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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 9, 2020 7:17:20 GMT -5
Interested to hear what everyone thinks of this guy. I’d love to see him as Ogletree’s replacement and line up next to Connelly. He looks like the best coverage linebacker I’ve ever seen. This is the type of player that can eliminate other teams match-up nightmare guys.
He has several plays through college where he is running step for step with rbs out of the backfield.
He is a capable blitzer using speed and elusiveness to get to the qb.
He’s not as strong in the run game as I’d like from a top prospect though. He is very fundamentally sound and fills his gap all the time. But seems to miss the opportunity to make a few plays because he doesn’t play beyond the scheme. On RPOs and fakes his read is a tick slow because he ensures that he covers his gap first, which is good but he stays on his assignment for that fraction too long before he makes his read.
If he isn’t directly involved in a tackle he doesn’t go and get involved. He just stands near the pile keeping his jersey clean until the next play.
Not typically what I like to see out of backers but he will set the benchmark for the new breed of coverage linebackers teams covet in the nfl now. When I first watched him I thought he is a top 15 guy. But that was old school thinking, his unique skill set could see him a lot higher. I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes 5-10.
Do you think he is a trade back option for us? Where do you see him going.
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 9, 2020 8:54:14 GMT -5
The LBs need a lot of help, so there is a need there. But, I think it comes from FA and the development of Connolly, Carter, OX, and day 2-3 picks.
We also don’t know what particular scheme we will run.
He reminds me of a taller Jabril Peppers coming out of school.
With a deep class at OT and WR (areas of equal if not more dire need) I don’t think I’d like to select Simmons. Unless we trade pretty far back and Thomas, Wirfs, Jeudy, and Lamb are already gone. Even then, I think Delpit or Biadszc are better need vs. value picks.
He is one of a few players in the championship game (Simmons, Higgins, Chiasson, Delpit, Jefferson) I’ll be watching very closely, though. I could see any of them being nice picks at the right spot. So this opinion is subject to change.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 9, 2020 9:40:39 GMT -5
He really looked a bit too boom or bust to even consider in the top 10 watching him vs Ohio state
Was directly responsible for the 2 big runs by Dobbins being out of position. And the rest of the first half he was MIA
Makes a very athletic play dropping 40 yards into coverage for that INT
He can be a great defensive weapon if used correctly.
I'm not risking a top 10 or 15 pick on a guy I'm not 100% sure can be schemed correctly to justify the pick. I want as sure fire a day one instant impact player as possible with our first pick He is not this player. I'd rather be wrong and he is falling on another team while we have a 10 year all pro LT then be right and we have a boom or bust player we don't know what to expect for 4 years here
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 9, 2020 17:35:01 GMT -5
He really looked a bit too boom or bust to even consider in the top 10 watching him vs Ohio state Was directly responsible for the 2 big runs by Dobbins being out of position. And the rest of the first half he was MIA Makes a very athletic play dropping 40 yards into coverage for that INT He can be a great defensive weapon if used correctly. I'm not risking a top 10 or 15 pick on a guy I'm not 100% sure can be schemed correctly to justify the pick. I want as sure fire a day one instant impact player as possible with our first pick He is not this player. I'd rather be wrong and he is falling on another team while we have a 10 year all pro LT then be right and we have a boom or bust player we don't know what to expect for 4 years here I definitely wish Dylan Moses was coming out this year, even with the ACL. He's the type of LB I'd really want on my team. I do think that the athleticism Isaiah brings and the extra things he allows your coordinator to put together needs to be heavily weighted. This is a guy has great eyes in zone coverage, and amazing in man to man. Imagine being able to put a LB on a RB or TE and not having to worry about them getting mismatched. It gives the D an ability to quickly swap coverages and not have to worry about who is gonna cover the slot. I honestly think this guy needs to be considered in the top 10. While yes I would take Chase Young or Andrew Thomas at 4, if both those guys are gone and a QB needy team wants to offer us 2 firsts to move up and take their guy, it brings someone like Simmons into consideration for us.
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 9, 2020 22:02:58 GMT -5
He really looked a bit too boom or bust to even consider in the top 10 watching him vs Ohio state Was directly responsible for the 2 big runs by Dobbins being out of position. And the rest of the first half he was MIA Makes a very athletic play dropping 40 yards into coverage for that INT He can be a great defensive weapon if used correctly. I'm not risking a top 10 or 15 pick on a guy I'm not 100% sure can be schemed correctly to justify the pick. I want as sure fire a day one instant impact player as possible with our first pick He is not this player. I'd rather be wrong and he is falling on another team while we have a 10 year all pro LT then be right and we have a boom or bust player we don't know what to expect for 4 years here Agreed, I just dont see him being the type of backer that goes high or mid 1st......maybe low 1st, high 2nd round......too much risk, bad value anywhere above pick 20 or so......
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 11, 2020 0:22:22 GMT -5
I actually think his game here showcases his unique skill set and why he should be considered top 10. I don’t think he’s responsible for Dobbins long run either. Looks to me like his job was to set the edge which he did and the inside backer should have scraped across and filled the gap. Yes Simmons could have played it better.
