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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2019 12:03:57 GMT -5
For every Connely and Slayton we have a bunch of Phillip Dillards. And personally, if I’m Jenkins I’m moonwalking out of the facilities once I found out about the release. It’s like doing a 2 year stint and finally going home. Jenkins is not as bad as some perceive him to be. Now, Baker will be lined up against the opposing 1s now. Consider himself lucky it’s Miami, Washington and Philly finishing the season. No legitimate number 1 on those teams. I think Baker will be ok long term. Maybe once he gets a better DC who can teach the scheme well enough for everyone to understand their responsibilities, or use the players to their strengths. I’m at a point where show me not tell me. Will Allen was supposed to be a good corner for us too. He’ll have every opportunity to either sink or swim.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 12:05:03 GMT -5
Really? Baker has dogged it twice so far this season. Must of forgot about him right? I think Baker is going to be one of those "IF we are a good team Ill play 100% all the time, if not, I might take some plays off" type player. And there are a LOT of those types of players on our team. In fairness to these young players the Giants set them for this type of thinking and example when they kept Jenkins as their mentor..
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2019 12:05:33 GMT -5
Did they know they were going to release him today back during the trade deadline? I bet not LOL, true. Though if they were willing to cut him now it likely means they had no intention on keeping him in 2020 anyway. Otherwise they probably would have suspended/fined/forced an disingenuous apology. Trading him at the deadline would have been a good move regardless, same with Ogletree; if they aren't part of next year's plans. This was a "shots fired" move by Gettleman. Similar to what he did week 17 by cutting Hart before the game the first week he was GM
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Post by McCherry on Dec 13, 2019 12:05:54 GMT -5
More snaps for Beal. Ballantine our of protocol yet? Think he ends up in philly by next week? Exactly The kids get more playing time At least they show high effort while taking lumpsThey do? Baker is still a long shot to justify his value when he is giving full effort... I'll bet Ballantine and Beal never start another game for the Giants after this year.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 13, 2019 12:07:13 GMT -5
Really? Baker has dogged it twice so far this season. Must of forgot about him right? I think Baker is going to be one of those "IF we are a good team Ill play 100% all the time, if not, I might take some plays off" type player. And there are a LOT of those types of players on our team. Not many rookies.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 13, 2019 12:07:26 GMT -5
Exactly. One would hope that Gettleman knows that neither of these guys are going to be here in 2020 so why not try to get anything for them at the deadline? Of course we're talking about the same guy who traded a top 3rd round pick and 5th (potential 4th) for a guy to play 8 games on a 2-11 team. The wisdom of the Williams trade is to be determined. A questionable move, but it is unlikely he would have hit FA with any team that traded for him, so signing him as a FA in the off-season was unlikely an option. If they want him for 2020, they needed to trade for him. If they don't retain him or sign him to a terrible contract it is a bad move though.I really only foresee either of these two things happening.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2019 12:08:24 GMT -5
I think Baker is going to be one of those "IF we are a good team Ill play 100% all the time, if not, I might take some plays off" type player. And there are a LOT of those types of players on our team. In fairness to these young players the Giants set them for this type of thinking and example when they kept Jenkins as their mentor.. I don’t agree with that at all. They also have Bethea in the team meetings. Isn’t he a stand up veteran presence in the locker room? No excuse for a player not giving his all on the field.. None!
