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Post by EliQB10 on Dec 29, 2019 19:47:16 GMT -5
The one positive thing about this game is the ugly taste it will leave in both owner's mouths. Now hopefully they don't waste 3 or 4 days hem hawing around get the ax out and get to chopping. I sure hope so but I'm worried about Mara keeping Shurmur...Mara may want to keep Shurmur if he feels Jones is developing nicely
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Post by EliDaGoat713 on Dec 29, 2019 19:48:12 GMT -5
What a fitting way to end this shitty decade of Giants football.
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Post by redbeardxxv on Dec 29, 2019 19:49:35 GMT -5
Now hopefully they don't waste 3 or 4 days hem hawing around get the ax out and get to chopping. I sure hope so but I'm worried about Mara keeping Shurmur...Mara may want to keep Shurmur if he feels Jones is developing nicely Today he overthrew receivers, fumbled away 6 points, and looked pretty average. Hopefully that sticks in Mara's head and he drops the axe.
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Post by EliQB10 on Dec 29, 2019 19:50:25 GMT -5
Now hopefully they don't waste 3 or 4 days hem hawing around get the ax out and get to chopping. I sure hope so but I'm worried about Mara keeping Shurmur...Mara may want to keep Shurmur if he feels Jones is developing nicely ...and there's always Shurmur will not be fired if the FO feels there is not a better replacement available
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Post by lexington11 on Dec 29, 2019 19:52:05 GMT -5
I sure hope so but I'm worried about Mara keeping Shurmur...Mara may want to keep Shurmur if he feels Jones is developing nicely Today he overthrew receivers, fumbled away 6 points, and looked pretty average. Hopefully that sticks in Mara's head and he drops the axe. lamo, as rookies will do,,in the rain as well.
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Post by ovidius on Dec 29, 2019 19:55:31 GMT -5
What a fitting way to end this shitty decade of Giants football. Oh my god I didn't even think about that but you're right. We won it all in '11 and the rest of the decade was painful and today was the last game of this terrible decade. Even the first season of the decade in 2010 had the Miracle of the Meadowlands part 2 with Jackson making that punt return. Good riddance.
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Post by gmen21 on Dec 29, 2019 19:56:28 GMT -5
So we’re picking #4 in the draft? Isaiah Simmons? I’d be happy with that pick, but we will see how the offseason plays out. Simmons is a beast LB though!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 19:56:32 GMT -5
Jones was pretty bad on some of those deep throws today. I think he has enough tools to be a franchise QB but we really need a competent OC and HC. Barkely can be an insane weapon for a coach who gets it maybe part of it is the protection issues.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 29, 2019 20:15:24 GMT -5
Jones was pretty bad on some of those deep throws today. I think he has enough tools to be a franchise QB but we really need a competent OC and HC. Barkely can be an insane weapon for a coach who gets it maybe part of it is the protection issues. So can Boston Scott apparently
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 20:40:46 GMT -5
Barkely can be an insane weapon for a coach who gets it maybe part of it is the protection issues. So can Boston Scott apparently If you actually think he is more gifted then SQB then your DG issues have spread into your judgement of talent. When I see young Mr Boston Scott running WR routes and making plays at every level of the defense I will give you the nod and procuring over 2000 yards from scrimmage and ten10nTDs or even the 1400 and combined that he had this year when not healthy and only playing in 13 games. Barkely used right can do more .
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Post by boxcarwillie on Dec 29, 2019 20:44:21 GMT -5
12 games 17 fumbles 11 lost. Gotta fall on that kid dude thats not on him , horrid snap, he tried to save it. When he finally got a hold on it, it would've been nice if he went down and accepted the loss. Trying to make something out of the play led to the game changer.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 20:45:18 GMT -5
Now hopefully they don't waste 3 or 4 days hem hawing around get the ax out and get to chopping. I sure hope so but I'm worried about Mara keeping Shurmur...Mara may want to keep Shurmur if he feels Jones is developing nicely Nah I think Pat played the wrong team today one more beat up then his and they still beat him his OL looks ill prepared to handle stunts and blitzs. And so did the QB holding the ball way to long when facing a pressure scheme.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 29, 2019 20:47:23 GMT -5
So can Boston Scott apparently If you actually think he is more gifted then SQB then your DG issues have spread into your judgement of talent. When I see young Mr Boston Scott running WR routes and making plays at every level of the defense I will give you the nod and procuring over 2000 yards from scrimmage and ten10nTDs or even the 1400 and combined that he had this year when not healthy and only playing in 13 games. Barkely used right can do more . He wasn't saying that at all. He is pointing out that and damn practice squad player just ran through our defense again...twice in 4 weeks. What he is saying is that if our coaching staff had a goddamn clue what they were doing, couldn't they have used Barkley the same way! Seriously! This guy ran through our defense 3 weeks ago and we can't figure out a way to stop him from doing it again? And we can't figure out a way to utilize Barkley similarly? It's a goddamn joke and this coaching staff is garbage! Garbage!
