question is, would Mara ever consider a personality like Jim Harbaugh, and what would it take to lure him over to the Giants? All the other names I've been hearing are this team's offensive coordinator, that team's defensive coordinator, etc etc. At this point, we've changed coaches so many times that you actually want the safe pick to stabilize this revolving carousel, like the Giants are so usually inclined to do. He's a proven winner in college and the NFL. Everywhere he goes, he turns bad teams into very good teams with great defenses, and he does it quickly. Harbaugh is no proven winner. He is about to get canned at Michigan ....try again.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Nov 12, 2019 16:37:40 GMT -5
Michigan sucks and they have been sending crap to the pros since he's been there. Wonder Woman......
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 16:44:25 GMT -5
Michigan sucks and they have been sending crap to the pros since he's been there. Wonder Woman...... For the most part this is correct, but I think that Devin Bush is going to be a stud.
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Post by Delicreep on Nov 12, 2019 16:48:52 GMT -5
I don't know...does Mara have a really bad drinking problem?
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 16:50:08 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say most of us are completely off the Shurmur train. Aside from the obvious consistencies you want for a rookie QB, it really doesn't make sense to kick that can down the road just for the sake of Daniel Jones, as it doesn't benefit the Giants in the long run to keep a guy long enough to bring along the QB...and Jones is a capable professional so I think all this talk about keeping Shumur for that reason is overrated. So the question is, would Mara ever consider a personality like Jim Harbaugh, and what would it take to lure him over to the Giants? All the other names I've been hearing are this team's offensive coordinator, that team's defensive coordinator, etc etc. At this point, we've changed coaches so many times that you actually want the safe pick to stabilize this revolving carousel, like the Giants are so usually inclined to do. He's a proven winner in college and the NFL. Everywhere he goes, he turns bad teams into very good teams with great defenses, and he does it quickly. Harbaugh is no proven winner. He is about to get canned at Michigan ....try again. I don't think that he is going to get canned there ... at least not yet. Ann Arbor loves the guy
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Post by Nite on Nov 12, 2019 16:50:29 GMT -5
Michigan sucks and they have been sending crap to the pros since he's been there. Wonder Woman...... He ain't no Linda Carter... (now that stupid theme song is in my head)
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 12, 2019 16:51:48 GMT -5
Nah But they better figure this out. Shurmur unfortunately will be here in 2020 unless there is a player mutiny. I expect Shula and Bettcher to be the scapegoats after this year. why is Shula even here, what does he do?
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Post by Nite on Nov 12, 2019 16:54:09 GMT -5
Harbaugh is no proven winner. He is about to get canned at Michigan ....try again. I don't think that he is going to get canned there ... at least not yet. Ann Arbor loves the guy Urban Myers is available......
and the dude is a prick....
and the dude wins everywhere he goes...
(wheres Al Davis when you need him)
*currently in my undisclosed underground bunker in a far away non-descript mountain range*
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 12, 2019 16:54:41 GMT -5
You have to admit. You are shocked at how bad he is in Michigan. Dude, I was so jacked when he went there .... what a disappointment. College coaching is all about recruiting. It's far less about coaching. The reality is that Jim Harbaugh knows how to win in the NFL. He took a bad team and immediately turned them around.
I would love him here. He's kind of a pain to ownership of course but the guy wins and he's a bit entertaining.
I say yes.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 12, 2019 17:01:30 GMT -5
Dude, I was so jacked when he went there .... what a disappointment. College coaching is all about recruiting. It's far less about coaching. The reality is that Jim Harbaugh knows how to win in the NFL. He took a bad team and immediately turned them around.
I would love him here. He's kind of a pain to ownership of course but the guy wins and he's a bit entertaining.
I say yes.
He also is a very odd guy that has a limited shelf life with players. (Not as apparent in college, where the players stay for a max of 4 years)
He also hasn't really been able to develop a QB at Michigan, so I don't know if he's the best guy to develop Jones. (He could be, I just don't know).
