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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 23:49:47 GMT -5
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2019 23:53:01 GMT -5
And the final horse finally crosses the finish line. Is it just me, does he move his arms and hands around a lot?
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Dec 14, 2019 0:10:09 GMT -5
Now to get Mara to admit it....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 0:18:52 GMT -5
Now to get Mara to admit it.... I believe it's over for Pat. DG is going to get another chance to save his job by hiring Rivera in the off season. I hope it works out. Otherwise, we are in for ANOTHER decade of losing.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 14, 2019 1:14:57 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything he said. I like Shurmur he seems like a good guy, he's done great things as an Offensive coordinator, he's just not head coaching material.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 8:21:31 GMT -5
Well, let’s stop hiring coordinators for now and try hiring coaches. The Bizarro world.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 14, 2019 8:22:46 GMT -5
I’ll admit it
We need oxygen to breathe
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Post by jaymas on Dec 14, 2019 9:41:12 GMT -5
Now to get Mara to admit it.... I believe it's over for Pat. DG is going to get another chance to save his job by hiring Rivera in the off season. I hope it works out. Otherwise, we are in for ANOTHER decade of losing. I think a Rivera hire could be very much like a Coughlin hire in 04. Would be similar resumes at the time of hiring. I'd support the move too. But I'm really on the Matt Rhule train. Something about a guy who did what he did at Temple and Baylor makes me think he's got the non Xs and Os qualities of being a head coach in spades.
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 14, 2019 10:09:19 GMT -5
I believe it's over for Pat. DG is going to get another chance to save his job by hiring Rivera in the off season. I hope it works out. Otherwise, we are in for ANOTHER decade of losing. I think a Rivera hire could be very much like a Coughlin hire in 04. Would be similar resumes at the time of hiring. I'd support the move too. But I'm really on the Matt Rhule train. Something about a guy who did what he did at Temple and Baylor makes me think he's got the non Xs and Os qualities of being a head coach in spades. I know next to nothing about the guy, but I've heard/seen a few sources say Rhule wants the Giants job if it opens up. Here's a blip from an article I saw this morning.....https://www.profootballnetwork.com/latest-matt-rhule-nfl-teams-interested-interviewing-him/ One of the hottest names in college football right now is Baylor Bears head coach Matt Rhule, and he may be heading to the NFL this offseason. In fact, sources tell Pro Football Network Insiders Tony Pauline and Ben Allbright that Rhule will be an even hotter candidate than Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley. But, where will he land and what is Rhule’s preference? Sources tell Pauline and Allbright that at least two teams are interested right now – the Dallas Cowboys and Carolina Panthers. And when it comes to Rhule’s preference, Pauline notes that if the New York Giants head coaching job opens up, he’s very interested in the position.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 10:18:31 GMT -5
I believe it's over for Pat. DG is going to get another chance to save his job by hiring Rivera in the off season. I hope it works out. Otherwise, we are in for ANOTHER decade of losing. I think a Rivera hire could be very much like a Coughlin hire in 04. Would be similar resumes at the time of hiring. I'd support the move too. But I'm really on the Matt Rhule train. Something about a guy who did what he did at Temple and Baylor makes me think he's got the non Xs and Os qualities of being a head coach in spades. Admittedly I don’t know a lot about him, just a little. But a college program’s success is 100% predicated upon recruiting. Recruiting is vastly different than NFL roster management. That’s my biggest fear with giving a NCAA guy his first NFL HC gig.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 14, 2019 10:34:33 GMT -5
I would love Pat to become OC for continuity
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 14, 2019 10:35:19 GMT -5
Well, let’s stop hiring coordinators for now and try hiring coaches. The Bizarro world. Coordinators are cheaper....We didn't break the bank on any of our last two coaches.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 14, 2019 10:39:30 GMT -5
I like that guy in general, but he did just totally change his opinion over 3 or 4 week of football....
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Post by Jomo on Dec 14, 2019 10:41:20 GMT -5
This all gets to part of my criticism of JM as a terrible CEO.
What exactly was it in Shurmur's background as a HC that led JM to believe he would be successful in that role here? We are the NY Giants and shouldn't have to take wild ass chances on unproven commodities.
