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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2020 9:09:53 GMT -5
We have yet to hear if he decides to stay or come out. If he declares it really opens up a bunch of possibilities for the team draft wise. While at times he had a bad game or 2(compared to Thomas being steady in his play the entire year)he indeed has elite tackle traits and coming from an O line factory already advanced technique wise(and unlike previously high ranked linemen coming out he has prototypical tackle arm length)
With how the chips have fallen the past 2 weeks and a defensively dominated coaching staff has taken over in DC,and Detroit already having a good enough line and a horrific secondary where taking a tackle would be a really bad pick with Okudah being an obvious BPA meets need at 3..95% chance Thomas is there at 4. If Wirfs c0mes out,you have 2 blue chip tackles now there at 4,really opens up some trade back opportunities for us with Tua Tua declaring
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 7, 2020 10:00:18 GMT -5
At this time I would be OK with just about anything we did at #4. Thomas or Wirfs would be a blue chip prospect and a position of need. To trade back in the top 10 is Ok with me but I really don't want to go any further back. And we still need 2 first rds and at least 1 second rd pick imo.
We should be very successful no matter what we do. Another real good draft by Gettlemen imo.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 7, 2020 18:36:17 GMT -5
While Im MORE of a fan of Thomas, I would be totally on board with Wrifs, in my book he's the clear cut 2nd best OT in this years draft
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2020 18:41:25 GMT -5
While Im MORE of a fan of Thomas, I would be totally on board with Wrifs, in my book he's the clear cut 2nd best OT in this years draft To me those 2 then don't bother till the 2and round ic for some whacked reason both are gone (or Thomas goes ahead of us and Wirfs stays in school)
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 7, 2020 20:15:14 GMT -5
For these reasons, as well as Nick Gates playing well enough to be actual competition, I’ve come to rethink the “sign a FA RT” drum I’ve been beating.
There’s some inherent risks. But, that way we wouldn’t tip our hand. It’d also open up the possibility of getting top tier-ish guys at LB and secondary without blowing the whole wad.
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Post by TEM on Jan 7, 2020 20:57:51 GMT -5
I think you can drop down 4 spots and draft Wirfs LA C Carolina Both may be in play for a QB and want to move up for a QB . I would even take Jacksonville's 9 and 20 for our 4
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2020 23:13:13 GMT -5
For these reasons, as well as Nick Gates playing well enough to be actual competition, I’ve come to rethink the “sign a FA RT” drum I’ve been beating. There’s some inherent risks. But, that way we wouldn’t tip our hand. It’d also open up the possibility of getting top tier-ish guys at LB and secondary without blowing the whole wad. Gates didn't have a good game vs Philly,at least good enough to where I would feel comfortable going into next year as him penciled in to compete with a draft pick.. I've seen this movie before staring Bobby Hart and Chad Wheeler,its called Groundhog day.. I'd rather go ballw out for Conklin...RT solved for 5 years Thomas or Wirfs...pushes Soldier maybe off the team... Then we figure out C in a deep C class....
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 8, 2020 1:03:59 GMT -5
I understand GL. That’s the risk.
Is Wirfs a bonafide LT prospect? Most have him pigeonholed at RT. Signing Conklin (something I’ve been all for) would take Wirfs off the board as a matter of redundancy.
I *think* I’d rather spend the money at LB and Secondary in FA and leave both tackle spots open. It would leave options open for:
Thomas at LT. Solder/Gates/3-4-5 draft pick at RT competition. Wirfs at RT. Solder grooming 2-3-4 draft pick at LT.
It’s not perfect. But it bolsters the bulk (and the weak parts) of the D in the back 7-8 while hedging the bet on the OL.
