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Post by bringsimmsback on Dec 12, 2019 19:52:13 GMT -5
I read just about everywhere that we have traded our 3rd and ether a 4th or 5th with everyone assuming the 3rd is our normal pick which will end up being the firs few picks in the third round. Has that been officially confirmed? Don't we have a comp pick in the third as well? Could it have been that pick? Just wondering because I'm hearing a lot of people killing Gettleman for the trade but it wouldn't be the first time folks ran around with their hair on fire over stuff they are imagining.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 12, 2019 20:00:12 GMT -5
I read just about everywhere that we have traded our 3rd and ether a 4th or 5th with everyone assuming the 3rd is our normal pick which will end up being the firs few picks in the third round. Has that been officially confirmed? Don't we have a comp pick in the third as well? Could it have been that pick? Just wondering because I'm hearing a lot of people killing Gettleman for the trade but it wouldn't be the first time folks ran around with their hair on fire over stuff they are imagining. I think it is our original 3rd. That said a lot of people are talking a lot of garbage until this is done and we see where to goes, there is nothing to say. Have to see what his market is and if we get a 3rd back for him if in fact he signs else where, all indictions are it's our 3rd that was traded and the jets paid 4 mill of his salary for that pick and the 5th or 4 th if he signs.
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Post by babybulls on Dec 12, 2019 20:10:32 GMT -5
And I think that 4th or 5th is for the following year, though not sure about that.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 12, 2019 20:10:45 GMT -5
We havent officially received the comp pick yet. Everyone expects it to be a 3rd comp pick. So no, that one cant be traded since it's not possessed by the Giants yet.
It's the original 3rd round pick. Pick 65ish.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 12, 2019 20:17:31 GMT -5
He’s being killed for good reason. It’s a 3rd this year and a 5th next year. If you want to get specific the 3rd is definite (which is the killer) a 5th in 2021 if he goes, a 4th is he signs an extension with the Giants.
You’re going to hear we could get a 3rd if this guy signs and another guy does a song and a dance. Point is, we gave up draft picks for what seems to be an average player at best. But I was told he was brought in to push the pocket so we have that going for us.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 12, 2019 20:19:57 GMT -5
Giants, should get a third round comp. pick , for Collins. Tate , was our only big signing last year. The difference in salary is hefty .
A team cannot trade a draft pick , they don’t posess.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Dec 12, 2019 20:43:03 GMT -5
Giants, should get a third round comp. pick , for Collins. Tate , was our only big signing last year. The difference in salary is hefty . A team cannot trade a draft pick , they don’t posess. I believe there could be contingencies saying the lower or lowest of all available 3rd round picks. If not, then I guess I'm raising non-questions.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 12, 2019 20:54:07 GMT -5
I read just about everywhere that we have traded our 3rd and ether a 4th or 5th with everyone assuming the 3rd is our normal pick which will end up being the firs few picks in the third round. Has that been officially confirmed? Don't we have a comp pick in the third as well? Could it have been that pick? Just wondering because I'm hearing a lot of people killing Gettleman for the trade but it wouldn't be the first time folks ran around with their hair on fire over stuff they are imagining. The comp pick won't be awarded to us until the end of March. We traded our 3rd round pick to the jets. The 66th overall (as of now) pick.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 12, 2019 20:57:22 GMT -5
And I think that 4th or 5th is for the following year, though not sure about that. It is a 2021 pick 5th round pick. The 5th round pick becomes a 4th round pick if the Giants sign Williams before the start of the new year 2020. Which is usually around March 9th-ish.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 12, 2019 20:57:34 GMT -5
And I think that 4th or 5th is for the following year, though not sure about that. Yes either would be 2021.
