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Post by Nite on Nov 13, 2019 15:59:45 GMT -5
I'm kind of the mind the next HC should be an up and comer either from the college ranks or pros. The ones who are familiar with the changing nature of football and are able to adapt the team to those or at least meld the talents of the players to the system...... Shurmur is incompetent and in over his head...I'll give him till the end of the year to change my mind (actually change Fbombs mind as he has special powers unknown to us mere mortals....) However if he fails in his primary charge that is not developing DJ and/or getting him injured then I would be ok with his immediate dismissal....
That being said the following list is who I would consider a decent replacement
Matt Rhule - an experience winner in college (Temple, Baylor)
Lincoln Riley - OU - a real qb whisperer (Will need a real DC tho)
Joe Brady - Has pro experience with the Saints and turned LSU into a football powerhouse and a good qb into a Heisman candidate
David Shaw - Solid football man with Stanford and has pro experience
Urban Myers - Don't kill me on this one, yes he is a scoundrel and an ass*** but he wins wherever he goes and knows how to build programs
Nick Sabin - I think he has a connection to Mara not sure..but Alabama has a death grip on him..unless the crazies at Ala throw him out if he doesn;t make the CFB playoffs
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Post by Nite on Nov 13, 2019 16:02:00 GMT -5
This doesn't work....I like socks...I do not like Shurmur as our HC. Why do you need socks - didn't you say you have hairy feet? Is Jmike a hobbit? Oooooh
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Post by jmike on Nov 13, 2019 16:03:33 GMT -5
Why do you need socks - didn't you say you have hairy feet? Is Jmike a hobbit? Oooooh No, but I am about as tall as one.
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Post by Nite on Nov 13, 2019 16:10:13 GMT -5
Is Jmike a hobbit? Oooooh No, but I am about as tall as one. Ok, but tell Gandalf I said hi....
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 13, 2019 16:21:38 GMT -5
**** continuity = hello qb carousel and franchise hell If we hire the right coach, who is going to care that Shurmur was the second coach we fired in 3 years?
Shurmur is not the guy. keeping him on is just prolonging the inevitable just for the sake of "continuity". Will "continuity" be served if we fire him after 2020?
I like Shurmur as a person but I've seen enough of him as our HC...
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 13, 2019 16:25:34 GMT -5
You are talking about what will happen. I'm talking about what should happen.
John Mara is completely inept. That can't be denied. He has put us here. The buck stops with him.
So do I think Shurmur will get fired? I really don't know. As I said, if we end up 3-13 or 4-12 this year he would have a tough time keeping him. If we win a few more games and end up 6-10....or even 5-11? I think he'll favor the devil he knows. I do because I have become convinced that John Mara is a fool when it comes to football. Something I never believed until a few years ago.
I knew I would eventually get you on board!
#$@&!* that Silver-Spooned Weenie!
Monty Burns clone...
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 13, 2019 16:29:13 GMT -5
Mara is a businessman and he has to know the feelings of the fans and for that reason the pressure to do the right thing by the fans is huge, not to mention the image of the franchise going quickly into the tank..
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 13, 2019 17:10:14 GMT -5
In terms of a veteran coach with winning experience is there a bigger name out there than McCarthy? I said it before I would look at Chuck Pagano. DC Bears. Another nice guy who is a good coordinator but probably not real HC material.
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 13, 2019 17:12:14 GMT -5
I'm kind of the mind the next HC should be an up and comer either from the college ranks or pros. The ones who are familiar with the changing nature of football and are able to adapt the team to those or at least meld the talents of the players to the system...... Shurmur is incompetent and in over his head...I'll give him till the end of the year to change my mind (actually change Fbombs mind as he has special powers unknown to us mere mortals....) However if he fails in his primary charge that is not developing DJ and/or getting him injured then I would be ok with his immediate dismissal.... That being said the following list is who I would consider a decent replacement Matt Rhule - an experience winner in college (Temple, Baylor) Lincoln Riley - OU - a real qb whisperer (Will need a real DC tho) Joe Brady - Has pro experience with the Saints and turned LSU into a football powerhouse and a good qb into a Heisman candidate David Shaw - Solid football man with Stanford and has pro experience Urban Myers - Don't kill me on this one, yes he is a scoundrel and an ass*** but he wins wherever he goes and knows how to build programs Nick Sabin - I think he has a connection to Mara not sure..but Alabama has a death grip on him..unless the crazies at Ala throw him out if he doesn;t make the CFB playoffs David Shaw is the guy I wanted when we hired McAdoo. He's the guy I wanted when we fired McAdoo. He's the guy I still want as our HC. He wins even though Stanford has high academic standards. He's at a disadvantage unlike Saban, Urban Meyer etc..... Those guys win because they have superior talent.
