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Nov 25, 2019 15:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 25, 2019 15:57:46 GMT -5
Barkley - Has proven himself to be a HR hitter who dances behind the LOS rather than seeking positive gain on the average play. Has not lived up to his draft status, not close.
Hernandez - Starter level, but average
Carter - Solid extra LB
Hill - Was playing fairly well and was then rendered a PT role player by the Williams trade
Lauletta - Cut
2nd Round 4 traded for Ogletree who will be cut this offseason.
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Post by Kase1 on Nov 25, 2019 16:18:52 GMT -5
Barkley - Has proven himself to be a HR hitter who dances behind the LOS rather than seeking positive gain on the average play. Has not lived up to his draft status, not close. Hernandez - Starter level, but average Carter - Solid extra LB Hill - Was playing fairly well and was then rendered a PT role player by the Williams trade Lauletta - Cut 2nd Round 4 traded for Ogletree who will be cut this offseason. Barkley has had a rough year but he has also been injured and has been running behind an awful line. He gets hit in the backfield more than any other RB in the league it seems, and THAT is on the OL. Hernandez has been more than average, he has been arguably the best piece of our OL Carter isnt a pass rusher, but he is solid in coverage and against the run. I want to give him a shot on the inside next season Hill has had a REAL disappointing season, I cant deny that. I havent heard about an injury or anything, I think he has just been in a slump. At the worst he is a solid depth player Lauletta was a bad pick cant deny that
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 25, 2019 16:22:28 GMT -5
Barkley - Has proven himself to be a HR hitter who dances behind the LOS rather than seeking positive gain on the average play. Has not lived up to his draft status, not close. Hernandez - Starter level, but average Carter - Solid extra LB Hill - Was playing fairly well and was then rendered a PT role player by the Williams trade Lauletta - Cut 2nd Round 4 traded for Ogletree who will be cut this offseason. Barkley has had a rough year but he has also been injured and has been running behind an awful line. He gets hit in the backfield more than any other RB in the league it seems, and THAT is on the OL. Hernandez has been more than average, he has been arguably the best piece of our OL Carter isnt a pass rusher, but he is solid in coverage and against the run. I want to give him a shot on the inside next season Hill has had a REAL disappointing season, I cant deny that. I havent heard about an injury or anything, I think he has just been in a slump. At the worst he is a solid depth player Lauletta was a bad pick cant deny that Would love to see Hernandez with an actual average center and a LT that starts his season week one instead of the week after the bye
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 25, 2019 16:34:40 GMT -5
This is why it takes years to judge these drafts.
What if Barkley is never the same and deals with injuries ala David Wilson? That pick would look atrocious.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 25, 2019 16:48:01 GMT -5
This is why it takes years to judge these drafts. What if Barkley is never the same and deals with injuries ala David Wilson? That pick would look atrocious. David Wilson was never a first round talent tho he had ball security issues in college pass pro problems he was a project. Barkely was a 10 times better prospect and as the OP seems to have forgotten hasn't lost fumble in almost 2 years and combined for over 2000 yards when healthy last year lol. If you don't like Dave Gettlemen fine but trying to crap on really good players to prove your point not cool. These are the kind of threads that ruin the integrity of the board as a whole agenda based BS.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 25, 2019 16:48:59 GMT -5
Barkley has had a rough year but he has also been injured and has been running behind an awful line. He gets hit in the backfield more than any other RB in the league it seems, and THAT is on the OL. Hernandez has been more than average, he has been arguably the best piece of our OL Carter isnt a pass rusher, but he is solid in coverage and against the run. I want to give him a shot on the inside next season Hill has had a REAL disappointing season, I cant deny that. I havent heard about an injury or anything, I think he has just been in a slump. At the worst he is a solid depth player Lauletta was a bad pick cant deny that Would love to see Hernandez with an actual average center and a LT that starts his season week one instead of the week after the bye Hernandez is grading out really well this is bunk agenda based bunk.
