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Post by IrishMike on Dec 14, 2019 21:14:51 GMT -5
I am a big...huge Ron Rivera fan and would love for him to come here. However I do not think he is the right guy to groom Jones to play QB in the NFL. I could see him taking the DC job if they fired Bettcher. I'm not convinced they fire him either though. The fact they the GM fired the biggest talker in the locker room says he is on the coaches side, at least a little bit in this thing. lol ... Rivera is not taking a DC job under an ass clown head coach like Shurmur lol your arrogance might be my favorite thing about you. Like Rivera would be the first HC to revert back to a coordinator role under an "ass clown" to prove himself. Hell Wade Phillips has done it like 5 times now.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 14, 2019 21:15:03 GMT -5
Am I the only one that does not think Shurmur is going to get fired? He was brought in to groom our next QB. How well he does that will determine how well Jones performs and that will determine how well this team does. We will see what Jones does next year and go from there. I highly doubt they can the HC now and potentially retard stunt Jones' development. I think if he wins a couple games he's ok. If he looses out, he's done.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 21:37:35 GMT -5
lol ... Rivera is not taking a DC job under an ass clown head coach like Shurmur lol your arrogance might be my favorite thing about you. Like Rivera would be the first HC to revert back to a coordinator role under an "ass clown" to prove himself. Hell Wade Phillips has done it like 5 times now. Who are you kidding? You favorite thing about me is my boyish good looks. Rivera will have no problem getting another HC gig. That would be like the Giants though, right? Hire a really good HC and make him report to a really shitty HC.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2019 21:51:11 GMT -5
Am I the only one that does not think Shurmur is going to get fired? He was brought in to groom our next QB. How well he does that will determine how well Jones performs and that will determine how well this team does. We will see what Jones does next year and go from there. I highly doubt they can the HC now and potentially retard stunt Jones' development. I think if he wins a couple games he's ok. If he looses out, he's done. You think Shurmur stays if he beats Miami and Washington? Dude, I think he’s toast. I’m actually starting to think that Gettleman is only 50/50 to come back. I can’t imagine having less hope going into next season than if the team announces that Gettleman and Shurmur are staying....
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 14, 2019 23:35:31 GMT -5
I think if he wins a couple games he's ok. If he looses out, he's done. You think Shurmur stays if he beats Miami and Washington? Dude, I think he’s toast. I’m actually starting to think that Gettleman is only 50/50 to come back. I can’t imagine having less hope going into next season than if the team announces that Gettleman and Shurmur are staying.... I really think ownership is looking for an excuse to keep him. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2019 23:37:24 GMT -5
Am I the only one that does not think Shurmur is going to get fired? He was brought in to groom our next QB. How well he does that will determine how well Jones performs and that will determine how well this team does. We will see what Jones does next year and go from there. I highly doubt they can the HC now and potentially retard stunt Jones' development. I think if he wins a couple games he's ok. If he looses out, he's done. I don't know Dandy think he is on life support at best.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2019 23:39:09 GMT -5
You think Shurmur stays if he beats Miami and Washington? Dude, I think he’s toast. I’m actually starting to think that Gettleman is only 50/50 to come back. I can’t imagine having less hope going into next season than if the team announces that Gettleman and Shurmur are staying.... I really think ownership is looking for an excuse to keep him. Hope I'm wrong. Think they might have seen enough we see it they see it. They are getting letters about it every day.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 14, 2019 23:46:31 GMT -5
He meant that more in the context of outside of football. As in coaches need to be more than just decision makers on the field as well as off. If you listened you'd hear that he says he's not a good decision maker on the field. So clearly, making assumptions works out really well for you. Cool personal attack .... for you! I meant no harm ( I see how it came across that way) apologize, I was just saying.
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Post by Martin on Dec 14, 2019 23:56:26 GMT -5
This ownership is capable of anything. See ben mac and p shurmur. They have low IQ and are 2 steps removed from the trees. It wouldn't surprise me if Johnny boy gives them 1 more year and a stern talking to. Frcking idiot!
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 15, 2019 0:13:51 GMT -5
lol your arrogance might be my favorite thing about you. Like Rivera would be the first HC to revert back to a coordinator role under an "ass clown" to prove himself. Hell Wade Phillips has done it like 5 times now. Who are you kidding? You favorite thing about me is my boyish good looks. Rivera will have no problem getting another HC gig. That would be like the Giants though, right? Hire a really good HC and make him report to a really shitty HC. Only thing that matters to me is developing Jones right now. IMO Shurmur will do a better job than Rivera.
