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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 14, 2019 8:52:08 GMT -5
A) I wanted Josh Allen at 2 in 2018 B) I’d have drafted pass rusher Josh Allen and let the board come to me at 17 Come 17 I’d have been fine with Jones or Lock. I’d person ally have tried dealing Round 2 or 3 for Rosen. The QB I did not like is Haskins given his off the field persona, his lack of mobility, and coming from a talent rich program that elevated his play. Fair enough.
Still too early to determine which path was the correct one.
As of right now, though, I wouldn't trade Jones straight up for Allen or Lock.
Jones turnovers don’t concern you? 2-8 is the worst record of any of the guys drafted the last 2 years and the majority were drafted into bad teams. I think Jones has flashed some good, but most QBs flash some good. Flashes v consistency are the difference between the average guy and the top guys. Jones has a nice touch and throws a good deep ball. He’s been terrible V zone coverage and he’s been terrible with his ball protection/pocket awareness. |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 9:00:48 GMT -5
Fair enough.
Still too early to determine which path was the correct one.
As of right now, though, I wouldn't trade Jones straight up for Allen or Lock.
Jones turnovers don’t concern you? 2-8 is the worst record of any of the guys drafted the last 2 years and the majority were drafted into bad teams. I think Jones has flashed some good, but most QBs flash some good. Flashes v consistency are the difference between the average guy and the top guys. Jones has a nice touch and throws a good deep ball. He’s been terrible V zone coverage and he’s been terrible with his ball protection/pocket awareness. The zone coverage thing is bogus ... that random Mom’s basement scout analysis was completely debunked. It was an embarrassment. Obviously, the turnovers concern me, but I think that is correctable. I am very confident that Jones is the guy |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 14, 2019 9:33:35 GMT -5
Jones turnovers don’t concern you? 2-8 is the worst record of any of the guys drafted the last 2 years and the majority were drafted into bad teams. I think Jones has flashed some good, but most QBs flash some good. Flashes v consistency are the difference between the average guy and the top guys. Jones has a nice touch and throws a good deep ball. He’s been terrible V zone coverage and he’s been terrible with his ball protection/pocket awareness. The zone coverage thing is bogus ... that random Mom’s basement scout analysis was completely debunked. It was an embarrassment. Obviously, the turnovers concern me, but I think that is correctable. I am very confident that Jones is the guy Possible. We are gonna be watching 2 QBs from the ‘18 class in the playoffs while sitting at 2-14 or 3-13, just a very frustrating process. Building a Football team isn’t brain surgery. DG has to go. |
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 16, 2019 14:02:44 GMT -5
By comparison Jones is 2-8 Did we miss again? Lock had a hard time competing passes yesterday and lead the team to 3 points! |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 16, 2019 14:08:41 GMT -5
By comparison Jones is 2-8 Did we miss again? Lock had a hard time competing passes yesterday and lead the team to 3 points! Did you see the blizzard? Lol |
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 16, 2019 14:36:51 GMT -5
Lock had a hard time competing passes yesterday and lead the team to 3 points! Did you see the blizzard? Lol Apparently Mahomes didn't. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 16, 2019 14:43:27 GMT -5
Jones turnovers don’t concern you? 2-8 is the worst record of any of the guys drafted the last 2 years and the majority were drafted into bad teams. I think Jones has flashed some good, but most QBs flash some good. Flashes v consistency are the difference between the average guy and the top guys. Jones has a nice touch and throws a good deep ball. He’s been terrible V zone coverage and he’s been terrible with his ball protection/pocket awareness. The zone coverage thing is bogus ... that random Mom’s basement scout analysis was completely debunked. It was an embarrassment. Obviously, the turnovers concern me, but I think that is correctable. I am very confident that Jones is the guyIm not there yet, but I already admitted he was much better in his rookie year than I thought he would be. He does show flashes, but most QBs do. Haskins just showed flashes yesterday. Lock has shown them. Minshew, Allen, Darnold, Mayfield has shown them. And obviously Lamar is showing them at a much more consistent level as of now. Im not sold on DJ yet, to be our franchise next 12-15 year QB, but Im not writing him off after this season either. We will also have to watch his durability through the next couple of years. He cant miss games every year. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 16, 2019 15:03:09 GMT -5
Did you see the blizzard? Lol Apparently Mahomes didn't. According to some old school fans we have to go back to building a team that plays conserve offense because you can't throw the ball in November and December in the northeast (or north or where its actually winter) |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 16, 2019 16:46:25 GMT -5
Did you see the blizzard? Lol Apparently Mahomes didn't. Are we comparing Jones and Lock to Mahomes? Mahomes is better, point taken..... |
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Post by KingCap88 on Dec 16, 2019 17:49:14 GMT -5
I like Jones, so I think it's too early to say the Giants missed until we see how he performs with a real coaching staff grooming him. But I will say that Jones has shown real poise as a rookie stepping in to replace Eli, and playing on a team that makes hot garbage look good.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 16, 2019 20:36:41 GMT -5
Apparently Mahomes didn't. Are we comparing Jones and Lock to Mahomes? Mahomes is better, point taken..... No. Apparently we’re (read: you) pimping Lock after two games but making excuses for his third. |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 16, 2019 20:52:55 GMT -5
Are we comparing Jones and Lock to Mahomes? Mahomes is better, point taken..... No. Apparently we’re (read: you) pimping Lock after two games but making excuses for his third. A blizzard is less than ideal passing conditions. Patrick Mahomes does not serve as a counterpoint. The tally is now 2-1 v 2-8 |
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 16, 2019 22:46:55 GMT -5
Apparently Mahomes didn't. Are we comparing Jones and Lock to Mahomes? Mahomes is better, point taken..... In a way |
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 16, 2019 22:47:37 GMT -5
No. Apparently we’re (read: you) pimping Lock after two games but making excuses for his third. A blizzard is less than ideal passing conditions. Patrick Mahomes does not serve as a counterpoint. The tally is now 2-1 v 2-8 Not to mention the teams they play on, huh? |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 16, 2019 23:28:08 GMT -5
A blizzard is less than ideal passing conditions. Patrick Mahomes does not serve as a counterpoint. The tally is now 2-1 v 2-8 Not to mention the teams they play on, huh? The teams are on the same level. |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 23, 2019 14:46:05 GMT -5
This thread is quiet today ....
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 23, 2019 17:27:02 GMT -5
This thread is quiet today .... Even the crickets are lonely |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 17:35:30 GMT -5
This thread is quiet today .... As is should be. |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 25, 2019 12:15:41 GMT -5
This thread is quiet today .... Drew Lock 3-1..... |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 25, 2019 15:23:11 GMT -5
This thread is quiet today .... Drew Lock 3-1..... Makes him a better QB than Eli, right? Higher career winning percentage.... |
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 25, 2019 15:37:19 GMT -5
Makes him a better QB than Eli, right? Higher career winning percentage.... Just makes him 3-1. Not a typical record for a rookie. |
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