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Post by bluejayc on Dec 13, 2019 10:40:55 GMT -5
If you historically look at the Giants 3rd Round picks in the Reese era they essentially gave up nothing Wow this list makes me wanna vomit (save Mannigham): 2007 3 Jay Alford 2008 3 Mario Manningham 2009 3 Travis Beckum 2009 3 Ramses Barden 2010 3 Chad Jones 2011 3 Jerrel Jernigan 2012 3 Jayron Hosley 2013 3 Damontre Moore 2014 3 Jay Bromley 2015 3 Owamagbe Odighizuwa 2016 3 Darian Thompson 2017 3 Davis Webb
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 13, 2019 10:50:36 GMT -5
If you historically look at the Giants 3rd Round picks in the Reese era they essentially gave up nothing Wow this list makes me wanna vomit (save Mannigham): 2007 3 Jay Alford 2008 3 Mario Manningham 2009 3 Travis Beckum 2009 3 Ramses Barden 2010 3 Chad Jones 2011 3 Jerrel Jernigan 2012 3 Jayron Hosley 2013 3 Damontre Moore 2014 3 Jay Bromley 2015 3 Owamagbe Odighizuwa 2016 3 Darian Thompson 2017 3 Davis Webb The Draft was Reeses blind spot. Sure he nailed a couple, but overall, very bad.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 13, 2019 11:26:14 GMT -5
If you historically look at the Giants 3rd Round picks in the Reese era they essentially gave up nothing Wow this list makes me wanna vomit (save Mannigham): 2007 3 Jay Alford 2008 3 Mario Manningham 2009 3 Travis Beckum 2009 3 Ramses Barden 2010 3 Chad Jones 2011 3 Jerrel Jernigan 2012 3 Jayron Hosley 2013 3 Damontre Moore 2014 3 Jay Bromley 2015 3 Owamagbe Odighizuwa 2016 3 Darian Thompson 2017 3 Davis Webb Reese's drafts have nothing to do with this. One of Gettleman's few redeeming qualities (IMO) is his ability to find value in the mid-to-late rounds. He just basically traded away one of his strong suits and made it become one of his weak points (FA/trade/contracts)
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Post by bluejayc on Dec 13, 2019 12:22:07 GMT -5
If you historically look at the Giants 3rd Round picks in the Reese era they essentially gave up nothing Wow this list makes me wanna vomit (save Mannigham): 2007 3 Jay Alford 2008 3 Mario Manningham 2009 3 Travis Beckum 2009 3 Ramses Barden 2010 3 Chad Jones 2011 3 Jerrel Jernigan 2012 3 Jayron Hosley 2013 3 Damontre Moore 2014 3 Jay Bromley 2015 3 Owamagbe Odighizuwa 2016 3 Darian Thompson 2017 3 Davis Webb Reese's drafts have nothing to do with this. One of Gettleman's few redeeming qualities (IMO) is his ability to find value in the mid-to-late rounds. He just basically traded away one of his strong suits and made it become one of his weak points (FA/trade/contracts) Hence the sarcastic emoji I used.....probably shoulda put the whole post in RED but not sure people still get what that means these days.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2019 13:16:40 GMT -5
If you historically look at the Giants 3rd Round picks in the Reese era they essentially gave up nothing Wow this list makes me wanna vomit (save Mannigham): 2007 3 Jay Alford 2008 3 Mario Manningham 2009 3 Travis Beckum 2009 3 Ramses Barden 2010 3 Chad Jones 2011 3 Jerrel Jernigan 2012 3 Jayron Hosley 2013 3 Damontre Moore 2014 3 Jay Bromley 2015 3 Owamagbe Odighizuwa 2016 3 Darian Thompson 2017 3 Davis Webb Really Manningham and maybe Jones but who knows he could have been good or bad. After that this is putrid it's the same for almost every round that is why this team sucks. Sad I remember saying back in 07 to a friend of mine were young and got a Super Bowl, Up and coming GM all we have to do is maintain and we could contend for years. They couldn't even keep the roster through the draft had to start building with low level and mid tier free agents very sad.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 13, 2019 13:21:16 GMT -5
If you historically look at the Giants 3rd Round picks in the Reese era they essentially gave up nothing Wow this list makes me wanna vomit (save Mannigham): 2007 3 Jay Alford 2008 3 Mario Manningham 2009 3 Travis Beckum 2009 3 Ramses Barden 2010 3 Chad Jones 2011 3 Jerrel Jernigan 2012 3 Jayron Hosley 2013 3 Damontre Moore 2014 3 Jay Bromley 2015 3 Owamagbe Odighizuwa 2016 3 Darian Thompson 2017 3 Davis Webb Reese's drafts have nothing to do with this. One of Gettleman's few redeeming qualities (IMO) is his ability to find value in the mid-to-late rounds. He just basically traded away one of his strong suits and made it become one of his weak points (FA/trade/contracts) I find it strange that people think the GM has a tremendous impact on the mid-round picks. Do people think Gettlemen has hand scouted the guys he takes mid-round? not a chance. As per the documentary "finding Giants", the scouting department and in JR's era, Marc Ross was in charge of running the draft and utilizing the area scouts to make the best educated picks in the mid-rounds. JR only ran the draft once, before he hired Marc Ross and that was in 2007 (also the one draft where we hit on multiple mid-round picks). Yes, Gettleman "drafts" the players but he almost solely relies on the player assessment from the area scouts. The GM personally scouts the first round and depending on the how the draft goes, second round prospects. They dont have the time to look at most prospects and this makes complete sense. If anyone is curious to how this FO makes decisions, watch "finding Giants", I think its on youtube. Trading the top tier 3rd round pick makes little to no sense to me. Particularly for a player that is just good/decent and is asking for top $ for his position.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 13, 2019 13:44:23 GMT -5
