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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 17, 2020 19:42:28 GMT -5
The blinding Yankee hate is strong with that one. Duh get it right, it’s Yankme’s! 😎 I thought it was the Bankees? Or Yankers? I always get a kick out of it. I still like the Mets. I just wish they would go all in for a bat.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 17, 2020 20:11:46 GMT -5
I just checked the "MLB smackdown on Astros" thread... Why weren't you all up in arms over the players not being suspended "before" the Beltran firing? It seems it became an issue for you "after" the Mets solely made their decision withOUT any outside pressure from MLB. I have already stated that it should have stopped with management. A player was now held accountable. A major league team acknowledging (a player and he was at the time) should be held accountable . That opens the door for the rest of the players that knew that the integrity of the game was compromised. This ain't football air pressure or filming practice. This in game real time cheating . The law suits have already started. Do you think the Vegas casinos, odds makers , online betting firms, Individual who placed bets thinking the odds were sound are not going bring a case? MLB is going to be forced to clean house on all involve to re-ensure the integrity of the game. Like I said Pete Rose was banned for life for betting on his team to win . This is way beyond that. It is an entire team for multiple seasons. What everyone that had knowledge of the cheating allowed the integrity of the game to be compromised. This is rabbit hole is deeper than you guys think. Jeff & Brodie fired Beltran. Nobody else did, and Manfred never suspended Beltran. So if you want to be angry at anybody, be angry at the Wilponzies and the slick salesman for letting Beltran go.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 17, 2020 20:41:13 GMT -5
I just checked the "MLB smackdown on Astros" thread... Why weren't you all up in arms over the players not being suspended "before" the Beltran firing? It seems it became an issue for you "after" the Mets solely made their decision withOUT any outside pressure from MLB. Well, Beltran is the only player - and also probably not coincidentally, the only non active player - punished for this so far. It's nearly impossible to sell the idea that every player and coach didn't know what was going on, I believe they did. But it's up to MLB to decode how they want to handle this. I've already seen stories accusing Altuve of wearing a buzzer to tip him off on pitches. This could get hugely messy or it could get swept under the rug. It's up to MLB. But if it's not swept under the rug, get ready for a ton of this: "But there is a disturbing account of the wink-wink level of how elements of the Astros’ system spread. Before the 2019 season, the New York Yankees hired Beltran as a special assistant to General Manager Brian Cashman. Last June, Boston gave up 29 runs in a two-game series sweep at the hands of the Yankees in London. Afterward, Cora addressed the sweep, and brought up Beltran — unsolicited. “I was joking with somebody that their biggest free agent acquisition was Carlos Beltran,” Cora said just before providing an exaggerated wink. “I know how he works. He’s helping a lot … I’m not saying ‘devices,’ all that stuff. It’s just stuff that the game will dictate, and we’ll scream at people and it’s right there. Throughout the evening, I was looking and I saw it.” In the moment, huh? But nearly seven months later, there’s new context to what Cora was talking about. And yet Cora is out of a job, and Beltran is about to start his."www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mlb/mlb-wont-punish-cheating-astros-players-and-thats-not-right/2020/01/15/7a41139c-37c1-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.htmlBeltran was not punished though. He never got any fine or suspension from MLB. If Jeff and Brodie didn't fire Beltran, he would've been able to manage the Mets in 2020 and beyond. I read somewhere that Beltran tried to convince Jeff & Brodie not to fire him, that he could "take the heat". As for Cora's comments after the two games in London last June. There is no way Cora would know if Beltran set up a technological cheating scam for the New York Yankees, and even if he did. How would Beltran and the Yankees set up this technological scheme in a stadium across the pond that was not built for baseball?
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 18, 2020 4:25:08 GMT -5
So Betances coming off all those injuries? We needed another reliever and he has a big highside. We have 2 badly under-performing relievers in Familia and Diaz and are adding another question mark. I think its worth it for a one year deal though. Could be a fearsome pen if all three recover. Or pretty pathetic again if they dont. he is going to be good. I like this signing.
