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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 31, 2020 9:10:23 GMT -5
This is why it goes far and beyond just what the Astros got out of the cheating...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 31, 2020 9:18:55 GMT -5
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 1, 2020 16:13:11 GMT -5
Wow ...beyond the unfolding red sawx story the impact sign stealing had on 2017 Astros was truly historic... nypost.com/2020/02/01/the-evidence-that-could-doom-red-sox-in-cheating-scandal/The Athletic conducted a deep dive into the ’17 Astros that revealed how dramatically — and downright historically — that team improved at making contact. Most notably, their reduction in team strikeouts by 365 marked the most, by far, in the live-ball era (starting in 1920). And that reduction resulted primarily from an improvement at home (down by 242 strikeouts, compared to 123 on the road), where the sign-stealing scheme was fully operational.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 2, 2020 8:14:58 GMT -5
David Ortiz: Time to ‘move on’ from Astros’ sign-stealing scandal “You’ve got to move on,” Ortiz told FanSided’s Mark Carman. “[The sign stealing] is a mistake a group of people made, we punished them and it’s time to move on.” Ortiz also addressed the Astros controversy during an interview this week with Jesse Yomtov of USA TODAY., saying, “Sometimes people cross the line, like what just happened.” “When you are focused on the winning, winning, winning, sometimes you cross the line doing things that people disagree with,” Ortiz said, “and you personally, at some point, are like, ‘What was I doing?'” www.sportressofblogitude.com/2020/01/31/david-ortiz-time-to-move-on-astros-sign-stealing-scandal/----- #1 - Of course he wants to just move on from cheating, like they just moved on from his failed 2003 steroid test and he was never punished. #2 - and because he knows the Red Sox are next for the punishments for cheating in 2018. #3 - We punished them? We? How David? Altuve and Bregman and company didnt have anything happen to them. At all.
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 3, 2020 13:07:18 GMT -5
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Feb 4, 2020 17:59:52 GMT -5
New Astros GM James Click seeks quick success after replacing Jeff Luhnow HOUSTON -- James Click was introduced as the new general manager of the Houston Astros on Tuesday, joining a scandal-plagued team that scrambled to fill two major roles just before the start of spring training. Click took over for Jeff Luhnow, suspended for a season by Major League Baseball and then fired for his role in Houston's sign-stealing scandal. The Astros last week hired 70-year-old Dusty Baker to take over for AJ Hinch as manager. The 42-year-old Click spent the last three seasons as the Tampa Bay Rays' vice president of baseball operations. Click had been with Tampa Bay for the last 14 seasons. www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28634922/new-astros-gm-james-click-seeks-quick-success-replacing-jeff-luhnow
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 7, 2020 20:55:02 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 7, 2020 20:56:26 GMT -5
On Sept. 22, 2016, an intern in the Houston Astros organization showed general manager Jeff Luhnow a PowerPoint presentation that featured the latest creation by the team’s high-tech front office: an Excel-based application programmed with an algorithm that could decode the opposing catchers’ signs. It was called “Codebreaker.” The way Codebreaker worked was simple: Somebody would watch an in-game live feed and log the catcher’s signs into the spreadsheet, as well as the type of pitch that was actually thrown. With that information, Codebreaker determined how the signs corresponded with different pitches. Once decoded, that information would be communicated through intermediaries to a baserunner, who would relay them to the hitter. Starting around June 2017, the system was embellished by Astros players. They started watching a live game feed on a monitor near the dugout and then would bang on a trash can to communicate the coming pitch to the batter. The “banging scheme” lasted through the 2017 World Series, which the Astros won over the Los Angeles Dodgers. Manfred said Luhnow was unaware of the banging scheme. But everything started with Codebreaker, and the use of it to steal signs continued into 2018—not just at home, but also on the road. www.wsj.com/articles/houston-astros-cheating-scheme-dark-arts-codebreaker-11581112994
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 7, 2020 22:16:45 GMT -5
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 8, 2020 13:54:57 GMT -5
Nailed it: “ For me, when the trash cans stopped, it makes me think they just got smarter with the cheating, not that they stopped,” Ottavino said. Ultuve knew the pitch was coming, i said it then on this board, everything since has added to my confidence. That li'l freaking cheat Altuve, cost us perhaps a pair WCS appearances ----- nypost.com/2020/02/08/yankees-star-enraged-by-this-unsettling-jose-altuve-theory/There has been speculation that Jose Altuve, who hit the game-winning homer in Game 6 off Aroldis Chapman, knew a slider was coming — and Gio Urshela is among those who believe it. “Probably,” Urshela said Friday on “The Michael Kay Show,” adding, “it felt like [he had] some confidence in that at-bat against the best closer in the game and he probably knew it was coming.”
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 10, 2020 7:19:35 GMT -5
Justin Verlander Gets Heckled and Bangs Tee Shot off Trash Can at Pebble Beach in Blast of Karma!!!!