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2019 12:09:06 GMT -5
Some playoff contending team will snatch him up & many here will be crying when they see him playing in Jan, maybe even Feb. What a butthurt nation of easily "offended" people this nation has become. What ever happened to "sticks & stones"? I've stopped using that word as it too was part of my vernacular as slang. I can understand why it is offensive to some people. I think you would too if you had a child, or loved one, who was mentally disabled. It always comes down to my main life philosophy: Everyone has different value sets. No one's is more valuable than another's. If you believe yours is more valuable than another's then you are the issue. Not them. This is the same poster(dunno if you were here)thatvfat shamed Lorenzen afterthe died by calling him lazy when any of us with any knowledge would know he had major thyroid issues. I will stop here before I say what I really would like about this poster that would get me deleted from this forum
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 13, 2019 12:11:11 GMT -5
In fairness to these young players the Giants set them for this type of thinking and example when they kept Jenkins as their mentor.. I don’t agree with that at all. They also have Bethea in the team meetings. Isn’t he a stand up veteran presence in the locker room? No excuse for a player not giving his all on the field.. None! There is no excuse. I agree with you on that.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 13, 2019 12:11:19 GMT -5
Exactly The kids get more playing time At least they show high effort while taking lumpsThey do? Baker is still a long shot to justify his value when he is giving full effort... I'll bet Ballantine and Beal never start another game for the Giants after this year. Don’t look now but Baker one of the highest graded CB’s league wide last 2 weeks. Just saying.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 13, 2019 12:11:22 GMT -5
So instead we just lost by 2 scores a game on average, every game... He should have been traded to the highest bidder. Even if it was a 5th rounder. That's how fans think. If you think coaches and GMs use that same logic when they're trying to win games and save their careers in midseason you're not being serious. Beal was still on IR at the time, we didn't even have enough bodies to field. It didn't make sense then or now. You don't kill your season at the halfway mark for a worthless 5th round pick. We were 2-6 and looking dismal when it was the trade deadline. Pretty sure our season was already "killed"
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Post by jmike on Dec 13, 2019 12:11:52 GMT -5
The wisdom of the Williams trade is to be determined. A questionable move, but it is unlikely he would have hit FA with any team that traded for him, so signing him as a FA in the off-season was unlikely an option. If they want him for 2020, they needed to trade for him. If they don't retain him or sign him to a terrible contract it is a bad move though.I really only foresee either of these two things happening. One of them may, but for now I think it is best to wait. If I were to predict, I expect that the Giants slap the franchise tag on him.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 13, 2019 12:12:14 GMT -5
They do? Baker is still a long shot to justify his value when he is giving full effort... I'll bet Ballantine and Beal never start another game for the Giants after this year. Don’t look now but Baker one of the highest graded CB’s league wide last 2 weeks. Just saying. It will click for him IMO. Much like C-Web clicked... Just way too talented. This year is all about learning.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2019 12:12:50 GMT -5
Exactly. One would hope that Gettleman knows that neither of these guys are going to be here in 2020 so why not try to get anything for them at the deadline? Of course we're talking about the same guy who traded a top 3rd round pick and 5th (potential 4th) for a guy to play 8 games on a 2-11 team. The wisdom of the Williams trade is to be determined. A questionable move, but it is unlikely he would have hit FA with any team that traded for him, so signing him as a FA in the off-season was unlikely an option. If they want him for 2020, they needed to trade for him. If they don't retain him or sign him to a terrible contract it is a bad move though. I'm in agreement with you here about this. We have to see the entire plan on how it comes together Trading for him means we can franchise him as well if we cant get a deal done.
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Post by jmike on Dec 13, 2019 12:13:11 GMT -5
They do? Baker is still a long shot to justify his value when he is giving full effort... I'll bet Ballantine and Beal never start another game for the Giants after this year. Don’t look now but Baker one of the highest graded CB’s league wide last 2 weeks. Just saying. Why shouldn't we look?
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2019 12:13:19 GMT -5
Trading Jenkins for anything less than a premium pick would've been foolish. We'd probably would've lost every game by 50 points since the deadline. We lost every game with him, who cares about the margin? Exactly
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 13, 2019 12:14:20 GMT -5
Very true.
I always liked Janoris personally, but he obviously has some maturity issues.
We knew that though... He was kicked out of college. He was a great CB for us for a while so Im not mad at the signing. I just cant believe this GM didnt trade him when that was the obvious option, and to twist the dagger in the flesh, he trades for a player in his FA year with draft capital.