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 12, 2019 17:11:22 GMT -5
doesn't Harbaugh have a nasty temper
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 12, 2019 17:31:58 GMT -5
Nah But they better figure this out. Shurmur unfortunately will be here in 2020 unless there is a player mutiny. I expect Shula and Bettcher to be the scapegoats after this year. why is Shula even here, what does he do? The reason why I call him ths hood ornament. Shurmer couldn't get either of the 2 guys he wanted that were familiar with his system (the dude in Minnesota and the qb coach that's now OC in Jacksonville)and this was basicly settling..
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 12, 2019 17:40:09 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say most of us are completely off the Shurmur train. Aside from the obvious consistencies you want for a rookie QB, it really doesn't make sense to kick that can down the road just for the sake of Daniel Jones, as it doesn't benefit the Giants in the long run to keep a guy long enough to bring along the QB...and Jones is a capable professional so I think all this talk about keeping Shumur for that reason is overrated. So the question is, would Mara ever consider a personality like Jim Harbaugh, and what would it take to lure him over to the Giants? All the other names I've been hearing are this team's offensive coordinator, that team's defensive coordinator, etc etc. At this point, we've changed coaches so many times that you actually want the safe pick to stabilize this revolving carousel, like the Giants are so usually inclined to do. He's a proven winner in college and the NFL. Everywhere he goes, he turns bad teams into very good teams with great defenses, and he does it quickly. Harbaugh is no proven winner. He is about to get canned at Michigan ....try again. Again...college football is more about recruiting than coaching. Nick Saban has failed and would fail again in the NFL as a HC. He's great when his players are better than everyone else. Like they have often been at Alabama.
Jim Harbaugh is a proven NFL winning HC. He took a 6-10 Niners team to 13-3 in one season, with pretty much the same players. He's been to two NFC championship games and one super bowl. He's 44-19-1 as an NFL HC. Pretty much the opposite of Pat Shurmur. And that came after taking over a bad team. The guy IS a proven NFL winner. Now..he's a pain. He's a character. Not sure John Mara and his buttoned down franchise could handle such a guy. But the guy can coach.
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 12, 2019 17:43:06 GMT -5
College coaching is all about recruiting. It's far less about coaching. The reality is that Jim Harbaugh knows how to win in the NFL. He took a bad team and immediately turned them around.
I would love him here. He's kind of a pain to ownership of course but the guy wins and he's a bit entertaining.
I say yes.
He also is a very odd guy that has a limited shelf life with players. (Not as apparent in college, where the players stay for a max of 4 years)
He also hasn't really been able to develop a QB at Michigan, so I don't know if he's the best guy to develop Jones. (He could be, I just don't know).
He saved Alex Smith's career. he got the most out of both him and Kaepernick. And look what happened to that team after he left. It's taken them many years to crawl back to relevance.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Nov 12, 2019 21:41:30 GMT -5
We should stick with Shurmer one more year. A lot of what we are seeing could be due to complete roster overhaul and, as a result, a team heavy on first or second year starters. Is he perfect, no. But some of his "boneheaded" plays may have looked like genius moves with better player execution. The coaches who should be looked at are Shula, Hunter, Dawson and Withers. Each of their units has shown lack of growth in young players. Shula needs to go and Shurmer needs to bring in someone he will trust with playcalling.
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 12, 2019 22:27:03 GMT -5
We should stick with Shurmer one more year. A lot of what we are seeing could be due to complete roster overhaul and, as a result, a team heavy on first or second year starters. Is he perfect, no. But some of his "boneheaded" plays may have looked like genius moves with better player execution. The coaches who should be looked at are Shula, Hunter, Dawson and Withers. Each of their units has shown lack of growth in young players. Shula needs to go and Shurmer needs to bring in someone he will trust with playcalling. What about Bettcher ? He should be the first out the door.