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Post by krappdetector on Dec 15, 2019 0:33:40 GMT -5
I like that guy in general, but he did just totally change his opinion over 3 or 4 week of football.... Yeah and came to a conclusion a lot of us figured out awhile ago... A conclusion that most were driven to by anger and disappointment. I get it. But none of you posters produce a thoughtful, wide-ranging and entertaining podcast with such detail, reason, regularity, or RISK. Easy for anonymous posters to scream 'OFF WITH THEIR HEADS' early in the season because they have nothing to lose. Right now Zac is my favorite analyst who works hard at improving content, provides a detailed and knowledgeable perspective and is easy on the eyes so I wish him success.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 15, 2019 8:06:54 GMT -5
Who are you kidding? You favorite thing about me is my boyish good looks. Rivera will have no problem getting another HC gig. That would be like the Giants though, right? Hire a really good HC and make him report to a really shitty HC. Only thing that matters to me is developing Jones right now. IMO Shurmur will do a better job than Rivera. What evidence do we have that Shurmur is doing a good job developing Daniel Jones? I have become a Jones fan and feel like he shows a lot of promise, but I have no evidence that any of his play is due to Shurmur (or not due to Shurmur). For all I know, Shurmur is holding him back ....
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 15, 2019 8:13:19 GMT -5
What evidence do we have that Shurmur is doing a good job developing Daniel Jones? I have become a Jones fan and feel like he shows a lot of promise, but I have no evidence that any of his play is due to Shurmur (or not due to Shurmur). For all I know, Shurmur is holding him back .... Man this offseason is going to be horrible around here. Obviously we have no proof of that, nor will any development of Jones be "proof" enough for you to say Shurmur did good. Jones can become a HOF player and you could respond "well he would have been better without Shurmur".
At the end of the day the owners have to decide if Shurmur did a good job with Jones or not. They also have to weigh if changes coaches will help or hurt his development. We as fans make the same decision with largely very little info. My opinion is that Shurmur is doing a good job developing Jones, you don't have to agree that is fine. This isn't court though and I won't attempt to change your mind with "evidence".
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 15, 2019 8:24:52 GMT -5
What evidence do we have that Shurmur is doing a good job developing Daniel Jones? I have become a Jones fan and feel like he shows a lot of promise, but I have no evidence that any of his play is due to Shurmur (or not due to Shurmur). For all I know, Shurmur is holding him back .... Man this offseason is going to be horrible around here. Obviously we have no proof of that, nor will any development of Jones be "proof" enough for you to say Shurmur did good. Jones can become a HOF player and you could respond "well he would have been better without Shurmur".
At the end of the day the owners have to decide if Shurmur did a good job with Jones or not. They also have to weigh if changes coaches will help or hurt his development. We as fans make the same decision with largely very little info. My opinion is that Shurmur is doing a good job developing Jones, you don't have to agree that is fine. This isn't court though and I won't attempt to change your mind with "evidence".
What I’m saying is that none of us know one way or another, so to me it’s not a persuasive fan argument to say that Shurmur has done a good job with Jones. I mean has Jones gotten appreciably better from his first start to his last start? Do you think that if Rivera comes in here with Norv Turner as his OC, they won’t get the same or better results with Jones? Jones seems like a bright, hard-working kid - I don’t think that a coaching change will have a negative effect on his development. Quite the opposite, I think that going from a bad coaching staff to a good one will have a positive effect on his development.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 15, 2019 8:38:28 GMT -5
What evidence do we have that Shurmur is doing a good job developing Daniel Jones? I have become a Jones fan and feel like he shows a lot of promise, but I have no evidence that any of his play is due to Shurmur (or not due to Shurmur). For all I know, Shurmur is holding him back .... Man this offseason is going to be horrible around here. Obviously we have no proof of that, nor will any development of Jones be "proof" enough for you to say Shurmur did good. Jones can become a HOF player and you could respond "well he would have been better without Shurmur".
At the end of the day the owners have to decide if Shurmur did a good job with Jones or not. They also have to weigh if changes coaches will help or hurt his development. We as fans make the same decision with largely very little info. My opinion is that Shurmur is doing a good job developing Jones, you don't have to agree that is fine. This isn't court though and I won't attempt to change your mind with "evidence".
And PS (no pun intended) ... if the Silver-Spooned Weenie decides to keep Shurmur with replacement candidates like Rhule, Riley, Rivera and McCarthy out there, it WILL be horrible around here and I will be leading the charge.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 15, 2019 8:39:21 GMT -5
Man this offseason is going to be horrible around here. Obviously we have no proof of that, nor will any development of Jones be "proof" enough for you to say Shurmur did good. Jones can become a HOF player and you could respond "well he would have been better without Shurmur".