Bad managers tend to hire people (Shurmur in this case) based on how they interview rather than cold hard facts.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 14, 2019 10:41:21 GMT -5
What's funny is that Shurmur probably would accept a demotion to OC, or at least seriously consider it. Why wouldn't he, once he got past the feeling of embarrassment in being demoted? Certainly nobody is going to want him as HC. He would be demoted any way you look at it if he takes the same job elsewhere, and it's no given he would even get the offer.
Now I doubt it's even offered to him if they do bring in another HC, it would sort of be unprecedented wouldn't it? Has that happened before?
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 10:41:32 GMT -5
I would love Pat to become OC for continuity You're a fan of his play calling?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 10:49:46 GMT -5
Well, let’s stop hiring coordinators for now and try hiring coaches. The Bizarro world. Coordinators are cheaper....We didn't break the bank on any of our last two coaches. Yup...see what cheap gets you. Bring in someone like B.B. and you are contending for years. And I don’t wanna hear about the cheating bullshit.
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 14, 2019 10:50:59 GMT -5
I think a Rivera hire could be very much like a Coughlin hire in 04. Would be similar resumes at the time of hiring. I'd support the move too. But I'm really on the Matt Rhule train. Something about a guy who did what he did at Temple and Baylor makes me think he's got the non Xs and Os qualities of being a head coach in spades. Admittedly I don’t know a lot about him, just a little. But a college program’s success is 100% predicated upon recruiting. Recruiting is vastly different than NFL roster management. That’s my biggest fear with giving a NCAA guy his first NFL HC gig. This tends to be my biggest fear, as well. Being a good recruiter is different than leading grown men making millions of dollars. Doing a quick search on him..... - He was a walk on LB at PSU. I actually like this. To me, he wasn't given anything. He had to work hard, and grind for what he got.
- I also like the fact he was a LB. LB's are essentially the coach on the field for many defenses, and they're typically a hard nosed, no-nonsense type personality.
- He's had 13 years of coaching experience in, both, the college and NFL level. This includes roles as LB Coach, DL Coach, OL Coach, QB Coach, Offensive Coordinator, and HC.
- Rebuilt two programs (Temple & Baylor). Signed an extension while at Temple, despite bigger schools courting him. Temple beat PSU for first time since 1941 with Rhule there. Rhule also brought Baylor back from a scandal and recently played in the Big 12 Championship. Both programs showed steady improvement from the day he got there to the day he left.
- From NYC
- Was the OL coach for the Giants when we made our first SB run
On the surface, there's a lot to like about Rhule. His various roles in coaching have given him experience on both sides of the ball, and he's worked his way up the ladder. I don't know what his style is, or what his overall philosophy is when it comes to building a team, but he's interesting if nothing else.
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Post by DrRumack on Dec 14, 2019 10:54:03 GMT -5
Admittedly I don’t know a lot about him, just a little. But a college program’s success is 100% predicated upon recruiting. Recruiting is vastly different than NFL roster management. That’s my biggest fear with giving a NCAA guy his first NFL HC gig. This tends to be my biggest fear, as well. Being a good recruiter is different than leading grown men making millions of dollars. Doing a quick search on him..... - He was a walk on LB at PSU. I actually like this. To me, he wasn't given anything. He had to work hard, and grind for what he got.
- I also like the fact he was a LB. LB's are essentially the coach on the field for many defenses, and they're typically a hard nosed, no-nonsense type personality.
- He's had 13 years of coaching experience in, both, the college and NFL level. This includes roles as LB Coach, DL Coach, OL Coach, QB Coach, Offensive Coordinator, and HC.
- Rebuilt two programs (Temple & Baylor). Signed an extension while at Temple, despite bigger schools courting him. Temple beat PSU for first time since 1941 with Rhule there. Rhule also brought Baylor back from a scandal and recently played in the Big 12 Championship. Both programs showed steady improvement from the day he got there to the day he left.
- From NYC
- Was the OL coach for the Giants when we made our first SB run
On the surface, there's a lot to like about Rhule. His various roles in coaching have given him experience on both sides of the ball, and he's worked his way up the ladder. I don't know what his style is, or what his overall philosophy is when it comes to building a team, but he's interesting if nothing else.