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Post by TEM on Jan 18, 2020 8:17:53 GMT -5
The blinding Yankee hate is strong with that one. The commish has already publicly stated he was not going to go after players for a variety of good reasons. And why a pitcher would be more deserving of punishment just because he got a big contract? The logic eludes me... That is like saying apples are red.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 18, 2020 12:23:41 GMT -5
The commish has already publicly stated he was not going to go after players for a variety of good reasons. And why a pitcher would be more deserving of punishment just because he got a big contract? The logic eludes me... That is like saying apples are red. Right. This from the guy who claimed McAdoo was holding back the offense on purpose. Is that the same logic being used here?
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Post by TEM on Jan 18, 2020 12:33:20 GMT -5
That is like saying apples are red. Right. This from the guy who claimed McAdoo was holding back the offense on purpose. Is that the same logic being used here? It is because you are to stupid to know what cheating is. It is provable by you not being able say he hand no first hand knowledge of it . As you said "logic eludes you" That is the most accurate statement you have ever made.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 18, 2020 13:13:57 GMT -5
Right. This from the guy who claimed McAdoo was holding back the offense on purpose. Is that the same logic being used here? It is because you are to stupid to know what cheating is. It is provable by you not being able say he hand no first hand knowledge of it . As you said "logic eludes you" That is the most accurate statement you have ever made. Ok, let me get this straight. The Commissioner of Baseball has publicly stated that: “Most of the position players on the 2017 team either received sign information from the banging scheme or participated in the scheme by helping to decode signs or bang on the trash can” and that “they knew the scheme was wrong.”He follows with, “assessing discipline of players for this type of conduct is both difficult and impractical,” and is on the record that he will not be disciplining the players. So he admits the players cheated, but says he cant/wont discipline individual players. This comports with previous warnings that were given to every team a couple years ago that management would be held responsible for cheating, not players.And yet with all this, you still claim that a former Astros pitcher (who even doesnt bat in the AL) somehow has a target on his back because he signed a big deal with the Yankees. For reasons that are apparent only to you. This is not an isolated incident with you. Again, while McAdoos offense was almost last in the league for 2 years, you were insisting it was because he was holding back his best plays, and that he was smart to be doing it. But I'm stupid...
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 18, 2020 13:19:04 GMT -5
Well, Beltran is the only player - and also probably not coincidentally, the only non active player - punished for this so far. It's nearly impossible to sell the idea that every player and coach didn't know what was going on, I believe they did. But it's up to MLB to decode how they want to handle this. I've already seen stories accusing Altuve of wearing a buzzer to tip him off on pitches. This could get hugely messy or it could get swept under the rug. It's up to MLB. But if it's not swept under the rug, get ready for a ton of this: "But there is a disturbing account of the wink-wink level of how elements of the Astros’ system spread. Before the 2019 season, the New York Yankees hired Beltran as a special assistant to General Manager Brian Cashman. Last June, Boston gave up 29 runs in a two-game series sweep at the hands of the Yankees in London. Afterward, Cora addressed the sweep, and brought up Beltran — unsolicited. “I was joking with somebody that their biggest free agent acquisition was Carlos Beltran,” Cora said just before providing an exaggerated wink. “I know how he works. He’s helping a lot … I’m not saying ‘devices,’ all that stuff. It’s just stuff that the game will dictate, and we’ll scream at people and it’s right there. Throughout the evening, I was looking and I saw it.” In the moment, huh? But nearly seven months later, there’s new context to what Cora was talking about. And yet Cora is out of a job, and Beltran is about to start his."www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mlb/mlb-wont-punish-cheating-astros-players-and-thats-not-right/2020/01/15/7a41139c-37c1-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.htmlBeltran was not punished though. He never got any fine or suspension from MLB. If Jeff and Brodie didn't fire Beltran, he would've been able to manage the Mets in 2020 and beyond. I read somewhere that Beltran tried to convince Jeff & Brodie not to fire him, that he could "take the heat". As for Cora's comments after the two games in London last June. There is no way Cora would know if Beltran set up a technological cheating scam for the New York Yankees, and even if he did. How would Beltran and the Yankees set up this technological scheme in a stadium across the pond that was not built for baseball? I haven’t seen any reports on a firing, I read he stepped down?