At the end of the day the owners have to decide if Shurmur did a good job with Jones or not. They also have to weigh if changes coaches will help or hurt his development. We as fans make the same decision with largely very little info. My opinion is that Shurmur is doing a good job developing Jones, you don't have to agree that is fine. This isn't court though and I won't attempt to change your mind with "evidence".
And PS (no pun intended) ... if the Silver-Spooned Weenie decides to keep Shurmur with replacement candidates like Rhule, Riley, Rivera and McCarthy out there, it WILL be horrible around here and I will be leading the charge. You'll have lots of competition....
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Post by Nite on Dec 15, 2019 8:50:01 GMT -5
Cool personal attack .... for you! I meant no harm ( I see how it came across that way) apologize, I was just saying. No worries. I was in a bad mood yesterday
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 15, 2019 9:34:31 GMT -5
Yeah and came to a conclusion a lot of us figured out awhile ago... A conclusion that most were driven to by anger and disappointment. I get it. But none of you posters produce a thoughtful, wide-ranging and entertaining podcast with such detail, reason, regularity, or RISK. Easy for anonymous posters to scream 'OFF WITH THEIR HEADS' early in the season because they have nothing to lose. Right now Zac is my favorite analyst who works hard at improving content, provides a detailed and knowledgeable perspective and is easy on the eyes so I wish him success. Well I like to think I'm pretty level headed. I don't jump to conclusions, and I am not a hot take type of guy. I watch the games, I watch what happens in key situations, and I judge based on what I see. I was not a Fire Shurmur! guy ranting and raving. I've even said it would look foolish to fire him without at least giving him next season to see what happens with player development, the draft and free agency and how that improves the team. As the losses piled up, bad decisions in key spots kept happening, and he kept getting out coached, I came to the decision he needs to go... period. I was just pointing out I came to this conclusion a several weeks ago..before Zac did.
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Post by jaymas on Dec 15, 2019 10:29:48 GMT -5
Who are you kidding? You favorite thing about me is my boyish good looks. Rivera will have no problem getting another HC gig. That would be like the Giants though, right? Hire a really good HC and make him report to a really shitty HC. Only thing that matters to me is developing Jones right now. IMO Shurmur will do a better job than Rivera. Defensive coaches assemble offensive coaching staffs to do this as well.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 15, 2019 10:33:33 GMT -5
Man this offseason is going to be horrible around here. Obviously we have no proof of that, nor will any development of Jones be "proof" enough for you to say Shurmur did good. Jones can become a HOF player and you could respond "well he would have been better without Shurmur".
At the end of the day the owners have to decide if Shurmur did a good job with Jones or not. They also have to weigh if changes coaches will help or hurt his development. We as fans make the same decision with largely very little info. My opinion is that Shurmur is doing a good job developing Jones, you don't have to agree that is fine. This isn't court though and I won't attempt to change your mind with "evidence".
What I’m saying is that none of us know one way or another, so to me it’s not a persuasive fan argument to say that Shurmur has done a good job with Jones. I mean has Jones gotten appreciably better from his first start to his last start? Do you think that if Rivera comes in here with Norv Turner as his OC, they won’t get the same or better results with Jones? Jones seems like a bright, hard-working kid - I don’t think that a coaching change will have a negative effect on his development. Quite the opposite, I think that going from a bad coaching staff to a good one will have a positive effect on his development. I think he needs a coach who knows how to develop an OL to help his development.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 10:36:21 GMT -5
Now to get Mara to admit it.... I believe it's over for Pat. DG is going to get another chance to save his job by hiring Rivera in the off season. I hope it works out. Otherwise, we are in for ANOTHER decade of losing. +1 and I believe hiring him will automatically make us a better team
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 10:39:54 GMT -5
I believe it's over for Pat. DG is going to get another chance to save his job by hiring Rivera in the off season. I hope it works out. Otherwise, we are in for ANOTHER decade of losing. I think a Rivera hire could be very much like a Coughlin hire in 04. Would be similar resumes at the time of hiring. I'd support the move too. But I'm really on the Matt Rhule train. Something about a guy who did what he did at Temple and Baylor makes me think he's got the non Xs and Os qualities of being a head coach in spades. I admit I don’t know much about Rhule but Rivera has been successful in the NFL. Gettleman and Rivera compiled a regular-season record of 51-28-1.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 15, 2019 10:42:50 GMT -5