The guy is a lb that can cover a wr. With him and Jabrill on a field together the amount of speed and versatility we’d have would be ridiculous. Simmons would make a great QB spy for all the running QBs in the league now. Kenneth Murray also plays a nice spy but he doesn’t offer the deep coverage versatility that Simmons does.
I still think he’s a trade back target for us. Would like to see him put on 15 pounds before the combine.
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 11, 2020 2:23:52 GMT -5
We get to see him one more time this Monday night. I can see the Giants taking him with a trade down. But, not at four. Simmons needs at least two years to fill out and get stronger. Giants need OL and pass rushers . Also a free safety , Delpit is high on my list with a trade down Delpit can be seen this Monday night.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 11, 2020 4:20:07 GMT -5
We get to see him one more time this Monday night. I can see the Giants taking him with a trade down. But, not at four. Simmons needs at least two years to fill out and get stronger. Giants need OL and pass rushers . Also a free safety , Delpit is high on my list with a trade down Delpit can be seen this Monday night. I agree with all the needs. I just watched Delpit vs Alabama and he wasn’t great. Only game I’ve watched of his so far. He was always in good position. But he missed 3 or 4 solo tackles and struggled to get over the WRs when he was playing a deep safety. I’d have to watch more but from that game I saw a late round 1 day early day 2 guy which I know is far from the consensus.
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Post by TEM on Jan 11, 2020 8:39:31 GMT -5
We have more pressing needs to address with our 1st round pick.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 11, 2020 8:45:30 GMT -5
We have more pressing needs to address with our 1st round pick. We have a ton of needs, which hopefully will result in: (1) at least one trade back and (2) taking the BPA when we select
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Post by TEM on Jan 11, 2020 8:53:31 GMT -5
We have more pressing needs to address with our 1st round pick. We have a ton of needs, which hopefully will result in: (1) at least one trade back and (2) taking the BPA when we select I think we can trade back ( Jacksonville may want to move on a QB) They have 9 and 20. With those 2 picks. We can still get OT and pass rusher. Take a center with our 2nd round pick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 9:38:04 GMT -5
We have a ton of needs, which hopefully will result in: (1) at least one trade back and (2) taking the BPA when we select I think we can trade back ( Jacksonville may want to move on a QB) They have 9 and 20. With those 2 picks we can still get OT and pass rusher. Take a center with our 2nd round pick. That's a trade I am doing quite a bit on the fanspeak simulator...the depth at center this year is unreal.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 11, 2020 10:59:42 GMT -5
I think we can trade back ( Jacksonville may want to move on a QB) They have 9 and 20. With those 2 picks we can still get OT and pass rusher. Take a center with our 2nd round pick. That's a trade I am doing quite a bit on the fanspeak simulator...the depth at center this year is unreal. and we have a gaping hole there. Would be nice to draft a good one, have a huge ripple effect on the whole line.
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Post by lt56 on Jan 11, 2020 19:34:32 GMT -5
Our Defense is terrible and we can't cover the middle of the damn field
A Athletic Linebacker is a "Pressing Need"
Also the Defense need some attention too, they got the RB and the QB, time to get some playmakers on Defense. You not winning anything just putting on the attention on offense to score points and neglecting a defense that was terrible vs the Pass
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 11, 2020 19:57:06 GMT -5
Our Defense is terrible and we can't cover the middle of the damn field A Athletic Linebacker is a "Pressing Need" Also the Defense need some attention too, they got the RB and the QB, time to get some playmakers on Defense. You not winning anything just putting on the attention on offense to score points and neglecting a defense that was terrible vs the Pass I’d be happy with a trade back. Get Simmons around 10 and I like Xavier McKinney in the second. Should instantly improve our pass D and give us more versatility. I really like McKinney at deep safety although he does miss tackles when breaking down in space around the los.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 11, 2020 20:35:41 GMT -5
Our Defense is terrible and we can't cover the middle of the damn field A Athletic Linebacker is a "Pressing Need" Also the Defense need some attention too, they got the RB and the QB, time to get some playmakers on Defense. You not winning anything just putting on the attention on offense to score points and neglecting a defense that was terrible vs the Pass Not at 4 Not a boom or bust player like Simmons. Get some players in FA Byron Jones gives you a versatile corner that can play everywhere in the secondary everywhere Dante Fowler and bringing back Golden helps the pass rush Bring back Williams and keep the D line a strength We are getting Connelly back.. Let's you go BPA...which will be Thomas
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 11, 2020 20:45:59 GMT -5
I think Kenneth Murray is more NFL ready than Simmons . I have no idea where he will go. The more I watch him the more there is to like.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 11, 2020 22:26:34 GMT -5
I think Kenneth Murray is more NFL ready than Simmons . I have no idea where he will go. The more I watch him the more there is to like. Dye The 2 LSU lbs
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 11, 2020 22:54:58 GMT -5
I think Kenneth Murray is more NFL ready than Simmons . I have no idea where he will go. The more I watch him the more there is to like. Dye The 2 LSU lbs I stll like Murray better. Divinity is interesting but has some red flags. There is a kid from UCLA that I need to do some more digging on for inside linebacker duties his stats in coverage stand out.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 0:05:56 GMT -5
I stll like Murray better. Divinity is interesting but has some red flags. There is a kid from UCLA that I need to do some more digging on for inside linebacker duties his stats in coverage stand out. There is also.some athletic freak that is 6'7 220 ..forget where he plays... The son of tbe mad stork
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 12, 2020 3:19:21 GMT -5
I think Kenneth Murray is more NFL ready than Simmons . I have no idea where he will go. The more I watch him the more there is to like. I like Murray too looked like a good pick up at the top of the 2nd to me. I have seen people rating him about 20th though. Murray doesn’t offer deep zone coverage but he plays well when everything stays in front of him. He trusts his eyes and makes quick decisions when he needs to break on the ball.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 12, 2020 7:46:14 GMT -5
Take the best pass rusher / linebacker available at 4.. this team will not win until we can effectively put pressure on the QB and cover tight ends . Connelly was ok , but he's slow and coming off an acl will be even slower
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 12, 2020 10:11:32 GMT -5
Take the best pass rusher / linebacker available at 4.. this team will not win until we can effectively put pressure on the QB and cover tight ends . Connelly was ok , but he's slow and coming off an acl will be even slower What do you mean by slow ? I thought he was one of the best inside linebackers we have had on our team in quite a while. He covered TEs and RBs well and he hit the gaps faster than any linebacker we have fielded in the last 4 years.