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 11, 2020 14:56:53 GMT -5
Angels’ Taylor Cole still upset over Astros cheating, possible buzzer usage
"After listening to this interview with AJ Hinch, the former manager of the Astros, I couldn’t help but wonder why when asked about whether the team used buzzers this past season that he didn’t answer with a clear cut “no”. Instead he mentioned that Major League Baseball did an investigation and found nothing. I believe the MLB needs to further the investigation into the buzzers. Every player I’ve talked to believes they were using them, not to mention all the reports that have come out on it. In the interview, Hinch said he hit the monitors with a bat in two separate situations indicating he wasn’t okay with it, but never had a team meeting about it and never told the guys to stop when he heard the banging in the dugout of the relaying of signs. Doesn’t sound like someone that was wanting this to stop as he was benefiting in a major way while players jobs were being derailed and families lives affected. One year seems like a nice bargain if you ask me. I also have reason to believe it happened in the Astros minor league system as well which is never talked about."
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Feb 13, 2020 11:01:27 GMT -5
Astros owner Jim Crane says cheating didn’t cost the Yankees a World Series: ‘This didn’t impact the game’ This answer isn’t likely to sit well with Yankee fans. Astros owner Jim Crane spoke Thursday morning as the franchise trotted out several players and execs to try to apologize for the sign-stealing scandal that has rocked the baseball world for the last few months. But when directly asked if his team’s cheating cost the Yankees a shot at winning a World Series title in 2017, Crane said "Our opinion is this didn’t impact the game. We had a good team. We won the World Series and we’ll leave it at that.” www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-jim-crane-astros-apology-sign-stealing-scandal-20200213-ai4ly2a4k5ejjitv255t62niwq-story.html
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 14, 2020 7:12:18 GMT -5
Astros owner Jim Crane says cheating didn’t cost the Yankees a World Series: ‘This didn’t impact the game’ This answer isn’t likely to sit well with Yankee fans. Astros owner Jim Crane spoke Thursday morning as the franchise trotted out several players and execs to try to apologize for the sign-stealing scandal that has rocked the baseball world for the last few months. But when directly asked if his team’s cheating cost the Yankees a shot at winning a World Series title in 2017, Crane said "Our opinion is this didn’t impact the game. We had a good team. We won the World Series and we’ll leave it at that.” www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-jim-crane-astros-apology-sign-stealing-scandal-20200213-ai4ly2a4k5ejjitv255t62niwq-story.htmlSo they cheated just for the fun of it? And they were careful to make sure their cheating didn't effect the out come? Lol ok
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 14, 2020 8:24:25 GMT -5
Jose Altuve, Astros ‘not telling the truth,’ says body-language expert: ‘The whole thing is scripted bull’ Body-language expert Traci Brown (left) believes Jose Altuve (right) lied after the 2019 ALCS and again Thursday when explaining why he didn't want his jersey ripped after hitting a pennant-winning homer against the Yankees. ALTUVE ALCS POST-GAME INTERVIEW Altuve quote: “(I didn’t want my jersey ripped because) I’m too shy. The last time I did that I got in trouble with my wife.” Brown’s thoughts: “He doesn’t have any trouble hearing any of the reporter’s questions except the one about the shirt. That’s a tell-tale of deception. And he answers that question differently looking down as he answers. He’s not telling the truth here about why he didn’t want his shirt ripped. And he smiles and laughs about this potentially very incriminating question. That’s called duper’s delight. He thinks he’s getting away with it.” ALTUVE DENYING BUZZER USE THURSDAY Altuve quote: “Nobody on this team had a buzzer. I don’t know what else to say about that. MLB did their investigation and they didn’t find anything. They found what they found in 2017. They did a really good investigation on the buzzer and they didn’t find anything, so when you said you don’t believe that I didn’t have a buzzer, you don’t believe what MLB investigated." Brown’s thoughts: “The first thing he says is that nobody was busted. That’s the same excuse we heard from Lance Armstrong. Word for word. And he’s shrugging his shoulders a lot. That’s showing uncertainty about what he’s saying. And he’s rolling his lips in over his teeth, which says he’s holding back info. And all this is in the first few seconds. He’s leaning on the findings of the investigation, not saying what he actually did or didn’t do.” CORREA DENYING BUZZER USE THURSDAY Correa quote: “If I’m lying here, I would lose credibility if something comes out, and that’s not what I want to do. You guys know me. I want to speak the truth every time I’m talking to you.” Brown’s thoughts: “He nods his head yes a bit as he says nothing in 2019 and he also backs away from the question when asked. He’s trying to get away from the question and angles himself away from the reporter. That doesn’t necessarily indicate deception, but I think when you add it up with some other little clues in there, I think there’s a pretty good chance of it. And when people say, ‘You know me’ or ‘anyone that knows me, that’s another telltale of deception. Between that and backing away from the question, I’d say he’s lying about it.” ASTROS NEWS CONFERENCE Alex Bregman quote: “I am really sorry about the choices that were made by my team, by the organization and by me. I have learned from this and I hope to regain the trust of baseball fans. I would also like to