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Post by boxcarwillie on Dec 29, 2019 20:53:33 GMT -5
this line stinks . they said it was revamped and hog mollies, my foot, they let guys right in with ease. Hog mollies?! More like weak pussies. Come to think of it, Mollie is a girl's name. Maybe getting Fat Ladies was the goal.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 20:54:02 GMT -5
If you actually think he is more gifted then SQB then your DG issues have spread into your judgement of talent. When I see young Mr Boston Scott running WR routes and making plays at every level of the defense I will give you the nod and procuring over 2000 yards from scrimmage and ten10nTDs or even the 1400 and combined that he had this year when not healthy and only playing in 13 games. Barkely used right can do more . He wasn't saying that at all. He is pointing out that and damn practice squad player just ran through our defense again...twice in 4 weeks. What he is saying is that if our coaching staff had a goddamn clue what they were doing, couldn't they have used Barkley the same way! Seriously! This guy ran through our defense 3 weeks ago and we can't figure out a way to stop him from doing it again? And we can't figure out a way to utilize Barkley similarly? It's a goddamn joke and this coaching staff is garbage! Garbage! I don't think so. Because he is replying to me saying Barkely with the right coaching could and should be amazing. He is saying Barkely is a reach at 2 last year. I am saying he can do more then any back in the league he could run WR routes and RB routes as proven by that sweet deep TD he had last week. and give you one 1000 or 1400 rushing they don't use hime right. as far as defense goes if I see them line up 11 yards off the ball on 3rd and 8 one more time I'M GONNA GO NUTS.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Dec 29, 2019 20:55:32 GMT -5
And with that Garret and shurmur get canned tomorrow Garrett to the Giants. Shurmur to the Cowboys. Yeeaahh!
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 29, 2019 20:56:42 GMT -5
So can Boston Scott apparently If you actually think he is more gifted then SQB then your DG issues have spread into your judgement of talent. When I see young Mr Boston Scott running WR routes and making plays at every level of the defense I will give you the nod and procuring over 2000 yards from scrimmage and ten10nTDs or even the 1400 and combined that he had this year when not healthy and only playing in 13 games. Barkely used right can do more . Obviously I dont think Scott is as talented as Barkley. But there are a lot of RBs that can be great weapons when used correctly.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 20:57:56 GMT -5
There are no post game interviews up no Shurmur presser think they might be getting ready to can him. Hopefully Tisch who is supposed to be the catalyst isn't soaking in his tub in LA. And is at the stadium ready to do business this need s to be quick if they are changing.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 29, 2019 20:59:28 GMT -5
He wasn't saying that at all. He is pointing out that and damn practice squad player just ran through our defense again...twice in 4 weeks. What he is saying is that if our coaching staff had a goddamn clue what they were doing, couldn't they have used Barkley the same way! Seriously! This guy ran through our defense 3 weeks ago and we can't figure out a way to stop him from doing it again? And we can't figure out a way to utilize Barkley similarly? It's a goddamn joke and this coaching staff is garbage! Garbage! I don't think so. Because he is replying to me saying Barkely with the right coaching could and should be amazing. He is saying Barkely is a reach at 2 last year. I am saying he can do more then any back in the league he could run WR routes and RB routes as proven by that sweet deep TD he had last week. and give you one 1000 or 1400 rushing they don't use hime right. as far as defense goes if I see them line up 11 yards off the ball on 3rd and 8 one more time I'M GONNA GO NUTS. Barkley is a great RB. Great talent. Never once waived from that. I also never wavered from saying he should not have been our pick at 2. I don't value RBs much in the NFL draft. Boston Scott is the latest example of why. A good coach and solid OL can make RBs look great. There are a few RBs in the next draft coming out, Clyde Edwards-Helaire and the RB from Bama, that will go in the 2nd or 3rd round that will be dynamic weapons in the right schemes.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 21:00:54 GMT -5