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Post by TEM on Jan 18, 2020 13:22:04 GMT -5
It is because you are to stupid to know what cheating is. It is provable by you not being able say he hand no first hand knowledge of it . As you said "logic eludes you" That is the most accurate statement you have ever made. Ok, let me get this straight. The Commissioner of Baseball has publicly stated that: “Most of the position players on the 2017 team either received sign information from the banging scheme or participated in the scheme by helping to decode signs or bang on the trash can” and that “they knew the scheme was wrong.”He follows with, “assessing discipline of players for this type of conduct is both difficult and impractical,” and is on the record that he will not be disciplining the players. So he admits the players cheated, but says he cant/wont discipline individual players. This comports with previous warnings that were given to every team a couple years ago that management would be held responsible for cheating, not players.And yet with all this, you still claim that a former Astros pitcher (who even doesnt bat in the AL) somehow has a target on his back because he signed a big deal with the Yankees. For reasons that are apparent only to you. This is not an isolated incident with you. Again, while McAdoos offense was almost last in the league for 2 years, you were insisting it was because he was holding back his best plays, and that he was smart to be doing it. But I'm stupid... The mets said during their Press conference MLB is not done with Player involvement. As I said the law suits have started. This is no different than 1919 with all the players that took part in it. You may think with your I just drove the car and did not actually rob the bank defense is going to be pushed under the rug. Go with that. The betting industry is going to dive this.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 18, 2020 13:45:04 GMT -5
Dusty Baker a possibility? That seems way too intelligent a move for the Mess.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 18, 2020 14:27:05 GMT -5
Ok, let me get this straight. The Commissioner of Baseball has publicly stated that: “Most of the position players on the 2017 team either received sign information from the banging scheme or participated in the scheme by helping to decode signs or bang on the trash can” and that “they knew the scheme was wrong.”He follows with, “assessing discipline of players for this type of conduct is both difficult and impractical,” and is on the record that he will not be disciplining the players. So he admits the players cheated, but says he cant/wont discipline individual players. This comports with previous warnings that were given to every team a couple years ago that management would be held responsible for cheating, not players.And yet with all this, you still claim that a former Astros pitcher (who even doesnt bat in the AL) somehow has a target on his back because he signed a big deal with the Yankees. For reasons that are apparent only to you. This is not an isolated incident with you. Again, while McAdoos offense was almost last in the league for 2 years, you were insisting it was because he was holding back his best plays, and that he was smart to be doing it. But I'm stupid... The mets said during their Press conference MLB is not done with Player involvement. As I said the law suits have started. This is no different than 1919 with all the players that took part in it. You may think with your I just drove the car and did not actually rob the bank defense is going to be pushed under the rug. Go with that. The betting industry is going to dive this. I never defended the players or claimed they should get off scott-free, so please dont put words in my mouth. I'm just pointing out that MLB has already stated they will not punish individual players. Can you provide a link to a lawsuit that has already started? I searched google and all I see is speculation. Also, the player you are singling out (Cole), is a pitcher. He rarely if ever hits. On what grounds does anyone have to sue him? I'm not saying there will never be any lawsuits, but there is a big difference between placing a lawsuit and winning the lawsuit. You are specifically saying Cole will be targeted. Sounds like more tin-foil-hat stuff to me.
