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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 3, 2019 19:00:23 GMT -5
He’s at the bottom of my list personally and here is why:
1) He runs an option style offense, Baylor’s leading rusher is their QB who had run the ball 130 times
2) He is coaching in Waco, TX which is just about the opposite NYC
3) He has no experience developing a QB nor does he run a pro style scheme I’d want Jones in
What am I missing?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 3, 2019 19:02:45 GMT -5
Lots of good points. I dont know enough about him. All I know is he turned Temple and Baylor around quickly. Really means nothing in the NFL however since he isnt recruiting like in college.
I wonder what happened to the love for Shaw from Stanford.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 3, 2019 19:18:12 GMT -5
All good points and I can't speak for the guys who want him. I would assume the major reasons would be that he helped turn around a football program and he's something "different" from what the Giants typically look for. He also has ties to the org during the Coughlin era.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 3, 2019 19:30:22 GMT -5
All good points and I can't speak for the guys who want him. I would assume the major reasons would be that he helped turn around a football program and he's something "different" from what the Giants typically look for. He also has ties to the org during the Coughlin era. He didn’t turn Baylor around, Baylor won 11-11-10 in 2013-2015. They were a strong program before Rhule got there. His only NFL experience was 2012 as an assistant Oline coach here and the Oline stunk. I wouldn’t interview this guy, let alone hire him. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 3, 2019 19:33:46 GMT -5
All good points and I can't speak for the guys who want him. I would assume the major reasons would be that he helped turn around a football program and he's something "different" from what the Giants typically look for. He also has ties to the org during the Coughlin era. He didn’t turn Baylor around, Baylor won 11-11-10 in 2013-2015. They were a strong program before Rhule got there. His only NFL experience was 2012 as an assistant Oline coach here and the Oline stunk. I wouldn’t interview this guy, let alone hire him. Baylor got a death blow though from the sexual assault scandals. He helped dig them out of that dark time. He deserves some credit for doing that. |
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Post by giants8493 on Dec 3, 2019 19:36:40 GMT -5
Lots of good points. I dont know enough about him. All I know is he turned Temple and Baylor around quickly. Really means nothing in the NFL however since he isnt recruiting like in college. I wonder what happened to the love for Shaw from Stanford. I think everyone gave up on shaw coming to the NFL. I thought he was a top coaching candidate for years but maybe he is ready to move on! |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 3, 2019 19:41:21 GMT -5
He didn’t turn Baylor around, Baylor won 11-11-10 in 2013-2015. They were a strong program before Rhule got there. His only NFL experience was 2012 as an assistant Oline coach here and the Oline stunk. I wouldn’t interview this guy, let alone hire him. Baylor got a death blow though from the sexual assault scandals. He helped dig them out of that dark time. He deserves some credit for doing that. When was the dark time? A year period? They were very good In 2015. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 3, 2019 20:05:14 GMT -5
Baylor got a death blow though from the sexual assault scandals. He helped dig them out of that dark time. He deserves some credit for doing that. When was the dark time? A year period? They were very good In 2015. Yes. A very dark time. Maybe it would have destroyed the program if not for Rhule. They lost a ton of recruits and scholarships. For him to get the team back to where it was after that scandal so quickly was very impressive. That's why people like him |
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Post by sundown on Dec 3, 2019 20:16:31 GMT -5
Living in Dallas I know a lot about Baylor. Before the scandal Briles had that program clicking, so much so he was beginning to pull recruits from UT. The rape scandal was big time bad. Rhule coaching scheme isn’t my cup of tea but he’s done a good job keeping ish together there. Between them, TCU and SMU, those squads have been good the last few years
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 3, 2019 20:41:09 GMT -5
When was the dark time? A year period? They were very good In 2015. Yes. A very dark time. Maybe it would have destroyed the program if not for Rhule. They lost a ton of recruits and scholarships. For him to get the team back to where it was after that scandal so quickly was very impressive. That's why people like him I don’t correlate that situation to being a good NFL HC. I see Baylor as a situation that had proven processes for success that were temporarily disrupted by a scandal. They were down down for 1 year. And that’s a small college town where he’s winning with a non-NFL style. Bad D, option offense. |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 4, 2019 5:44:41 GMT -5