I believe it's over for Pat. DG is going to get another chance to save his job by hiring Rivera in the off season. I hope it works out. Otherwise, we are in for ANOTHER decade of losing. +1 and I believe hiring him will automatically make us a better team Yeah I really think this is what is going to happen...just have a feeling. If we do hire Rivera, and he brings Norv Turner, he could certainly assist in DJ development. He's another guy that I don't think was cut out to be a HC but I have always thought he has a bright offensive mind...and he's certainly proved himself in that capacity...more than Shurmur.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 10:56:32 GMT -5
I would love Pat to become OC for continuity I could actually see that happening if Shurmur would accept a coaching position, doubtful though... Yeah then what happens if our new coach gets injured. Then he would be running the ship again. 🤔
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Post by TGTW92 on Dec 15, 2019 11:17:31 GMT -5
And the final horse finally crosses the finish line. Is it just me, does he move his arms and hands around a lot? I think it's nervousness still. I know he's put out a lot of videos already, but I think it takes years before someone becomes a really good on air personality. He's gotten way better compared to his earlier videos though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 11:32:55 GMT -5
Who are you kidding? You favorite thing about me is my boyish good looks. Rivera will have no problem getting another HC gig. That would be like the Giants though, right? Hire a really good HC and make him report to a really shitty HC. Only thing that matters to me is developing Jones right now. IMO Shurmur will do a better job than Rivera. Not if he brings Norv Turner as his OC
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 15, 2019 12:45:20 GMT -5
I think if he wins a couple games he's ok. If he looses out, he's done. You think Shurmur stays if he beats Miami and Washington? Dude, I think he’s toast. I’m actually starting to think that Gettleman is only 50/50 to come back. I can’t imagine having less hope going into next season than if the team announces that Gettleman and Shurmur are staying.... I'm pretty sure Shurmur is gone at seasons end. I really did think DG was going to get a say in the next coach. His drafts have been good but he has failed on the O line. As others have said, Solder is a big black mark but what other options did he have? I'm now wondering if DG leaves on his own, due to his health challenges. We did get the comment by him that it would give him great pleasure to walk away knowing NYG had the next franchise QB in place, just like Ernie Accorsi did. Perhaps he took the job with all parties in agreement that it would be a short gig. I'm also getting a sense that Tisch is starting to flex his ownership muscle more than in the past. It's anyones guess how the two owners are in agreement on any of this.
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Post by IrishMike on Dec 15, 2019 12:55:56 GMT -5
What I’m saying is that none of us know one way or another, so to me it’s not a persuasive fan argument to say that Shurmur has done a good job with Jones. You are right none of us know but I am not trying to change your mind or persuade you in any direction. If Mara thinks Shurmur did a good job so far he will keep him and if Mara thinks Shurmur did a bad job he will fire him; my point is that either way it would be the correct decision.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 15, 2019 13:00:01 GMT -5
You think Shurmur stays if he beats Miami and Washington? Dude, I think he’s toast. I’m actually starting to think that Gettleman is only 50/50 to come back. I can’t imagine having less hope going into next season than if the team announces that Gettleman and Shurmur are staying.... I'm pretty sure Shurmur is gone at seasons end. I really did think DG was going to get a say in the next coach. His drafts have been good but he has failed on the O line. As others have said, Solder is a big black mark but what other options did he have? I'm now wondering if DG leaves on his own, due to his health challenges. We did get the comment by him that it would give him great pleasure to walk away knowing NYG had the next franchise QB in place, just like Ernie Accorsi did. Perhaps he took the job with all parties in agreement that it would be a short gig. I'm also getting a sense that Tisch is starting to flex his ownership muscle more than in the past. It's anyones guess how the two owners are in agreement on any of this. I think he needs to be gone. But I also think ownership is looking for a reason not to have to fire him, and if he wins a couple games they will point to that as a reason.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 15, 2019 13:36:50 GMT -5
You think Shurmur stays if he beats Miami and Washington? Dude, I think he’s toast. I’m actually starting to think that Gettleman is only 50/50 to come back. I can’t imagine having less hope going into next season than if the team announces that Gettleman and Shurmur are staying.... I'm pretty sure Shurmur is gone at seasons end. I really did think DG was going to get a say in the next coach. His drafts have been good but he has failed on the O line. As others have said, Solder is a big black mark but what other options did he have? I'm now wondering if DG leaves on his own, due to his health challenges. We did get the comment by him that it would give him great pleasure to walk away knowing NYG had the next franchise QB in place, just like Ernie Accorsi did. Perhaps he took the job with all parties in agreement that it would be a short gig. I'm also getting a sense that Tisch is starting to flex his ownership muscle more than in the past. It's anyones guess how the two owners are in agreement on any of this. Interesting point on the health/age issue for DG ....
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