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Post by Nite on Nov 13, 2019 17:15:12 GMT -5
Urban Myers - Don't kill me on this one, yes he is a scoundrel and an ass*** but he wins wherever he goes and knows how to build programs Nick Sabin - I think he has a connection to Mara not sure..but Alabama has a death grip on him..unless the crazies at Ala throw him out if he doesn;t make the CFB playoffs Hell no, this place would be a ****ing circus! But highly entertaining :
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Post by shocknaweny on Nov 13, 2019 17:20:19 GMT -5
Matt Rhule will be the coach of the New York Football Giants in 2020.
Mark it down! Could you tell us who he is first? HC for Baylor If NCAA is where they are looking I would prefer P.J. Fleck or Mark Dantonio
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 17:23:52 GMT -5
Pardon me, but that is not what this thread is about. From it's onset it has bern about predicting what is likely to happen. Not what we want to or wish would happen. I can change the rules because I'm special. No argument
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 13, 2019 17:26:16 GMT -5
Could you tell us who he is first? HC for Baylor If NCAA is where they are looking I would prefer P.J. Fleck or Mark Dantonio As an MSU fan I can say that Dantonio had his chance a few years ago. Not sure if he's the guy I would want.
To me the only college coaches I would look at are guys who don't have recruiting advantages and coach a pro style offense.
As I said the only college guy I would like is David Shaw.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 13, 2019 17:26:49 GMT -5
I'm kind of the mind the next HC should be an up and comer either from the college ranks or pros. The ones who are familiar with the changing nature of football and are able to adapt the team to those or at least meld the talents of the players to the system...... Shurmur is incompetent and in over his head...I'll give him till the end of the year to change my mind (actually change Fbombs mind as he has special powers unknown to us mere mortals....) However if he fails in his primary charge that is not developing DJ and/or getting him injured then I would be ok with his immediate dismissal.... That being said the following list is who I would consider a decent replacement Matt Rhule - an experience winner in college (Temple, Baylor) Lincoln Riley - OU - a real qb whisperer (Will need a real DC tho) Joe Brady - Has pro experience with the Saints and turned LSU into a football powerhouse and a good qb into a Heisman candidate David Shaw - Solid football man with Stanford and has pro experience Urban Myers - Don't kill me on this one, yes he is a scoundrel and an ass*** but he wins wherever he goes and knows how to build programs Nick Sabin - I think he has a connection to Mara not sure..but Alabama has a death grip on him..unless the crazies at Ala throw him out if he doesn;t make the CFB playoffs David Shaw is the guy I wanted when we hired McAdoo. He's the guy I wanted when we fired McAdoo. He's the guy I still want as our HC. He wins even though Stanford has high academic standards. He's at a disadvantage unlike Saban, Urban Meyer etc..... Those guys win because they have superior talent.
Interesting choice. Having a down year at Stanford but he’s done an exceptional job over there. Stanford graduate I believe, been coaching in College and the pros for 24 years. Only 47 years old. I like this choice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 17:28:49 GMT -5
I'm kind of the mind the next HC should be an up and comer either from the college ranks or pros. The ones who are familiar with the changing nature of football and are able to adapt the team to those or at least meld the talents of the players to the system...... Shurmur is incompetent and in over his head...I'll give him till the end of the year to change my mind (actually change Fbombs mind as he has special powers unknown to us mere mortals....) However if he fails in his primary charge that is not developing DJ and/or getting him injured then I would be ok with his immediate dismissal.... That being said the following list is who I would consider a decent replacement Matt Rhule - an experience winner in college (Temple, Baylor) Lincoln Riley - OU - a real qb whisperer (Will need a real DC tho) Joe Brady - Has pro experience with the Saints and turned LSU into a football powerhouse and a good qb into a Heisman candidate David Shaw - Solid football man with Stanford and has pro experience Urban Myers - Don't kill me on this one, yes he is a scoundrel and an ass*** but he wins wherever he goes and knows how to build programs Nick Sabin - I think he has a connection to Mara not sure..but Alabama has a death grip on him..unless the crazies at Ala throw him out if he doesn;t make the CFB playoffs Some of you all should remember that and keep a civil tongue in your mouth!!