If you actually think he is more gifted then SQB then your DG issues have spread into your judgement of talent. When I see young Mr Boston Scott running WR routes and making plays at every level of the defense I will give you the nod and procuring over 2000 yards from scrimmage and ten10nTDs or even the 1400 and combined that he had this year when not healthy and only playing in 13 games. Barkely used right can do more . Obviously I dont think Scott is as talented as Barkley. But there are a lot of RBs that can be great weapons when used correctly. So I think we need a new coach if it's a defensive coach he will have to be aware of what they need in an OC we will see don't think Shurmur survives.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 21:03:49 GMT -5
I don't think so. Because he is replying to me saying Barkely with the right coaching could and should be amazing. He is saying Barkely is a reach at 2 last year. I am saying he can do more then any back in the league he could run WR routes and RB routes as proven by that sweet deep TD he had last week. and give you one 1000 or 1400 rushing they don't use hime right. as far as defense goes if I see them line up 11 yards off the ball on 3rd and 8 one more time I'M GONNA GO NUTS. Barkley is a great RB. Great talent. Never once waived from that. I also never wavered from saying he should not have been our pick at 2. I don't value RBs much in the NFL draft. Boston Scott is the latest example of why. I get it I still think Barkely is a different animal and a smart OC can get double the production out of him he can be 1600 to 2000 and 10 TDs yearly used correctly.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 21:09:43 GMT -5
I'm getting ticked off now this is starting to remind of the George Young Giants. Read on twitter DG walked by the beat guys and said we will talk tuesday. What ever firings they are gonna do need to get done now and they need to be setting up interviews tonight for tomorrow.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 29, 2019 21:11:35 GMT -5
I'm getting ticked off now this is starting to remind of the George Young Giants. Read on twitter DG walked by the beat guys and said we will talk tuesday. What ever firings they are gonna do need to get done now and they need to be setting up interviews tonight for tomorrow. Gettleman is a douchebag.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 21:13:05 GMT -5
I'm getting ticked off now this is starting to remind of the George Young Giants. Read on twitter DG walked by the beat guys and said we will talk tuesday. What ever firings they are gonna do need to get done now and they need to be setting up interviews tonight for tomorrow. Gettleman is a douchebag. LOL he learned from a pack of them getting anything out of this place used to be like breaking the code at fort knox.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 21:16:59 GMT -5
I don't think so. Because he is replying to me saying Barkely with the right coaching could and should be amazing. He is saying Barkely is a reach at 2 last year. I am saying he can do more then any back in the league he could run WR routes and RB routes as proven by that sweet deep TD he had last week. and give you one 1000 or 1400 rushing they don't use hime right. as far as defense goes if I see them line up 11 yards off the ball on 3rd and 8 one more time I'M GONNA GO NUTS. Barkley is a great RB. Great talent. Never once waived from that. I also never wavered from saying he should not have been our pick at 2. I don't value RBs much in the NFL draft. Boston Scott is the latest example of why. A good coach and solid OL can make RBs look great. There are a few RBs in the next draft coming out, Clyde Edwards-Helaire and the RB from Bama, that will go in the 2nd or 3rd round that will be dynamic weapons in the right schemes. All good points I just don't think they have scratched the surface yet he has elements to his game that not many if any have he came here as an effective WR route runner maybe he has lost some of that being they don't ever use him in that capacity.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 29, 2019 21:17:43 GMT -5
Today he overthrew receivers, fumbled away 6 points, and looked pretty average. Hopefully that sticks in Mara's head and he drops the axe. lamo, as rookies will do,,in the rain as well. agreed, however he's not really a rookie at this point anymroe.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 29, 2019 21:19:12 GMT -5
He wasn't saying that at all. He is pointing out that and damn practice squad player just ran through our defense again...twice in 4 weeks. What he is saying is that if our coaching staff had a goddamn clue what they were doing, couldn't they have used Barkley the same way! Seriously! This guy ran through our defense 3 weeks ago and we can't figure out a way to stop him from doing it again? And we can't figure out a way to utilize Barkley similarly? It's a goddamn joke and this coaching staff is garbage! Garbage! I don't think so. Because he is replying to me saying Barkely with the right coaching could and should be amazing. He is saying Barkely is a reach at 2 last year. I am saying he can do more then any back in the league he could run WR routes and RB routes as proven by that