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Post by TEM on Jan 18, 2020 14:52:58 GMT -5
The mets said during their Press conference MLB is not done with Player involvement. As I said the law suits have started. This is no different than 1919 with all the players that took part in it. You may think with your I just drove the car and did not actually rob the bank defense is going to be pushed under the rug. Go with that. The betting industry is going to dive this. I never defended the players or claimed they should get off scott-free, so please dont put words in my mouth. I'm just pointing out that MLB has already stated they will not punish individual players. Can you provide a link to a lawsuit that has already started? I searched google and all I see is speculation. Also, the player you are singling out (Cole), is a pitcher. He rarely if ever hits. On what grounds does anyone have to sue him? I'm not saying there will never be any lawsuits, but there is a big difference between placing a lawsuit and winning the lawsuit. You are specifically saying Cole will be targeted. Sounds like more tin-foil-hat stuff to me.My bad on your first sentence I apologize. As soon as the player Beltran was brought into this That MLB is not going after player went put the window. It was announce on the News Congress may investigate "the players role in this". ( betting lobby most likely fueled this) As far as pitchers. I used Coal as an example because he is the biggest name and paid the most . Just him "having knowledge of the cheating" that directly he benefited from. Is not an exemption of guilt. Knowing and doing nothing to expose it is an acceptance of of the indiscretion. Not only is it participating in the eyes of the law . It shows lack of individual ethics. bleacherreport.com/articles/2871927-congressman-bobby-rush-calls-for-congressional-oversight-on-mlb-cheating-scandalThis is not quietly being swept under the rug. This 1919 allover again.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 18, 2020 15:35:47 GMT -5
Beltran was not punished though. He never got any fine or suspension from MLB. If Jeff and Brodie didn't fire Beltran, he would've been able to manage the Mets in 2020 and beyond. I read somewhere that Beltran tried to convince Jeff & Brodie not to fire him, that he could "take the heat". As for Cora's comments after the two games in London last June. There is no way Cora would know if Beltran set up a technological cheating scam for the New York Yankees, and even if he did. How would Beltran and the Yankees set up this technological scheme in a stadium across the pond that was not built for baseball? I haven’t seen any reports on a firing, I read he stepped down? If he was pleading for them not to let him go, I'd call it a firing.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 18, 2020 16:20:15 GMT -5
I haven’t seen any reports on a firing, I read he stepped down? If he was pleading for them not to let him go, I'd call it a firing. You can certainly call it that. It doesn't matter what you choose to call it since you have no actual knowledge of or ability to know anything about what happened.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 18, 2020 16:52:37 GMT -5
If he was pleading for them not to let him go, I'd call it a firing. You can certainly call it that. It doesn't matter what you choose to call it since you have no actual knowledge of or ability to know anything about what happened. Well, if Michael Kay says on his radio show that he received info on the situation that Carlos Beltran pleaded to Jeff Wilpon and Brodie Vanwag to not let him go, that he could take the heat, then I'm going to put significant weight on what Michael Kay publicly stated. So it's not what I choose to call. It's what I receive from a credible and reliable source "IMO", who indeed has inside access to these kind of things.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jan 18, 2020 19:43:54 GMT -5
If he was pleading for them not to let him go, I'd call it a firing. You can certainly call it that. It doesn't matter what you choose to call it since you have no actual knowledge of or ability to know anything about what happened. I just find it irrelevant. People on death row beg for their life. What’s he significance of Beltran pleading for his job? Coupons are sensitive enough about all the bad pub they get for acting like the Royals in NYC. I didn’t disagree, but I knew Beltran was toast. Keeping him would have took some sack. That would never happen with some little bitches like the Wilpons.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jan 18, 2020 20:25:37 GMT -5