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 17:31:37 GMT -5
Could you tell us who he is first? HC for Baylor If NCAA is where they are looking I would prefer P.J. Fleck or Mark Dantonio Who are those 2 guys and why?
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 17:33:06 GMT -5
HC for Baylor If NCAA is where they are looking I would prefer P.J. Fleck or Mark Dantonio As an MSU fan I can say that Dantonio had his chance a few years ago. Not sure if he's the guy I would want.
To me the only college coaches I would look at are guys who don't have recruiting advantages and coach a pro style offense.
As I said the only college guy I would like is David Shaw.
Shaw runs the WCO so there is some continuity for Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 17:33:20 GMT -5
Mara is a businessman and he has to know the feelings of the fans and for that reason the pressure to do the right thing by the fans is huge, not to mention the image of the franchise going quickly into the tank.. Mara tried that route before. It's why this rebuild took so long to happen. He knew the fans were going to be impatient, but rebuilds take what they take. We basically came in this year with nothing except Barkley. It's not going to get fixed in 10 games. It's why owners hate to pull the trigger on a rebuild.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 17:36:13 GMT -5
Mara is a businessman and he has to know the feelings of the fans and for that reason the pressure to do the right thing by the fans is huge, not to mention the image of the franchise going quickly into the tank.. Mara tried that route before. It's why this rebuild took so long to happen. He knew the fans were going to be impatient, but rebuilds take what they take. We basically came in this year with nothing except Barkley. It's not going to get fixed in 10 games. It's why owners hate to pull the trigger on a rebuild. Pretty much this
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Post by Bigjeep on Nov 13, 2019 17:41:47 GMT -5
Mara is a businessman and he has to know the feelings of the fans and for that reason the pressure to do the right thing by the fans is huge, not to mention the image of the franchise going quickly into the tank.. Seriously? It took airplanes flying over the stadium years ago for Mara to do anything. In fact, it took Pete Roselle to hire a GM for the Mara brothers who were fighting with each over!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 17:44:23 GMT -5
lol. Sorry, but I don't agree. 2021 maybe.....but Shurmur will get at least 2 seasons with Jones. Good or bad. I don't think so. If I were Mara, it would be about doing what is best for Jones, and I don't think that is Shurmur. Solid idea, but it's not working Mara should do what is best for the team and not worry about individuals.
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Post by shocknaweny on Nov 13, 2019 17:48:14 GMT -5
HC for Baylor If NCAA is where they are looking I would prefer P.J. Fleck or Mark Dantonio Who are those 2 guys and why? Fleck is doing great things breathing life into a long forgotten program out in Minnesota and hes got energy and the players seem to love him and I am sure he can relate to all these milennials which I think is an important and underrated aspect of coaching now ....Dantonio is a HC I respect at Michigan State and seems like a hard nose coach who will fix the disipline issues we seem to have had recently
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 17:52:19 GMT -5
Since we are wishing instead of predicting, I would give Magilla's left nut if they would back up the Brinks truck and bring Pete Carroll here. Always loved that guy. Sean Payton as well.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 18:04:13 GMT -5
Who are those 2 guys and why? Fleck is doing great things breathing life into a long forgotten program out in Minnesota and hes got energy and the players seem to love him and I am sure he can relate to all these milennials which I think is an important and underrated aspect of coaching now ....Dantonio is a HC I respect at Michigan State and seems like a hard nose coach who will fix the disipline issues we seem to have had recently Ehh I'll pass on both Jones would stagnate
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 13, 2019 18:16:14 GMT -5
That makes absolutely no sense. I'm not saying you're wrong, but how could John Mara believe the Giants did a great job handling the Eli Manning era? Yes they had themselves a top 10 QB for many years who elevated his game in 2011 to become a top 5 QB, and helped them miraculously win a couple Super Bowls. But those teams were 10 and 9 win regular season teams. The Giants never established themselves as a truly solid franchise for any extended period of time, nor was Eli able to maintain that top 5 position at QB other than that 1 season.