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2018 Draft
Nov 25, 2019 16:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 25, 2019 16:49:39 GMT -5
This is why it takes years to judge these drafts. What if Barkley is never the same and deals with injuries ala David Wilson? That pick would look atrocious. Yeah, hopefully not, but that is the main reason I didn't want a RB at 2. They typically get hit harder and more often than any other position.
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2018 Draft
Nov 25, 2019 16:52:45 GMT -5
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 25, 2019 16:52:45 GMT -5
This is why it takes years to judge these drafts. What if Barkley is never the same and deals with injuries ala David Wilson? That pick would look atrocious. I hate to say it, but I think it already does. I'm not knocking him at all, I think he has been more hurt than they are letting on, and I think he has suffered from not being utilized in the best ways. However, looking back it was silly to pick a RB with the holes we had all over this roster. Not much we can do about it now....
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Post by thetruth on Nov 25, 2019 17:04:22 GMT -5
This is why it takes years to judge these drafts. What if Barkley is never the same and deals with injuries ala David Wilson? That pick would look atrocious. David Wilson was never a first round talent tho he had ball security issues in college pass pro problems he was a project. Barkely was a 10 times better prospect and as the OP seems to have forgotten hasn't lost fumble in almost 2 years and combined for over 2000 yards when healthy last year lol. If you don't like Dave Gettlemen fine but trying to crap on really good players to prove your point not cool. These are the kind of threads that ruin the integrity of the board as a whole agenda based BS. Our QB has ball security issues does that mean he's not a first round talent? Not saying Saquon isn't a better prospect but to think Wilson wasn't a first round prospect based solely on ball security is more agenda based than anything the Analyst mentioned.
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Post by thetruth on Nov 25, 2019 17:05:43 GMT -5
This is why it takes years to judge these drafts. What if Barkley is never the same and deals with injuries ala David Wilson? That pick would look atrocious. Yeah, hopefully not, but that is the main reason I didn't want a RB at 2. They typically get hit harder and more often than any other position. There is a reason why RB's rarely get second contracts. And of the RB's that have received second contracts, how many of those deals actually worked out for their teams? slim pickings. As good as Barkley is, give me Quentin Nelson for 15 years. Colts moved down and took him whilst acquiring 3 second rounders in the process. Must be nice.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 25, 2019 18:27:36 GMT -5
This is why it takes years to judge these drafts. What if Barkley is never the same and deals with injuries ala David Wilson? That pick would look atrocious. David Wilson was never a first round talent tho he had ball security issues in college pass pro problems he was a project. Barkely was a 10 times better prospect and as the OP seems to have forgotten hasn't lost fumble in almost 2 years and combined for over 2000 yards when healthy last year lol. If you don't like Dave Gettlemen fine but trying to crap on really good players to prove your point not cool. These are the kind of threads that ruin the integrity of the board as a whole agenda based BS. Speaking of agenda based BS...David Wilson had 3 fumbles total in college. He also rushed for over 1700 yards his junior year (he declared after that) and was a good pass catcher that didn't get utilized in that way a lot because it's not how VTs offense was built. He was also an elite athlete. Absolutely a first round talent. He went right around his projection where we took him (which was 32). He also led college football in yards after first contact his junior year. Of course Barkley is the better prospect, but it's weird to diminish the talent of a guy that had a chance to be really dynamic in the league but didn't get that opportunity because his career was cut short due to injury. Oh and when he got his hands on the ball for the short time he was with the Giants he constantly showed game breaking speed and athleticism. Had he been okay, I was salivating at an offense that contained him, Cruz, and Beckham. I think we all were.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 25, 2019 18:31:13 GMT -5
Barkley could also spend the next 5 years healthy and get 2000 yards from scrimmage every year. We don't know. It's football, guys will get injured. He doesn't have a chronic injury history, so I hope it all works out. Him at his best helps the team.