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Post by bavarobeast on Nov 13, 2019 8:27:40 GMT -5
Please no! I am a Michigan fan and he has done absolutely nothing there. To have him leave Michigan (Yay!! and come here (Nooooo!) would be a nighmare. Matt Rhule please This I'm also a Michigan fan - I grew up in Ann Arbor. Harbaugh has been a dud. Hasn't developed any of his QB recruits since he arrived. He survives on transfers who have under performed. He's also kind of a dick.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 13, 2019 10:59:55 GMT -5
Please no! I am a Michigan fan and he has done absolutely nothing there. To have him leave Michigan (Yay!! and come here (Nooooo!) would be a nighmare. Matt Rhule please This I'm also a Michigan fan - I grew up in Ann Arbor. Harbaugh has been a dud. Hasn't developed any of his QB recruits since he arrived. He survives on transfers who have under performed. He's also kind of a dick. I think he’s a good coach, in the way Dan Reeves was a good coach. He’ll get the team operating correctly, define roles and responsibilities and demand accountability and effort. He does seem to play to his players’ strengths, he rode that college program in SF further than it deserved to go. He won’t get you any championships though. The bigger the game the worse he is. But he likely would at least get the team moving in the right direction.
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 13, 2019 11:23:19 GMT -5
This I'm also a Michigan fan - I grew up in Ann Arbor. Harbaugh has been a dud. Hasn't developed any of his QB recruits since he arrived. He survives on transfers who have under performed. He's also kind of a dick. I think he’s a good coach, in the way Dan Reeves was a good coach. He’ll get the team operating correctly, define roles and responsibilities and demand accountability and effort. He does seem to play to his players’ strengths, he rode that college program in SF further than it deserved to go. He won’t get you any championships though. The bigger the game the worse he is. But he likely would at least get the team moving in the right direction. His NFL record suggests this post is completely off base. Or is it your view that a play or two that cost them the SB win vs. Baltimore were Jim Harbaugh's fault? Was he directly to blame for Jacoby Jones' KO return? If so...and it would have to be for your statement to be true, what did he specifically do to cause it? Was he responsible for the power outage? Did he cause the kids foot to touch the ball on the punt against us? I'm curious as to how he did that. Is "foot control" on punts not an emphasis of his coaching?
"He won't get you any championships" is a silly thing to say frankly. He was a play away from possibly winning two SB's....with a team that was bad when he took over.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 11:32:09 GMT -5
I think he’s a good coach, in the way Dan Reeves was a good coach. He’ll get the team operating correctly, define roles and responsibilities and demand accountability and effort. He does seem to play to his players’ strengths, he rode that college program in SF further than it deserved to go. He won’t get you any championships though. The bigger the game the worse he is. But he likely would at least get the team moving in the right direction. His NFL record suggests this post is completely off base. Or is it your view that a play or two that cost them the SB win vs. Baltimore were Jim Harbaugh's fault? Was he directly to blame for Jacoby Jones' KO return? If so...and it would have to be for your statement to be true, what did he specifically do to cause it? Was he responsible for the power outage? Did he cause the kids foot to touch the ball on the punt against us? I'm curious as to how he did that. Is "foot control" on punts not an emphasis of his coaching?
"He won't get you any championships" is a silly thing to say frankly. He was a play away from possibly winning two SB's....with a team that was bad when he took over.