Reese's drafts have nothing to do with this. One of Gettleman's few redeeming qualities (IMO) is his ability to find value in the mid-to-late rounds. He just basically traded away one of his strong suits and made it become one of his weak points (FA/trade/contracts) I find it strange that people think the GM has a tremendous impact on the mid-round picks. Do people think Gettlemen has hand scouted the guys he takes mid-round? not a chance. Semantics.
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Post by shocknaweny on Dec 14, 2019 12:49:57 GMT -5
love Leonard Williams talent but did not love that trade ....65th pick will be very much needed and if he walks DG certainly looks like a bigger dope than he does already
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Post by 3days on Dec 14, 2019 13:07:29 GMT -5
This is real easy if we can sign him before FA then it may be a very good trade if not then it may be one of the worst trades we ever made. We have to wait and see.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 20:45:18 GMT -5
More questions than answers for this trade
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 14, 2019 20:52:59 GMT -5
I read just about everywhere that we have traded our 3rd and ether a 4th or 5th with everyone assuming the 3rd is our normal pick which will end up being the firs few picks in the third round. Has that been officially confirmed? Don't we have a comp pick in the third as well? Could it have been that pick? Just wondering because I'm hearing a lot of people killing Gettleman for the trade but it wouldn't be the first time folks ran around with their hair on fire over stuff they are imagining. I think it is our original 3rd. That said a lot of people are talking a lot of garbage until this is done and we see where to goes, there is nothing to say. Have to see what his market is and if we get a 3rd back for him if in fact he signs else where, all indictions are it's our 3rd that was traded and the jets paid 4 mill of his salary for that pick and the 5th or 4 th if he signs. We do not get anything back if he signs elsewhere. Nor is there anything to see in regards to it playing out. It was one of the worst trades in league history. We gave away picks for a guy to play 8 meaningless games here when he could have been signed as a FA.
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Post by redeyejedi on Dec 15, 2019 20:17:33 GMT -5
He’s being killed for good reason. It’s a 3rd this year and a 5th next year. If you want to get specific the 3rd is definite (which is the killer) a 5th in 2021 if he goes, a 4th is he signs an extension with the Giants. You’re going to hear we could get a 3rd if this guy signs and another guy does a song and a dance. Point is, we gave up draft picks for what seems to be an average player at best. But I was told he was brought in to push the pocket so we have that going for us. One of the dumbest trades I have ever see a Giant GM make. Why give up picks for a soo to be FA that wil not be franchised its a horrible trade I think he should be fired for it
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Post by allnygin on Dec 15, 2019 20:25:03 GMT -5
He’s being killed for good reason. It’s a 3rd this year and a 5th next year. If you want to get specific the 3rd is definite (which is the killer) a 5th in 2021 if he goes, a 4th is he signs an extension with the Giants. You’re going to hear we could get a 3rd if this guy signs and another guy does a song and a dance. Point is, we gave up draft picks for what seems to be an average player at best. But I was told he was brought in to push the pocket so we have that going for us. One of the dumbest trades I have ever see a Giant GM make. Why give up picks for a soo to be FA that wil not be franchised its a horrible trade I think he should be fired for it Debatable. The line has since become a strength since he;s been on the team. Look at Tomlinsons uptick in production, hell the entire line looks better as a result. Sure, he's not making the flashy plays which you expect from a guy whos probably going to demand to much. Just looking on the bright side, the D line has looked better, then again they havne't really played a good team lately either. Chances are it'll be a bad move depending on if and for how much he resigns for. He may just decide not to resign and then it'll be the worst move ever. Hilarious in fact.