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Post by lt56 on Nov 25, 2019 18:48:33 GMT -5
All will be Fine, a little Sophomore/2nd Year Slump they all will work their way out of I'm sure and have big 3rd Seasons Barkley has had a rough year but he has also been injured and has been running behind an awful line. He gets hit in the backfield more than any other RB in the league it seems, and THAT is on the OL. Hernandez has been more than average, he has been arguably the best piece of our OL Carter isnt a pass rusher, but he is solid in coverage and against the run. I want to give him a shot on the inside next seasonHill has had a REAL disappointing season, I cant deny that. I havent heard about an injury or anything, I think he has just been in a slump. At the worst he is a solid depth player Lauletta was a bad pick cant deny that Would love to see Hernandez with an actual average center and a LT that starts his season week one instead of the week after the bye Love this idea of moving Lorenzo Carter to Inside Linebacker instead of Edge Rusher or let him do a little bit of both. Can even send him to Blitz from the inside
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Post by McCherry on Nov 25, 2019 18:53:33 GMT -5
Hernandez is anything but average. Probably the safest bet for a long career of any draft pick.
You got 4 players who have all contributed significant starting playing time. Hell of an accomplishment for any draft as it appears to this point.
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2018 Draft
Nov 25, 2019 19:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 25, 2019 19:00:13 GMT -5
Hernandez is anything but average. Probably has the safest bet for a long career of any draft pick. You got 4 players who have all contributed significant starting playing time. Hell of an accomplishment for any draft as it appears to this point. Starting playing time on a 2-9 teams means literally nothing. 11 Players HAVE to start even if some suck.....
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 25, 2019 19:02:52 GMT -5
David Wilson was never a first round talent tho he had ball security issues in college pass pro problems he was a project. Barkely was a 10 times better prospect and as the OP seems to have forgotten hasn't lost fumble in almost 2 years and combined for over 2000 yards when healthy last year lol. If you don't like Dave Gettlemen fine but trying to crap on really good players to prove your point not cool. These are the kind of threads that ruin the integrity of the board as a whole agenda based BS. Speaking of agenda based BS...David Wilson had 3 fumbles total in college. He also rushed for over 1700 yards his junior year (he declared after that) and was a good pass catcher that didn't get utilized in that way a lot because it's not how VTs offense was built. He was also an elite athlete. Absolutely a first round talent. He went right around his projection where we took him (which was 32). He also led college football in yards after first contact his junior year. Of course Barkley is the better prospect, but it's weird to diminish the talent of a guy that had a chance to be really dynamic in the league but didn't get that opportunity because his career was cut short due to injury. Oh and when he got his hands on the ball for the short time he was with the Giants he constantly showed game breaking speed and athleticism. Had he been okay, I was salivating at an offense that contained him, Cruz, and Beckham. I think we all were. He ended up a return man, Before they found out he had a spinal condition that wasn't an injury but hereditary. What I read and saw he was a raw talent with the exact issues I read and Mike Mayock pointed out. When he came to the Giants they all came to the top that is why he was a return man and a good one at the end. I have nothing against Wilson. That was a bad top 2 for the Giants even Mayock who was a Giants homer couldn't believe they took more so Randle in the second. If I remember correctly none of the backs were 1st round worthy maybe second. they panicked when Martin came off the board.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 25, 2019 19:09:59 GMT -5
David Wilson was never a first round talent tho he had ball security issues in college pass pro problems he was a project. Barkely was a 10 times better prospect and as the OP seems to have forgotten hasn't lost fumble in almost 2 years and combined for over 2000 yards when healthy last year lol. If you don't like Dave Gettlemen fine but trying to crap on really good players to prove your point not cool. These are the kind of threads that ruin the integrity of the board as a whole agenda based BS. Speaking of agenda based BS...David Wilson had 3 fumbles total in college. He also rushed for over 1700 yards his junior year (he declared after that) and was a good pass catcher that didn't get utilized in that way a lot because it's not how VTs offense was built. He was also an elite athlete. Absolutely a first round talent. He went right around his projection where we took him (which was 32). He also led college football in yards after first contact his junior year. Of course Barkley is the better prospect, but it's weird to diminish the talent of a guy that had a chance to be really dynamic in the league but didn't get that opportunity because his career was cut short due to injury. Oh and when he got his hands on the ball for the short time he was with the Giants he constantly showed game breaking speed and athleticism. Had he been okay, I was salivating at an offense that contained him, Cruz, and Beckham. I think we all were. Not trying to be nasty never do. Did like Wilson but what you found and what was reported on him are 2 different things. And what was reported came true as a pro he fumbled a lot and couldn't pass protect thats how he ended up on teams. No denying the athletic ability.