thank the Astros fans for all of their support. We as a team are totally focused on moving forward to the 2020 season. Thank you.” Altuve quote: “I also will be brief. We had a great team meeting last night, and I want to say that the Astros organization and the team feels bad about what happened in 2017. We especially feel remorse for the impact on our fans and the game of baseball. Our team is determined to move forward, to play with intensity and to bring back a championship to Houston in 2020. Thank you.” Brown’s thoughts: “Here’s the thing: There’s no emotion about that whole thing. They said we are sorry about this, but they weren’t sincere at all. And I’ll tell you what, they’re not sorry. They won. A couple of guys were fired. Who cares? They won." www.nj.com/yankees/2020/02/jose-altuve-astros-not-telling-the-truth-says-body-language-expert-the-whole-thing-is-scripted-bull.html
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Post by TEM on Feb 14, 2020 8:28:05 GMT -5
It was a staged joke from the owner down . All it did was insult the intelligence of MLB's fan base. The owner saying it did not impact the outcome of any game was the most condescending apology ever given.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 14, 2020 15:59:33 GMT -5
And now, the most amazing thing ever...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 15, 2020 16:35:24 GMT -5
Cheating in 2019 as well...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 15, 2020 16:38:19 GMT -5
Not a fan of Curt, but....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 15, 2020 16:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Feb 15, 2020 17:14:53 GMT -5
Correa doubles down.......
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 15, 2020 20:57:27 GMT -5
Correa doubles down....... Nice work. They won't tell anyone the facts. Then cuss people out for not knowing them. Do'h!
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Feb 15, 2020 22:43:49 GMT -5
Correa doubles down....... Nice work. They won't tell anyone the facts. Then cuss people out for not knowing them. Do'h! He's got another All-Star to cuss out now....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 16, 2020 9:48:55 GMT -5
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 16, 2020 14:04:57 GMT -5
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Post by Merc on Feb 16, 2020 15:09:42 GMT -5
The Astros should as a minimum be banned from the postseason for at least 3 years.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 16, 2020 20:39:31 GMT -5
Bullshit. They cant have any extra protection then any other club. Manfred dug his grave here. Plunk em. Early and often
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 16, 2020 21:30:09 GMT -5
Manfred has officially ****ed up more than Selig in MLB cheating... Rob Manfred defends Astros' punishment, says he would've penalized players in 'perfect world' 1. Manfred would've liked to punish players As part of MLB's investigation, Astros players were granted immunity in exchange for honest testimony. The players will always be the best resource and Manfred said granting immunity was the best way to reveal all the facts. In a "perfect world" though, Manfred would have liked to discipline the players. "Independent of what the GM did, the manager did, (the players) have an obligation to play by the rules and they didn't do it," Manfred said. "I understand when people say the players should've been punished. I understand why they feel that way ... If I was in a world where I could've found all the facts without granting immunity, I would've done that." 2. Manfred is not certain there were no buzzers "You're never 100 percent sure in any of these things, but these were my best judgments," he said. Manfred said MLB was aware of the buzzer allegations -- that includes the video of Jose Altuve refusing to remove his jersey following his ALCS walk-off home run -- before the garbage can investigation. According to Manfred, Astros players provided candid and consistent information regarding their cheating in 2017 and 2018, and they were equally consistent in their denials about the use of buzzers in 2019. He's taking their word for it. "We were aware of the (Altuve video) well before we commenced the investigation," Manfred said. "It was in fact part of the investigation. Here's where I came down on it: the players were candid about 2017 and the fact they violated the rules in 2017. They were candid and consistent that the rules were violated in 2018. They were equally consistently in their denials about this buzzer situation. 3. Retaliation will not be tolerated: **** that 4. MLB will have new rules to combat sign-stealing: Too late 5. Red Sox resolution is coming: Yeah sure. GTFO. Im sure since you went super soft baby ass on the Astros, the Red Sox will get a monumental 17th round loss of pick in 2042. www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rob-manfred-defends-astros-punishment-says-he-wouldve-penalized-players-in-perfect-world/live/
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 17, 2020 8:13:36 GMT -5
Cubs' Yu Darvish feels 'weird' that Astros still have 2017 World Series title Commissioner Rob Manfred said he wouldn't ask the Astros for a 'piece of metal back' "It's a weird feeling. Like, in the Olympics, when a player cheats, you can't have a Gold medal, right? But they still have a World Series title. That makes me feel weird. That's it. And one more thing. With Correa talking about Bellinger. I saw that yesterday. So they cheat, and I think right now that they don't have to talk. They shouldn't talk like that right now." www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/cubs-yu-darvish-feels-weird-that-astros-still-have-2017-world-series-title/
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 17, 2020 8:14:06 GMT -5
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