You can certainly call it that. It doesn't matter what you choose to call it since you have no actual knowledge of or ability to know anything about what happened. I just find it irrelevant. People on death row beg for their life. What’s he significance of Beltran pleading for his job? Coupons are sensitive enough about all the bad pub they get for acting like the Royals in NYC. I didn’t disagree, but I knew Beltran was toast. Keeping him would have took some sack. That would never happen with some little bitches like the Wilpons. So you agree that people on death row don't step down (or should I say, step up) to be executed.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 18, 2020 22:03:40 GMT -5
I never defended the players or claimed they should get off scott-free, so please dont put words in my mouth. I'm just pointing out that MLB has already stated they will not punish individual players. Can you provide a link to a lawsuit that has already started? I searched google and all I see is speculation. Also, the player you are singling out (Cole), is a pitcher. He rarely if ever hits. On what grounds does anyone have to sue him? I'm not saying there will never be any lawsuits, but there is a big difference between placing a lawsuit and winning the lawsuit. You are specifically saying Cole will be targeted. Sounds like more tin-foil-hat stuff to me.My bad on your first sentence I apologize. As soon as the player Beltran was brought into this That MLB is not going after player went put the window. It was announce on the News Congress may investigate "the players role in this". ( betting lobby most likely fueled this) As far as pitchers. I used Coal as an example because he is the biggest name and paid the most . Just him "having knowledge of the cheating" that directly he benefited from. Is not an exemption of guilt. Knowing and doing nothing to expose it is an acceptance of of the indiscretion. Not only is it participating in the eyes of the law . It shows lack of individual ethics. bleacherreport.com/articles/2871927-congressman-bobby-rush-calls-for-congressional-oversight-on-mlb-cheating-scandalThis is not quietly being swept under the rug. This 1919 allover again. .
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 18, 2020 22:07:45 GMT -5
My bad on your first sentence I apologize. As soon as the player Beltran was brought into this That MLB is not going after player went put the window. It was announce on the News Congress may investigate "the players role in this". ( betting lobby most likely fueled this) As far as pitchers. I used Coal as an example because he is the biggest name and paid the most . Just him "having knowledge of the cheating" that directly he benefited from. Is not an exemption of guilt. Knowing and doing nothing to expose it is an acceptance of of the indiscretion. Not only is it participating in the eyes of the law . It shows lack of individual ethics. bleacherreport.com/articles/2871927-congressman-bobby-rush-calls-for-congressional-oversight-on-mlb-cheating-scandalThis is not quietly being swept under the rug. This 1919 allover again. Wow, Congress, really? I'm pretty sure they are kinda busy at the moment... Bro, teams have been stealing signs since baseball was invented. This is definitely a more organized way to do it, but other teams were aware of it for some time, and all they had to do to beat it was to change up their signs. Which they should be doing anyway. It was also reported recently that pitchers use foreign substances to get more movement on their pitches (which has also been done since baseball was invented.) OMG, is Congress going to investigate that too? Maybe they can sue Cole for that instead? It actually IS going to be quietly swept under the rug. MLB and the Players Union have a new contract to negotiate, and this silliness is not going to get in the way of the $$$. And your tin-foil-hat theory of the "betting lobby" knows they will lose more revenue over a player strike than they possibly could over any sign stealing.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 18, 2020 23:34:03 GMT -5
You can certainly call it that. It doesn't matter what you choose to call it since you have no actual knowledge of or ability to know anything about what happened. Well, if Michael Kay says on his radio show that he received info on the situation that Carlos Beltran pleaded to Jeff Wilpon and Brodie Vanwag to not let him go, that he could take the heat, then I'm going to put significant weight on what Michael Kay publicly stated. So it's not what I choose to call. It's what I receive from a credible and reliable source "IMO", who indeed has inside access to these kind of things. Fair enough.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 22, 2020 13:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 22, 2020 13:47:13 GMT -5
He was on the slate of hires, right? Like I said, rookie manager I'm sure the money was right.