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Post by lexington11 on Nov 25, 2019 20:45:23 GMT -5
Barkley - Has proven himself to be a HR hitter who dances behind the LOS rather than seeking positive gain on the average play. Has not lived up to his draft status, not close. Hernandez - Starter level, but average Carter - Solid extra LB Hill - Was playing fairly well and was then rendered a PT role player by the Williams trade Lauletta - Cut 2nd Round 4 traded for Ogletree who will be cut this offseason. barkley..lmao..he's obviously not 100% and the run play calling is awful. what were barkleys numbers last year? yep, yet another knee jerk reaction. classic, thanks!
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 25, 2019 21:45:19 GMT -5
Barkley - Has proven himself to be a HR hitter who dances behind the LOS rather than seeking positive gain on the average play. Has not lived up to his draft status, not close. Hernandez - Starter level, but average Carter - Solid extra LB Hill - Was playing fairly well and was then rendered a PT role player by the Williams trade Lauletta - Cut 2nd Round 4 traded for Ogletree who will be cut this offseason. barkley..lmao..he's obviously not 100% and the run play calling is awful. what were barkleys numbers last year? yep, yet another knee jerk reaction. classic, thanks! Barkley’s 2019 is showing the myriad of reasons he was a bad selection. RBs are injury prone, a high ankle sprain has turned his season into rubbish RBs are blocking reliant, well duh. This GM made the Oline his mission statement in February 2018 when he was hired. Why is Nick Chubb contending for a rushing title behind the Browns terrible Oline? Giants took the Almighty Zeitler from him. It’s becawuss Chubb attacks the LOS like a bull in a china shop while Barkley stops, hops, dances in a Barry Sanders/Reggie Bush manner. Great for Sportscenter highlights, terrible for sustaining offense. Take out Barkley’s top 3 runs this year and he averages 2 yards a carry. The guy is a losing football player.
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Post by thetruth on Nov 26, 2019 3:18:39 GMT -5
barkley..lmao..he's obviously not 100% and the run play calling is awful. what were barkleys numbers last year? yep, yet another knee jerk reaction. classic, thanks! Barkley’s 2019 is showing the myriad of reasons he was a bad selection. RBs are injury prone, a high ankle sprain has turned his season into rubbish RBs are blocking reliant, well duh. This GM made the Oline his mission statement in February 2018 when he was hired. Why is Nick Chubb contending for a rushing title behind the Browns terrible Oline? Giants took the Almighty Zeitler from him. It’s becawuss Chubb attacks the LOS like a bull in a china shop while Barkley stops, hops, dances in a Barry Sanders/Reggie Bush manner. Great for Sportscenter highlights, terrible for sustaining offense. Take out Barkley’s top 3 runs this year and he averages 2 yards a carry. The guy is a losing football player. Kind of why the RB is often thought of as a luxury pick. You get a good one if you have most of your other holes filled. But hey, Gettlemen thinks thats hogwash
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 26, 2019 5:35:32 GMT -5
This is why it takes years to judge these drafts. What if Barkley is never the same and deals with injuries ala David Wilson? That pick would look atrocious. Yeah, hopefully not, but that is the main reason I didn't want a RB at 2. They typically get hit harder and more often than any other position. Looks even worse after the report that Denver offered an additional first rounder and a second rounder to move up from 5 to 2.