I didn’t account for trade backs in the draft. A trade back would bring first round WRs and LBs and even a C into the discussion, and that’s too big of a ball right now.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 8, 2020 7:15:51 GMT -5
Did Conklin stay healthy this season? I wasn't following him at all. When healthy, he's quite good, but has had some issues over the years if I remember correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 18:22:16 GMT -5
We have yet to hear if he decides to stay or come out. If he declares it really opens up a bunch of possibilities for the team draft wise. While at times he had a bad game or 2(compared to Thomas being steady in his play the entire year)he indeed has elite tackle traits and coming from an O line factory already advanced technique wise(and unlike previously high ranked linemen coming out he has prototypical tackle arm length) With how the chips have fallen the past 2 weeks and a defensively dominated coaching staff has taken over in DC,and Detroit already having a good enough line and a horrific secondary where taking a tackle would be a really bad pick with Okudah being an obvious BPA meets need at 3..95% chance Thomas is there at 4. If Wirfs c0mes out,you have 2 blue chip tackles now there at 4,really opens up some trade back opportunities for us with Tua Tua declaring We need a pass rush and Bad. My pick is A.J. Epenesa
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2020 18:33:02 GMT -5
We have yet to hear if he decides to stay or come out. If he declares it really opens up a bunch of possibilities for the team draft wise. While at times he had a bad game or 2(compared to Thomas being steady in his play the entire year)he indeed has elite tackle traits and coming from an O line factory already advanced technique wise(and unlike previously high ranked linemen coming out he has prototypical tackle arm length) With how the chips have fallen the past 2 weeks and a defensively dominated coaching staff has taken over in DC,and Detroit already having a good enough line and a horrific secondary where taking a tackle would be a really bad pick with Okudah being an obvious BPA meets need at 3..95% chance Thomas is there at 4. If Wirfs c0mes out,you have 2 blue chip tackles now there at 4,really opens up some trade back opportunities for us with Tua Tua declaring We need a pass rush and Bad. My pick is A.J. Epenesa Horrible pick,especially if we stay in the 3/4 And he has a questionable motor... I'd rather trade back into the teens and take Chaisson
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 18:53:49 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2020 18:57:11 GMT -5
From Sept 2019 Huge drop off and bad scheme fit
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:10:23 GMT -5
From Sept 2019 Huge drop off and bad scheme fit Hmmm Thanks Bro
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 9, 2020 0:16:41 GMT -5
For these reasons, as well as Nick Gates playing well enough to be actual competition, I’ve come to rethink the “sign a FA RT” drum I’ve been beating. There’s some inherent risks. But, that way we wouldn’t tip our hand. It’d also open up the possibility of getting top tier-ish guys at LB and secondary without blowing the whole wad. Gates didn't have a good game vs Philly,at least good enough to where I would feel comfortable going into next year as him penciled in to compete with a draft pick.. I've seen this movie before staring Bobby Hart and Chad Wheeler,its called Groundhog day.. I'd rather go ballw out for Conklin...RT solved for 5 years Thomas or Wirfs...pushes Soldier maybe off the team... Then we figure out C in a deep C class.... I think solder could be cut with a June first designation for only 6 mill in dead cap for this year and next. Not terrible in other to get Thomas and Conklin on this oline I am so sick of this being such a weakness for us
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 9, 2020 2:27:20 GMT -5
Solders dead cap would be 13 million this year and would save about 6.5 in cap space.
Next off season his dead cap would be 6.5, but would save 14 if we cut him. I think he’s going to be on the roster next year. Hopefully as a very expensive backup/mentor.
We haven’t been successful in building even an average line this decade. I doubt it happens in one fell swoop from March 18th till April 25th.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 7:37:15 GMT -5
IMHO, Wirfs is going to be the first tackle taken...wrestling 285 cut/heavyweight champion going to amaze at the combines.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 11, 2020 7:42:06 GMT -5
IMHO, Wirfs is going to be the first tackle taken...wrestling 285 cut/heavyweight champion going to amaze at the combines. He’s supposed to be a great kid and super hard worker too .... I could definitely see him being the guy...hopefully after a trade-back!