T His play calling in the 2nd half against us offensively was not to lose/scared,while we were aggressive/trying to win. Now while a special teams mistake cost them ultimately,when you play not to lose you always lose in big games. I had no doubt in my mind we were winning that game once we tied it up,I thought it wound be a big play that went house to someone because we had guys wide open on the plays Eli got sacked at the end.Gilbride was right for being highly aggressive Harbaugh has a history of this in big spots in big games
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 13, 2019 12:08:10 GMT -5
I think he’s a good coach, in the way Dan Reeves was a good coach. He’ll get the team operating correctly, define roles and responsibilities and demand accountability and effort. He does seem to play to his players’ strengths, he rode that college program in SF further than it deserved to go. He won’t get you any championships though. The bigger the game the worse he is. But he likely would at least get the team moving in the right direction. His NFL record suggests this post is completely off base. Or is it your view that a play or two that cost them the SB win vs. Baltimore were Jim Harbaugh's fault? Was he directly to blame for Jacoby Jones' KO return? If so...and it would have to be for your statement to be true, what did he specifically do to cause it? Was he responsible for the power outage? Did he cause the kids foot to touch the ball on the punt against us? I'm curious as to how he did that. Is "foot control" on punts not an emphasis of his coaching?
"He won't get you any championships" is a silly thing to say frankly. He was a play away from possibly winning two SB's....with a team that was bad when he took over.
I didn’t even know he was the HC for two Super Bowls. I only remember one. We could recreate every play and argue about what could have happened or we could just deal with the facts. His talented team did not win any championships during his tenure. As I said he did a good job taking a college team to a NFL championship game that he did not win. Did anyone actually believe the 49ers were going to win that SB on Kaepernick’s arm? I could see it potentially happening in college ball, but not the pros. It’s my opinion that Harbaugh overcoaches and the bigger the game the more questionable his decisions. I think people keep records on that kind of thing as well. Ultimately I’m thrilled that he took Smith out in the game against the Giants to sub in Kaepernick and kill the offensive momentum they had. That’s his deal, he’s smarter than everyone except when he isn’t. I said he’s a good coach, I’m sorry I don’t think he - like Dan Reeves - is a championship coach. Maybe he’ll prove that wrong someday. Or maybe he’ll just be damn good and keep wearing out his welcome everywhere he goes.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 12:11:31 GMT -5
His NFL record suggests this post is completely off base. Or is it your view that a play or two that cost them the SB win vs. Baltimore were Jim Harbaugh's fault? Was he directly to blame for Jacoby Jones' KO return? If so...and it would have to be for your statement to be true, what did he specifically do to cause it? Was he responsible for the power outage? Did he cause the kids foot to touch the ball on the punt against us? I'm curious as to how he did that. Is "foot control" on punts not an emphasis of his coaching?
"He won't get you any championships" is a silly thing to say frankly. He was a play away from possibly winning two SB's....with a team that was bad when he took over.
I didn’t even know he was the HC for two Super Bowls. I only remember one. We could recreate every play and argue about what could have happened or we could just deal with the facts. His talented team did not win any championships during his tenure. As I said he did a good job taking a college team to a NFL championship game that he did not win. Did anyone actually believe the 49ers were going to win that SB on Kaepernick’s arm? I could see it potentially happening in college ball, but not the pros. It’s my opinion that Harbaugh overcoaches and the bigger the game the more questionable his decisions. I think people keep records on that kind of thing as well. Ultimately I’m thrilled that he took Smith out in the game against the Giants to sub in Kaepernick and kill the offensive momentum they had. That’s his deal, he’s smarter than everyone except when he isn’t. I said he’s a good coach, I’m sorry I don’t think he - like Dan Reeves - is a championship coach. Maybe he’ll prove that wrong someday. Or maybe he’ll just be damn good and keep wearing out his welcome everywhere he goes. Reeves had the Broncos on the ropes early in that superbowl and ****ed it up.
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 13, 2019 12:16:42 GMT -5
His NFL record suggests this post is completely off base. Or is it your view that a play or two that cost them the SB win vs. Baltimore were Jim Harbaugh's fault? Was he directly to blame for Jacoby Jones' KO return? If so...and it would have to be for your statement to be true, what did he specifically do to cause it? Was he responsible for the power outage? Did he cause the kids foot to touch the ball on the punt against us? I'm curious as to how he did that. Is "foot control" on punts not an emphasis of his coaching?