With every contract Eli signed there were questions surrounding his game, and while that never stopped the Giants from signing him, those questions remained right up until this season.
The only continuity I see from John Mara's Giants, is a franchise which scrambles every year to try and get things fixed.
This has more to do with the front office going even as far back as George Young's last 8 years always trying to play catch up because of bad drafts ame having to band aid the roster in free agency. Happened in 2000,2005,2007,,2009,2016. You never develop a solid young core that all bloom at the same time in that run. The only true dominant run they had was the playoff run in 2007/08 through the first 5 weeks in 2009,where (including playoffs)they went 21-5.. What Gettleman is trying to do is build that really good young core around our new franchise qb so Jones doesn't have to overcome what Eli often had to attempt during his career most of the time
Well, it appears that Dave will have the benefit of drafting high in 3 consecutive years.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 13, 2019 18:20:04 GMT -5
I don't think so. If I were Mara, it would be about doing what is best for Jones, and I don't think that is Shurmur. Solid idea, but it's not working Then it had better be Jay Gruden then becsuse he runs the same system which means continuity,which is the best thing for a young qb And he really wanted the Skins to get Jones Oh God NO ! Jay Gruden is worse than Schurmer, please I'd much rather give Schurmer another year than go anywhere near Jay Gruden.
As a matter of fact I don't think Schurmer is going anywhere. I would think when you hire a coach you must give him 3 years. If a team keeps switching out coaches every year or 2 who is taking the job ? I think Schurmer gets another year.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 18:20:57 GMT -5
Then it had better be Jay Gruden then becsuse he runs the same system which means continuity,which is the best thing for a young qb And he really wanted the Skins to get Jones Oh God NO ! Jay Gruden is worse than Schurmer, please I'd much rather give Schurmer another year than go anywhere near Jay Gruden.
As a matter of fact I don't think Schurmer is going anywhere. I would think when you hire a coach you must give him 3 years. If a team keeps switching out coaches every year or 2 who is taking the job ? I think Schurmer gets another year.
I agree with you about changing coaches like underwear
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 13, 2019 18:28:41 GMT -5
That makes absolutely no sense. I'm not saying you're wrong, but how could John Mara believe the Giants did a great job handling the Eli Manning era? Yes they had themselves a top 10 QB for many years who elevated his game in 2011 to become a top 5 QB, and helped them miraculously win a couple Super Bowls. But those teams were 10 and 9 win regular season teams. The Giants never established themselves as a truly solid franchise for any extended period of time, nor was Eli able to maintain that top 5 position at QB other than that 1 season.
With every contract Eli signed there were questions surrounding his game, and while that never stopped the Giants from signing him, those questions remained right up until this season.
The only continuity I see from John Mara's Giants, is a franchise which scrambles every year to try and get things fixed.
They continued to try and build the team around Eli for far too long. They even promoted McAdoo for the sake of continuity. It's been about what's in the best interest of Eli for years. They just thought it was better for him to get more weapons rather than olineman.
Exactly. So they failed to give their franchise QB the support he needed and like Sarcasman said, instead they kept hoping Eli would continue to pull playoff victories out of his ass.
John Mara in no way created a well-oiled machine. He kept adding parts, as parts kept falling off.
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 13, 2019 18:44:51 GMT -5
As an MSU fan I can say that Dantonio had his chance a few years ago. Not sure if he's the guy I would want.
To me the only college coaches I would look at are guys who don't have recruiting advantages and coach a pro style offense.
As I said the only college guy I would like is David Shaw.
Shaw runs the WCO so there is some continuity for Jones. Basically...everyone in the NFL runs some version of the WCO.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 13, 2019 18:46:54 GMT -5
Shaw runs the WCO so there is some continuity for Jones. Basically...everyone in the NFL runs some version of the WCO. Not nessisarily true
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