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 11, 2020 7:46:13 GMT -5
Solders dead cap would be 13 million this year and would save about 6.5 in cap space. Next off season his dead cap would be 6.5, but would save 14 if we cut him. I think he’s going to be on the roster next year. Hopefully as a very expensive backup/mentor. We haven’t been successful in building even an average line this decade. I doubt it happens in one fell swoop from March 18th till April 25th. IMO, hiring Judge reduces the risk that we cut Solder before next season. I’m thinking that Judge will want to bring in some of “his guys” to be ambassadors in the locker room. He’s already got one in place in Solder
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 9:28:04 GMT -5
Solders dead cap would be 13 million this year and would save about 6.5 in cap space. Next off season his dead cap would be 6.5, but would save 14 if we cut him. I think he’s going to be on the roster next year. Hopefully as a very expensive backup/mentor. We haven’t been successful in building even an average line this decade. I doubt it happens in one fell swoop from March 18th till April 25th. IMO, hiring Judge reduces the risk that we cut Solder before next season. I’m thinking that Judge will want to bring in some of “his guys” to be ambassadors in the locker room. He’s already got one in place in Solder Yep, exactly this.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 11, 2020 9:46:52 GMT -5
IMHO, Wirfs is going to be the first tackle taken...wrestling 285 cut/heavyweight champion going to amaze at the combines. That's if he comes out Motorhead, Last name.....just sounds like an angry hard working O lineman.... Can I haz 2 of these
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:08:18 GMT -5
IMHO, Wirfs is going to be the first tackle taken...wrestling 285 cut/heavyweight champion going to amaze at the combines. That's if he comes out Motorhead, Last name.....just sounds like an angry hard working O lineman.... Can I haz 2 of these 9 more days till we find out...he "might" benefit for another year in Iowa...try and work that left tackle stuff out.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 11, 2020 11:02:21 GMT -5
Ferentz seems to be a great mentor for O Lineman. His program produces a lot of good ones.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 11, 2020 19:34:07 GMT -5
That's if he comes out Motorhead, Last name.....just sounds like an angry hard working O lineman.... Can I haz 2 of these 9 more days till we find out...he "might" benefit for another year in Iowa...try and work that left tackle stuff out. Sadly he goes back he is of no benefit to us because I have to think next year we will be in no position to get him. Interesting... When he eventually comes out and starts testing...he might shatter athletic marks for a tackle I have seen him running stride for stride with TEs and RBs on screens...I can see him running an unheard of sub 4.70 40 for an o lineman... If I get him and I have an innovative mind,get him learning some simple TE routes, 3rd and 1 midfield...tackle eligible deep seam Give me a shot of Siesta Key roasted coconut rum
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 14, 2020 20:07:15 GMT -5
He declared!!! Yessssss
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Post by lt56 on Jan 14, 2020 20:52:21 GMT -5
Going to be a good year and a DEEP Year for quality Offensive Lineman
Andrew Thomas, Austin Jackson, Tristan Wirfs, Mekhi Becton, Jedrick Wills, Josh Jones, Trey Adams, Trey Smith, Ezra Cleveland, Isiah Williams, Prince Tega Wanogho, Yasir Durant...
So if not with the #4 Pick, the Giants will still be able to grab a Quality Lineman probably 2nd Round. I'm hoping that our Offensive Line issues get addressed through Free Agency by signing Jack Conklin to play Right Tackle. If not Jack Conklin then BIG Zach Banner from the Steelers would be a great Free Agent Alternative to plug in at Right Tackle. Also Daryl Williams who Gettleman is very familiar with and Drafted when he was with the Panthers would also be a upgrade at Right Tackle and has experience playing Left Tackle. I don't think Solder is going anywhere so they can probably draft a guy later to develop behind Solder for a season or 2
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 14, 2020 23:55:23 GMT -5
Nice! Between Thomas and Wirfs(those are the oy 2 tackles that need to be in discussion for our 1st round pick)now a trade back to San Diego and we are probably guaranteed one of those 2
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 15, 2020 0:26:22 GMT -5
Nice! Between Thomas and Wirfs(those are the oy 2 tackles that need to be in discussion for our 1st round pick)now a trade back to San Diego and we are probably guaranteed one of those 2 Should, Tom Brady sign with the Chargers, as rumored. They will have no immediate need for a QB.
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 15, 2020 9:58:22 GMT -5
Nice! Between Thomas and Wirfs(those are the oy 2 tackles that need to be in discussion for our 1st round pick)now a trade back to San Diego and we are probably guaranteed one of those 2 Should, Tom Brady sign with the Chargers, as rumored. They will have no immediate need for a QB. Could be in play for Tua, who you probably won't expect to play in year one at all.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 28, 2020 20:25:21 GMT -5
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