"He won't get you any championships" is a silly thing to say frankly. He was a play away from possibly winning two SB's....with a team that was bad when he took over.
I didn’t even know he was the HC for two Super Bowls. I only remember one. We could recreate every play and argue about what could have happened or we could just deal with the facts. His talented team did not win any championships during his tenure. As I said he did a good job taking a college team to a NFL championship game that he did not win. Did anyone actually believe the 49ers were going to win that SB on Kaepernick’s arm? I could see it potentially happening in college ball, but not the pros. It’s my opinion that Harbaugh overcoaches and the bigger the game the more questionable his decisions. I think people keep records on that kind of thing as well. Ultimately I’m thrilled that he took Smith out in the game against the Giants to sub in Kaepernick and kill the offensive momentum they had. That’s his deal, he’s smarter than everyone except when he isn’t. I said he’s a good coach, I’m sorry I don’t think he - like Dan Reeves - is a championship coach. Maybe he’ll prove that wrong someday. Or maybe he’ll just be damn good and keep wearing out his welcome everywhere he goes. His "talented team" was 6-10 the season before he became their HC. They went 13-3 his first season.
And he did what? Kaepernick didn't play a down in that game as far as I remember/
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 13, 2019 12:26:30 GMT -5
His NFL record suggests this post is completely off base. Or is it your view that a play or two that cost them the SB win vs. Baltimore were Jim Harbaugh's fault? Was he directly to blame for Jacoby Jones' KO return? If so...and it would have to be for your statement to be true, what did he specifically do to cause it? Was he responsible for the power outage? Did he cause the kids foot to touch the ball on the punt against us? I'm curious as to how he did that. Is "foot control" on punts not an emphasis of his coaching?
"He won't get you any championships" is a silly thing to say frankly. He was a play away from possibly winning two SB's....with a team that was bad when he took over.
T His play calling in the 2nd half against us offensively was not to lose/scared,while we were aggressive/trying to win. Now while a special teams mistake cost them ultimately,when you play not to lose you always lose in big games. I had no doubt in my mind we were winning that game once we tied it up,I thought it wound be a big play that went house to someone because we had guys wide open on the plays Eli got sacked at the end.Gilbride was right for being highly aggressive Harbaugh has a history of this in big spots in big games How was his play calling in the SB when they scored 31 against Baltimore? Was he playing not to lose when they put up all those points in the 2nd half?
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Post by bringsimmsback on Nov 13, 2019 14:59:52 GMT -5
We should stick with Shurmer one more year. A lot of what we are seeing could be due to complete roster overhaul and, as a result, a team heavy on first or second year starters. Is he perfect, no. But some of his "boneheaded" plays may have looked like genius moves with better player execution. The coaches who should be looked at are Shula, Hunter, Dawson and Withers. Each of their units has shown lack of growth in young players. Shula needs to go and Shurmer needs to bring in someone he will trust with playcalling. What about Bettcher ? He should be the first out the door. I'm not sure what to do there. He may be suffering from the point I made about roster overhaul/young players and we see a big jump in effectiveness next year as they grow into their roles and we have another season of upgrading the roster. My assumption is that the unit coaches are more directly responsible for players' growth and preparation so I'm definitely concerned with a number of them.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 15:06:13 GMT -5
T His play calling in the 2nd half against us offensively was not to lose/scared,while we were aggressive/trying to win. Now while a special teams mistake cost them ultimately,when you play not to lose you always lose in big games. I had no doubt in my mind we were winning that game once we tied it up,I thought it wound be a big play that went house to someone because we had guys wide open on the plays Eli got sacked at the end.Gilbride was right for being highly aggressive Harbaugh has a history of this in big spots in big games How was his play calling in the SB when they scored 31 against Baltimore? Was he playing not to lose when they put up all those points in the 2nd half? When your back is against the wall it makes you change,but the fact remains his timid playcalling on the goal line is a major reason they choked at the end
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