sweet deep TD he had last week. and give you one 1000 or 1400 rushing they don't use hime right. as far as defense goes if I see them line up 11 yards off the ball on 3rd and 8 one more time I'M GONNA GO NUTS. Dude that is exactly the point. If a guy like Boston friggin Scott can do what he did to us twice, than Saquan should be able to do able to do the same to us, worse, if utilized correctly. It isn't because he can't, it's because he isn't being used correctly. Imagine Saquon on the Eagles, with the same offensive play calling that they are doing with him on their team. The eagles aren't world beaters, they are 9-7 and have beaten mostly average or bad teams. Look at how many starters that team is missing? It's crazy, all their best players on both sides of the ball. They are still winning. Saquon isn't the problem. He was the wrong pick at #2, always believed it and always will, but he's still a great player. He is just in a bad situation on a team that has been poorly coached and managed for about a decade.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 21:24:36 GMT -5
lamo, as rookies will do,,in the rain as well. agreed, however he's not really a rookie at this point anymroe. Today on the run overs I give him pass bad snap and he gets credit for 2 fumbles that sucks and Slayton fell on the pick maybe it's one anyway who knows .
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 29, 2019 21:31:59 GMT -5
I don't think so. Because he is replying to me saying Barkely with the right coaching could and should be amazing. He is saying Barkely is a reach at 2 last year. I am saying he can do more then any back in the league he could run WR routes and RB routes as proven by that sweet deep TD he had last week. and give you one 1000 or 1400 rushing they don't use hime right. as far as defense goes if I see them line up 11 yards off the ball on 3rd and 8 one more time I'M GONNA GO NUTS. Dude that is exactly the point. If a guy like Boston friggin Scott can do what he did to us twice, than Saquan should be able to do able to do the same to us, worse, if utilized correctly. It isn't because he can't, it's because he isn't being used correctly. Imagine Saquon on the Eagles, with the same offensive play calling that they are doing with him on their team. The eagles aren't world beaters, they are 9-7 and have beaten mostly average or bad teams. Look at how many starters that team is missing? It's crazy, all their best players on both sides of the ball. They are still winning. Saquon isn't the problem. He was the wrong pick at #2, always believed it and always will, but he's still a great player. He is just in a bad situation on a team that has been poorly coached and managed for about a decade. IMHO when you get a chance at talent like that you never turn it down. They got the QB a. I get all of the people who didn't want him at 2 I'm glad at this point we took him tho the QBs so far are no better then Jones and we got the best player in last years draft. If they played like this a few more times we would have gotten maybe the best play in this draft. you get 3 or 4 blue chippers your pretty good to go.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Dec 29, 2019 21:48:23 GMT -5
Dude that is exactly the point. If a guy like Boston friggin Scott can do what he did to us twice, than Saquan should be able to do able to do the same to us, worse, if utilized correctly. It isn't because he can't, it's because he isn't being used correctly. Imagine Saquon on the Eagles, with the same offensive play calling that they are doing with him on their team. The eagles aren't world beaters, they are 9-7 and have beaten mostly average or bad teams. Look at how many starters that team is missing? It's crazy, all their best players on both sides of the ball. They are still winning. Saquon isn't the problem. He was the wrong pick at #2, always believed it and always will, but he's still a great player. He is just in a bad situation on a team that has been poorly coached and managed for about a decade. IMHO when you get a chance at talent like that you never turn it down. They got the QB a. I get all of the people who didn't want him at 2 I'm glad at this point we took him tho the QBs so far are no better then Jones and we got the best player in last years draft. If they played like this a few more times we would have gotten maybe the best play in this draft. you get 3 or 4 blue chippers your pretty good to go. I get it, and I think if they didn't have so many other holes it was the right pick. They weren't a RB away from being a good team. There were other holes to fill, you can't run if you can't block, or protect your QB. If they can't take advantage of his next 3-5 years then he was the wrong pick. They may have ended up with another player who could have filled the role, like a Chubb, and maybe have also plugged another couple holes too.
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