All good points and I can't speak for the guys who want him. I would assume the major reasons would be that he helped turn around a football program and he's something "different" from what the Giants typically look for. He also has ties to the org during the Coughlin era. He didn’t turn Baylor around, Baylor won 11-11-10 in 2013-2015. They were a strong program before Rhule got there. His only NFL experience was 2012 as an assistant Oline coach here and the Oline stunk. I wouldn’t interview this guy, let alone hire him. He didn’t turn around Baylor? lol ...ok |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 4, 2019 7:05:26 GMT -5
He didn’t turn Baylor around, Baylor won 11-11-10 in 2013-2015. They were a strong program before Rhule got there. His only NFL experience was 2012 as an assistant Oline coach here and the Oline stunk. I wouldn’t interview this guy, let alone hire him. He didn’t turn around Baylor? lol ...ok 2017-2019 is Rhule If a program wins 39 games in a 4 year span prior to you taking over is that “rebuilding” a program? They had a temporary setback from a scandal where they lost some recruits and went 1-10 Rhule’s first year. And I’m not saying the guy isn’t a good college coach, he is. There are a lot of good college coaches. My main points on him are he runs an offense that doesn’t fit Daniel Jones. He has no experience developing an nfl style QB. He has virtually no NFL experience. And his HC experience e has come at Temple and in Waco, Tx. Hard Pass. |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 4, 2019 7:24:28 GMT -5
He didn’t turn around Baylor? lol ...ok 2017-2019 is Rhule If a program wins 39 games in a 4 year span prior to you taking over is that “rebuilding” a program? They had a temporary setback from a scandal where they lost some recruits and went 1-10 Rhule’s first year. And I’m not saying the guy isn’t a good college coach, he is. There are a lot of good college coaches. My main points on him are he runs an offense that doesn’t fit Daniel Jones. He has no experience developing an nfl style QB. He has virtually no NFL experience. And his HC experience e has come at Temple and in Waco, Tx. Hard Pass. Who is your candidate? |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 4, 2019 7:41:15 GMT -5
www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/baylor/index.html2017-2019 is Rhule If a program wins 39 games in a 4 year span prior to you taking over is that “rebuilding” a program? They had a temporary setback from a scandal where they lost some recruits and went 1-10 Rhule’s first year. And I’m not saying the guy isn’t a good college coach, he is. There are a lot of good college coaches. My main points on him are he runs an offense that doesn’t fit Daniel Jones. He has no experience developing an nfl style QB. He has virtually no NFL experience. And his HC experience e has come at Temple and in Waco, Tx. Hard Pass. Who is your candidate? Mike McCarthy with a set it and forget it DC like Rivera. To me there are 2 boxes that need to me checked for the next guy. 1) Proven as an NFL HC 2) Will help Jones progress That’s McCarthy. I’d also have interest in Jim Harbaugh if he leaves Michigan. |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 4, 2019 7:49:35 GMT -5
Mike McCarthy with a set it and forget it DC like Rivera. To me there are 2 boxes that need to me checked for the next guy. 1) Proven as an NFL HC 2) Will help Jones progress That’s McCarthy. I’d also have interest in Jim Harbaugh if he leaves Michigan. I’m a Michigan fan and want nothing to do with Harbaugh. I think that McCarthy will definitely be in the mix, since that is the type of stubborn “in the box” thinking that has made us the worst team in the NFL over the last 3 seasons |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 4, 2019 7:56:00 GMT -5
Mike McCarthy with a set it and forget it DC like Rivera. To me there are 2 boxes that need to me checked for the next guy. 1) Proven as an NFL HC 2) Will help Jones progress That’s McCarthy. I’d also have interest in Jim Harbaugh if he leaves Michigan. I’m a Michigan fan and want nothing to do with Harbaugh. I think that McCarthy will definitely be in the mix, since that is the type of stubborn “in the box” thinking that has made us the worst team in the NFL over the last 3 seasons The thinking that hurt us was forcing Eli on McAdoo and Shurmur. McAdoo won 11 games then wanted to move on from Eli. He’s been proven right. The issue with McAdoo and Shurmur is they don’t have HC personalities. They are socially awkward. McAdoo with his oversized suit then trying to look like Mike Ditka. Shurmur who is mentally weak and can’t even answer basic questions after a game, ran and hid from Fat Mike Francesa. McCarthy is a Head Coach who knows QBs. He developed Rodgers and had Matt Flynn looking so good he tricked the Seattle Seahawks a very smart organization into paying him. |
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