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Post by lt56 on Jan 12, 2020 12:14:44 GMT -5
Our Defense is terrible and we can't cover the middle of the damn field A Athletic Linebacker is a "Pressing Need" Also the Defense need some attention too, they got the RB and the QB, time to get some playmakers on Defense. You not winning anything just putting on the attention on offense to score points and neglecting a defense that was terrible vs the Pass Not at 4 Not a boom or bust player like Simmons. Get some players in FA Byron Jones gives you a versatile corner that can play everywhere in the secondary everywhere Dante Fowler and bringing back Golden helps the pass rush Bring back Williams and keep the D line a strength We are getting Connelly back.. Let's you go BPA...which will be Thomas Yeah #4 is too high for a Linebacker but they can always trade back with someone looking to get in front of the Dolphins for a QB
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2020 12:23:27 GMT -5
Take the best pass rusher / linebacker available at 4.. this team will not win until we can effectively put pressure on the QB and cover tight ends . Connelly was ok , but he's slow and coming off an acl will be even slower What do you mean by slow ? I thought he was one of the best inside linebackers we have had on our team in quite a while. He covered TEs and RBs well and he hit the gaps faster than any linebacker we have fielded in the last 4 years. Not to mention targeting a position that doesn't have a player that has a high value at 4 is very flawed (after Young,there is not a pass rusher that is worth a top.10.pick,and neither is Simmons) hell We might actually have a very good linebacker group with a legit DC..find out what a player can do and build around that player's skillsets... Carter could blossom and with Connelly...a mid round pick at LB.... Resign Golden,sign Dante Fowler...
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Post by mj312 on Jan 12, 2020 12:42:07 GMT -5
Take the best pass rusher / linebacker available at 4.. this team will not win until we can effectively put pressure on the QB and cover tight ends . Connelly was ok , but he's slow and coming off an acl will be even slower What do you mean by slow ? I thought he was one of the best inside linebackers we have had on our team in quite a while. He covered TEs and RBs well and he hit the gaps faster than any linebacker we have fielded in the last 4 years. Connelly was no doubt playing well for us but our linebackers have been horrible over the last 7-8 years because we always get guys from the bargain bin. It's been that long since we have been able to cover tight ends and pressure the Qb. Connelly coming back off an ACL is going to effect him a bit and I can't remember off the top of my head but I thought he had a significant injury in college so I'm not sure how much we can rely on him . . The giants defensive routinely gets beat by slow tight ends , and are unable to pressure the Qb. We will not be competitive until we can get to the QB.
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 13, 2020 21:03:07 GMT -5
I think I see Simmons covering wrs here in this title game.
Seems to be a guy that when you look at what he can do and not what he can't do... I think he can do a lot
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Post by nygfanstrick on Jan 13, 2020 21:32:05 GMT -5
He is looking incredible right now. His versatility is remarkable. Wouldn’t have to worry about not being about to cover TEs week after week lol
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 13, 2020 22:49:33 GMT -5
We have a ton of needs, which hopefully will result in: (1) at least one trade back and (2) taking the BPA when we select I think we can trade back ( Jacksonville may want to move on a QB) They have 9 and 20. With those 2 picks. We can still get OT and pass rusher. Take a center with our 2nd round pick. Jacksonville has Minshew.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 13, 2020 23:42:51 GMT -5
He is looking incredible right now. His versatility is remarkable. Wouldn’t have to worry about not being about to cover TEs week after week lol He missed a tackle on a big catch and could have played burrows long run better at the end of the first half. But I think this game has cemented his spot as a top 10. He does like keeping his jersey clean though. Too often he is standing around a scrimmage rather than helping put someone to the turf. He’s my second favourite Defensive player in the draft so far.
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