Maybe Van Wagenen is going the Yankee route and just hiring a puppet to implement the decisions made by the analytics team.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 22, 2020 19:00:03 GMT -5
He was on the slate of hires, right? Like I said, rookie manager I'm sure the money was right. Maybe Van Wagenen is going the Yankee route and just hiring a puppet to implement the decisions made by the analytics team. I think they wanted to get someone already familiar with the team at this late date. Spring training starts in 4 weeks.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Feb 4, 2020 18:20:07 GMT -5
Billionaire Steve Cohen’s bid to buy Mets is on life support. Steve Cohen’s $2.6 billion bid to buy the Mets is on life support — if alive at all. Sources close to the situation are confirming that the billionaire hedge fund manager is ending negotiations with the Wilpons on his purchase of an 80 percent stake in the franchise. According to those sources, Cohen is deeply unhappy with the Wilpons changing the terms of the deal at a very late stage and has decided to walk away. When rumors broke that the Cohen deal was dead on Tuesday, the Mets offered a strangely worded non-denial. “The parties are subject to confidentiality obligations, including a mutual non-disclosure agreement, and therefore cannot comment,” a statement read. nypost.com/2020/02/04/billionaire-steve-cohens-bid-to-buy-mets-is-on-life-support/
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Post by Parademon1 on Feb 4, 2020 18:25:49 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 4, 2020 19:12:11 GMT -5
Billionaire Steve Cohen’s bid to buy Mets is on life support. Steve Cohen’s $2.6 billion bid to buy the Mets is on life support — if alive at all. Sources close to the situation are confirming that the billionaire hedge fund manager is ending negotiations with the Wilpons on his purchase of an 80 percent stake in the franchise. According to those sources, Cohen is deeply unhappy with the Wilpons changing the terms of the deal at a very late stage and has decided to walk away. When rumors broke that the Cohen deal was dead on Tuesday, the Mets offered a strangely worded non-denial. “The parties are subject to confidentiality obligations, including a mutual non-disclosure agreement, and therefore cannot comment,” a statement read. nypost.com/2020/02/04/billionaire-steve-cohens-bid-to-buy-mets-is-on-life-support/Wow that's rough...
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 4, 2020 22:19:39 GMT -5
Billionaire Steve Cohen’s bid to buy Mets is on life support. Steve Cohen’s $2.6 billion bid to buy the Mets is on life support — if alive at all. Sources close to the situation are confirming that the billionaire hedge fund manager is ending negotiations with the Wilpons on his purchase of an 80 percent stake in the franchise. According to those sources, Cohen is deeply unhappy with the Wilpons changing the terms of the deal at a very late stage and has decided to walk away. When rumors broke that the Cohen deal was dead on Tuesday, the Mets offered a strangely worded non-denial. “The parties are subject to confidentiality obligations, including a mutual non-disclosure agreement, and therefore cannot comment,” a statement read. nypost.com/2020/02/04/billionaire-steve-cohens-bid-to-buy-mets-is-on-life-support/The Wilpons not honoring a deal? Shocking! And meanwhile the CF they need goes to a real team...
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Feb 4, 2020 22:50:07 GMT -5
Billionaire Steve Cohen’s bid to buy Mets is on life support. Steve Cohen’s $2.6 billion bid to buy the Mets is on life support — if alive at all. Sources close to the situation are confirming that the billionaire hedge fund manager is ending negotiations with the Wilpons on his purchase of an 80 percent stake in the franchise. According to those sources, Cohen is deeply unhappy with the Wilpons changing the terms of the deal at a very late stage and has decided to walk away. When rumors broke that the Cohen deal was dead on Tuesday, the Mets offered a strangely worded non-denial. “The parties are subject to confidentiality obligations, including a mutual non-disclosure agreement, and therefore cannot comment,” a statement read. nypost.com/2020/02/04/billionaire-steve-cohens-bid-to-buy-mets-is-on-life-support/The Wilpons not honoring a deal? Shocking! And meanwhile the CF they need goes to a real team... Maybe Cohen is pulling a business poker bluff to make the Wilponzies sweat?
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 4, 2020 23:18:56 GMT -5
"According to those sources, Cohen is deeply unhappy with the Wilpons changing the terms of the deal at a very late stage and has decided to walk away."
Is any Mets fan really surprised?
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