I didn’t realize he had NFL coaching experience. So I just looked it up. 1 year, in 2012, as our assistant OL coach. Not a lot of experience IMO
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Post by Nite on Dec 14, 2019 11:08:54 GMT -5
"Is Pat Schumur a good decision maker? "
"I don't know..."
I stop watching the video from that point. He is a young kid doesn't know much or really doesn't watch the games
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 14, 2019 11:17:37 GMT -5
I like that guy in general, but he did just totally change his opinion over 3 or 4 week of football.... Yeah and came to a conclusion a lot of us figured out awhile ago...
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Post by allnygin on Dec 14, 2019 11:19:23 GMT -5
"Is Pat Schumur a good decision maker? " "I don't know..." I stop watching the video from that point. He is a young kid doesn't know much or really doesn't watch the games He meant that more in the context of outside of football. As in coaches need to be more than just decision makers on the field as well as off. If you listened you'd hear that he says he's not a good decision maker on the field. So clearly, making assumptions works out really well for you.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 14, 2019 11:21:31 GMT -5
I like that guy in general, but he did just totally change his opinion over 3 or 4 week of football.... 4 weeks ago many people on here were saying the most important thing for this team going forward is continuity for Jones we're Giants fans, he is not. 4 Weeks later most of us are in the same opinion of him, keeping Shurmur as head coach may be more of a detriment than anything. 4 weeks of football is a LONG time.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 14, 2019 11:38:59 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything he said. I like Shurmur he seems like a good guy, he's done great things as an Offensive coordinator, he's just not head coaching material. What great things has he done as an OC? Tell Case Keenum not to throw into coverage?
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Post by allnygin on Dec 14, 2019 11:40:57 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything he said. I like Shurmur he seems like a good guy, he's done great things as an Offensive coordinator, he's just not head coaching material. What great things has he done as an OC? Tell Case Keenum not to throw into coverage?
I mean it worked out pretty well. "great" may not have been the proper word to use there, however you gotta give credit were credit is due, he did well in Minnasnowta.
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Post by gmen21 on Dec 14, 2019 12:01:02 GMT -5
I would love Pat to become OC for continuity Nothing Pat does is good. He’s not a “QB whisper.” He’s stunting the growth of young players. He needs to go bye-bye forever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 12:16:24 GMT -5
I like that guy in general, but he did just totally change his opinion over 3 or 4 week of football.... So the guy can't be wrong and admit it? Tough crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 12:19:56 GMT -5
What's funny is that Shurmur probably would accept a demotion to OC, or at least seriously consider it. Why wouldn't he, once he got past the feeling of embarrassment in being demoted? Certainly nobody is going to want him as HC. He would be demoted any way you look at it if he takes the same job elsewhere, and it's no given he would even get the offer. Now I doubt it's even offered to him if they do bring in another HC, it would sort of be unprecedented wouldn't it? Has that happened before? IMO, if a HC candidate is willing to let the GM pick his coaching staff, he's not worth the hire.
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Post by leonperry on Dec 14, 2019 12:20:01 GMT -5
What's funny is that Shurmur probably would accept a demotion to OC, or at least seriously consider it. Why wouldn't he, once he got past the feeling of embarrassment in being demoted? Certainly nobody is going to want him as HC. He would be demoted any way you look at it if he takes the same job elsewhere, and it's no given he would even get the offer. Now I doubt it's even offered to him if they do bring in another HC, it would sort of be unprecedented wouldn't it? Has that happened before? wondering that myself... my total guess is that it has happened but extremely rare. I cannot recall that in any team sport I think where it has happened with a bit more regularity is when a guy assumes the role as an interim HC and then slides back into his previous role whenever a perm replacement is found
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Post by soflo on Dec 14, 2019 12:21:51 GMT -5
Even as late as mid November I was still willing to give Shurmur that 2020 year to see what we could do with a third top five draft class and a big free agent period, but 2-11 provides absolutely no justification for keeping a guy around. His coaching decisions and the level of preparedness have nothing to do with what we're lacking in personnel.
And this team isn't talentless. The 1995 team...that team was talentless. This team isn't and yet the '95 team would smoke these guys.
Matt Rhule or Ron Rivera.
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