Dave does seem to be rather pig-headed, and that's something Mara must consider at the end of the year. For the first time in my fandom, I can say that will have no problem if we clean house again.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2019 12:14:50 GMT -5
I really only foresee either of these two things happening. One of them may, but for now I think it is best to wait. If I were to predict, I expect that the Giants slap the franchise tag on him. The Giants have used the franchise tag 4x in 26 years. They will either sign him or not, doubt they tag him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2019 12:18:33 GMT -5
Don’t look now but Baker one of the highest graded CB’s league wide last 2 weeks. Just saying. It will click for him IMO. Much like C-Web clicked... Just way too talented. This year is all about learning. People forget that he shut down any of the Alabama receivers lined up in front of him in the SEC Championship game(including Jeudy). He has talent
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 13, 2019 12:19:36 GMT -5
They do? Baker is still a long shot to justify his value when he is giving full effort... I'll bet Ballantine and Beal never start another game for the Giants after this year. Don’t look now but Baker one of the highest graded CB’s league wide last 2 weeks. Just saying. Who was he covering against the Eagles? They didn't have a WR on the field by the end of the game.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 13, 2019 12:21:02 GMT -5
Exactly The kids get more playing time At least they show high effort while taking lumpsThey do? Baker is still a long shot to justify his value when he is giving full effort... I'll bet Ballantine and Beal never start another game for the Giants after this year. I'll take that bet
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Post by jmike on Dec 13, 2019 12:21:21 GMT -5
Don’t look now but Baker one of the highest graded CB’s league wide last 2 weeks. Just saying. Who was he covering against the Eagles? They didn't have a WR on the field by the end of the game. Nobody, same as the rest of the defense.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2019 12:25:08 GMT -5
Good thing he was around long enough to lead and teach the young guys the proper way of doing things ... lol
Would love to know what deals, if any, we turned down at the trade deadline to trade him .... Who would trade for him after what he put on tape half stepping effort and average play for top dollar.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2019 12:29:05 GMT -5
3.5 million sounds much better, that's actually chump change in todays NFL LOL You take what ever you have to. It was slur against disabled people as bad as any other thing you can think this guy has been a dog on the field and a moron oft time to go.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Dec 13, 2019 12:31:27 GMT -5
I really only foresee either of these two things happening. One of them may, but for now I think it is best to wait. If I were to predict, I expect that the Giants slap the franchise tag on him. Transition tag may actually be the better move here.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2019 12:31:32 GMT -5
Good thing he was around long enough to lead and teach the young guys the proper way of doing things ... lol
Would love to know what deals, if any, we turned down at the trade deadline to trade him .... Who would trade for him after what he put on tape half stepping effort and average play for top dollar. That's the part that's glossed over Nobody was trading a bag of used footballs for Jenkins with all those instances of being an effort front runner on tape and that contract
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2019 12:32:30 GMT -5
Now the speculation is gonna start that someone would actually trade for an average CB who gets top tier money and decides to take plays off once and a while, Maybe the Giants could do what the Jets did and pay to help get the trade through.
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Post by bluejayc on Dec 13, 2019 12:33:54 GMT -5
I look at this as a positive at this stage in the season. Get all the kids burn......Ballentine, Beal, Baker, Love.....this has the "POTENTIAL" to be one of the best young D backfields in the league that will be together contractually for a minimum of 3-4 years.....let me emphasize "POTENTIAL."
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2019 12:34:21 GMT -5
One of them may, but for now I think it is best to wait. If I were to predict, I expect that the Giants slap the franchise tag on him. Transition tag may actually be the better move here. And risk losing him because of a cleaver poison pill(some stipulation that the team making the offer doesnt have to worry about that we do...ie...a team that plays on natural grass at home makes a poison pill saying if Williams plays on more than 7 games on field turf inn2020 his 5th year automatically goes to 35 million fully guaranteed....or something
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Post by McCherry on Dec 13, 2019 12:35:11 GMT -5
They do? Baker is still a long shot to justify his value when he is giving full effort... I'll bet Ballantine and Beal never start another game for the Giants after this year. Don’t look now but Baker one of the highest graded CB’s league wide last 2 weeks. Just saying. Highest graded CB on the Giants for 1 week. I believe he was covering a converted QB. Just saying.
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