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Post by southerner on Nov 26, 2019 7:28:10 GMT -5
Yeah, the questions about choosing Barkley at no. 2 will definitely get louder this offseason.......and they should.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 26, 2019 7:37:27 GMT -5
Barkley - Has proven himself to be a HR hitter who dances behind the LOS rather than seeking positive gain on the average play. Has not lived up to his draft status, not close. Hernandez - Starter level, but average Carter - Solid extra LB Hill - Was playing fairly well and was then rendered a PT role player by the Williams trade Lauletta - Cut 2nd Round 4 traded for Ogletree who will be cut this offseason. barkley..lmao..he's obviously not 100% and the run play calling is awful. what were barkleys numbers last year? yep, yet another knee jerk reaction. classic, thanks! Barkley’s not even on the injury report at all. Did his ankle make him drop that pass right in his hands against the Bears? Or cause him to put up zero resistance on his pass blocking? If excuses were wins, this team would be undefeated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 7:53:34 GMT -5
All the crap some fans have taken for what is turning out to be correct with that bad Barkley pick! I hope this season has just spiraled down which makes this bad stuff get magnified or enhanced due to failed coaching. Now they will be in position for a top pick again and so far I've not been a fan of either of Getty's 1st picks so lets see if he completes the hat trick and does the only thing I think he shouldn't..
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 7:54:57 GMT -5
barkley..lmao..he's obviously not 100% and the run play calling is awful. what were barkleys numbers last year? yep, yet another knee jerk reaction. classic, thanks! Barkley’s not even on the injury report at all. Did his ankle make him drop that pass right in his hands against the Bears? Or cause him to put up zero resistance on his pass blocking? If excuses were wins, this team would be undefeated. [br DG, this Oline, and Saquon Barkley are all intertwined. The line and Barkley were DG’s stamp on this roster. Both are his. Yet the Jokeksnd Raiders put together a better running game in their managements 2 years. The Browns GM was hired at the same time as well, Chubb is 10 yards off the rushing lead and they hand Kareem Hunt to boot, both playing behind a line that is weaker than ours they just took Zeitler from them. Then there is record. Raiders 6-5, Browns 5-6, Giants 2-9. These guys all took over at the same time. Others are improving, for the Giants it’s “too soon to evaluate”. NO IT ISNT.
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Post by Speedman on Nov 26, 2019 10:30:13 GMT -5
Barkley was the best player on the Giants last year and that includes OBJ. Now all of the idiots come out to bash Barkley. ****ing amazing.
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Nov 26, 2019 10:36:41 GMT -5
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Post by giantsback2020 on Nov 26, 2019 10:36:41 GMT -5
Barkley was the best player on the Giants last year and that includes OBJ. Now all of the idiots come out to bash Barkley. ****ing amazing. Best player on a 5-11 team? Now he’s an average player on a 2-9 team? We were told he’s a golden jacket player. He’s not even the best TB from his draft class. See Nick Chubb and Philip Lyndsay. Both on bad teams, but rest assured anyone who argues Barkley is better will ignore excuses that could be made for them as well. Health and talent go hand in hand at RB because unlike other positions RBs rely solely on their physical ability. If Barkley isn’t 100% his skill is gone.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 26, 2019 10:37:53 GMT -5
barkley..lmao..he's obviously not 100% and the run play calling is awful. what were barkleys numbers last year? yep, yet another knee jerk reaction. classic, thanks! Barkley’s not even on the injury report at all. Did his ankle make him drop that pass right in his hands against the Bears? Or cause him to put up zero resistance on his pass blocking? If excuses were wins, this team would be undefeated. Thats the odd thing. IF Barkley isnt injured, he has lost motivation and willingness to be great (this year anyway). And that is something when I saw his personality I didnt think would ever be a characteristic of his. Really depressing.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 26, 2019 10:39:38 GMT -5
Barkley was the best player on the Giants last year and that includes OBJ. Now all of the idiots come out to bash Barkley. ****ing amazing. Are people bashing Barkley or just trying to figure out if he is injured or not? And wondering why he is struggling bad this season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 10:45:25 GMT -5
Barkley was the best player on the Giants last year and that includes OBJ. Now all of the idiots come out to bash Barkley. ****ing amazing. His amazingly terrible blocking deserves every bit of bashing!
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