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Post by redeyejedi on Dec 15, 2019 20:29:03 GMT -5
One of the dumbest trades I have ever see a Giant GM make. Why give up picks for a soo to be FA that wil not be franchised its a horrible trade I think he should be fired for it Debatable. The line has since become a strength since he;s been on the team. Look at Tomlinsons uptick in production, hell the entire line looks better as a result. Sure, he's not making the flashy plays which you expect from a guy whos probably going to demand to much. Just looking on the bright side, the D line has looked better, then again they havne't really played a good team lately either. Chances are it'll be a bad move depending on if and for how much he resigns for. He may just decide not to resign and then it'll be the worst move ever. Hilarious in fact. He could of just signed him as a FA. Giving away 2 picks was flat out asinine. Trading for a player you aren't franchising makes zero sense
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 15, 2019 20:31:14 GMT -5
I heard they liked him so much they were concerned another team would trade for him, make him happy and extend him before he became a FA and they wouldnt have a chance.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Dec 15, 2019 23:24:27 GMT -5
I heard they liked him so much they were concerned another team would trade for him, make him happy and extend him before he became a FA and they wouldnt have a chance. maybe they were hoping he wouldnt ask for the moon , but it leaked he wants to be a top paid guy at his position.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 16, 2019 9:00:40 GMT -5
I heard they liked him so much they were concerned another team would trade for him, make him happy and extend him before he became a FA and they wouldnt have a chance. maybe they were hoping he wouldnt ask for the moon , but it leaked he wants to be a top paid guy at his position. He didn't want to be the top payed guy, acting like Harooni again making things up see you are an imposter. he does want to be paid well tho he has done some good things for this defense since coming over.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 16, 2019 9:34:10 GMT -5
maybe they were hoping he wouldnt ask for the moon , but it leaked he wants to be a top paid guy at his position. He didn't want to be the top payed guy, acting like Harooni again making things up see you are an imposter. he does want to be paid well tho he has done some good things for this defense since coming over.Like what? And you can’t say push the pocket, The Analysts said that already.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 16, 2019 9:40:42 GMT -5
He didn't want to be the top payed guy, acting like Harooni again making things up see you are an imposter. he does want to be paid well tho he has done some good things for this defense since coming over.Like what? And you can’t say push the pocket, The Analysts said that already. Actually since he got her the run D has gotten down under 4 yards a caries and in most cases under 3 he has the most pressures in the NFL the last 4 games that is benefitting team mates. the Giants are harassing QBs at decent clip and getting sacks some of those come from pressure up the gut. Kruunch lol I know you will shit on this because you hate the trade and might hate the GM more but there are some positives. Wiliams isn't a good player he is a cut above that. Nor is he top 5 material.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 16, 2019 9:44:45 GMT -5
Like what? And you can’t say push the pocket, The Analysts said that already. Actually since he got her the run D has gotten down under 4 yards a caries and in most cases under 3 he has the most pressures in the NFL the last 4 games that is benefitting team mates. the Giants are harassing QBs at decent clip and getting sacks some of those come from pressure up the gut. Kruunch lol I know you will shit on this because you hate the trade and might hate the GM more but there are some positives. Wiliams isn't a good player he is a cut above that. Nor is he top 5 material. Sounds great. Now what about Leonard Williams? What do you think is a fair contract offer? $500 million? With $200 dollars guaranteed? I like how you did your homework, you could be making it all up but I like the effort. You’re growing in front of our eyes. Even though you’re a young 79..
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