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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Feb 4, 2020 21:24:48 GMT -5
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 4, 2020 22:52:55 GMT -5
We will miss Mookie. Great player, great guy, but it had to be done. The Sox simply couldn't afford to sign him to a long term deal. And getting rid of Price is awesome. Price is no more than an average starter anymore. Plus he's always hurt.
Sad day for Sox fans....but they had no choice. It's the hard reality of business in professional sports.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 5, 2020 15:31:08 GMT -5
Dodgers, bailing out the Saux again. At least Mookie is a really good player...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 6, 2020 9:16:17 GMT -5
I dont think it is as much a bail out as last time. Definitely a salary dump for Boston (haha) including Price, but the Red Sox are still paying for half of Prices contract over the next 3 years. Thats $48M. The last time they did this it was for Crawford, Beckett and Agon. This time its for one of the best players to ever wear a Red Sox uniform. I still am astounded this day has come. I thought it would be one of those "Get Yankees fans all excited" and then bam, they pay Mookie. And look at this Sox forum and their thoughts on the return, Verdugo... sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/alex-verdugo-new-red-sox-star.29560/ |
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 6, 2020 9:36:51 GMT -5
Looks like the trade has hit a snag.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 6, 2020 9:54:29 GMT -5
Interesting. Did Boston not know he was projected as more of a reliever in the bigs? Seemed like that was common knowledge prior.
If it falls apart due to Graterol, maybe the Yanks can jump in and trade a prospect to get Maeda with Paxton out a couple months now.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 6, 2020 9:58:36 GMT -5
Interesting. Did Boston not know he was projected as more of a reliever in the bigs? Seemed like that was common knowledge prior. If it falls apart due to Graterol, maybe the Yanks can jump in and trade a prospect to get Maeda with Paxton out a couple months now. Has nothing to do with that. It';s about the medicals.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 6, 2020 10:02:18 GMT -5
We will miss Mookie. Great player, great guy, but it had to be done. The Sox simply couldn't afford to sign him to a long term deal. And getting rid of Price is awesome. Price is no more than an average starter anymore. Plus he's always hurt. Sad day for Sox fans....but they had no choice. It's the hard reality of business in professional sports. Lol, it did NOT have to be done. In what world has it ever been a good idea to throw in a superstar player in their prime into a salary dump type of deal? This is almost the equivalent of throwing Mike Trout into a deal to get rid of Pujols' contract. It was ridiculous for Boston to get rid of Betts like that. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 6, 2020 10:06:07 GMT -5
Interesting. Did Boston not know he was projected as more of a reliever in the bigs? Seemed like that was common knowledge prior. If it falls apart due to Graterol, maybe the Yanks can jump in and trade a prospect to get Maeda with Paxton out a couple months now. Has nothing to do with that. It';s about the medicals.
Right, but like I said, the medicals are indicating he is projected to be more a reliever in the future than a starter. Meaning, they dont see his arm going 200 IP a year. He has healed up from everything I read, TJ surgery from 2017, shoulder issues. Its just it doesnt appear his arm/shoulder can handle the load of a starter. That was known prior to the trade. Maybe Boston is getting gun shy with the backlash? A little, Eli Manning style? |
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 6, 2020 10:07:17 GMT -5
We will miss Mookie. Great player, great guy, but it had to be done. The Sox simply couldn't afford to sign him to a long term deal. And getting rid of Price is awesome. Price is no more than an average starter anymore. Plus he's always hurt. Sad day for Sox fans....but they had no choice. It's the hard reality of business in professional sports. Lol, it did NOT have to be done. In what world has it ever been a good idea to throw in a superstar player in their prime into a salary dump type of deal? This is almost the equivalent of throwing Mike Trout into a deal to get rid of Pujols' contract. It was ridiculous for Boston to get rid of Betts like that. They offered him $300MM and he turned it down. What can you do? He wants to test free agency. It's just what he wants to do...It's his right certainly.
The Sox would have him for one more season and they needed to get something for him. And they HAD to get under the luxury tax limit. Each year you are above it, the penalty increases.
And the Sox have bigger problems than losing Mookie Betts. They have NO starting pitching. They will still hit and score a lot of runs, with or without Mookie.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 6, 2020 10:13:47 GMT -5
Lol, it did NOT have to be done. In what world has it ever been a good idea to throw in a superstar player in their prime into a salary dump type of deal? This is almost the equivalent of throwing Mike Trout into a deal to get rid of Pujols' contract. It was ridiculous for Boston to get rid of Betts like that. They offered him $300MM and he turned it down. What can you do? He wants to test free agency. It's just what he wants to do...It's his right certainly.
The Sox would have him for one more season and they needed to get something for him. And they HAD to get under the luxury tax limit. Each year you are above it, the penalty increases.
And the Sox have bigger problems than losing Mookie Betts. They have NO starting pitching. They will still hit and score a lot of runs, with or without Mookie.
10 years $300m is lowballing one of the best in the league right now. Thats what Manny Machado got in SD a few years ago. I think a contract that takes Betts to age 38 is required. Thats 12 years. 12 years $420m is probable. Boston isnt scarce of money ya know. They just mishandled their priorities. Betts should have been priority #1. Then work out everyone else. |
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 6, 2020 10:20:17 GMT -5
They offered him $300MM and he turned it down. What can you do? He wants to test free agency. It's just what he wants to do...It's his right certainly.
The Sox would have him for one more season and they needed to get something for him. And they HAD to get under the luxury tax limit. Each year you are above it, the penalty increases.
And the Sox have bigger problems than losing Mookie Betts. They have NO starting pitching. They will still hit and score a lot of runs, with or without Mookie.
10 years $300m is lowballing one of the best in the league right now. Thats what Manny Machado got in SD a few years ago. I think a contract that takes Betts to age 38 is required. Thats 12 years. 12 years $420m is probable. Boston isnt scarce of money ya know. They just mishandled their priorities. Betts should have been priority #1. Then work out everyone else. Who can afford that when you are also paying other guys big money. They just paid Xander and Sale. Not to mention Martinez. You can't keep everyone and bankrupt the team. I know Yankee fans think they should just pay everyone but most teams have to make hard decisions.
The Sox need starting pitching. They need it bad. I assume their focus over the next few years with be in that direction. If Mookie was a starting pitcher, they probably would have made a different decision.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 6, 2020 10:20:34 GMT -5
Mookies contract is very similar to Gleyber Torres. Both hit FA at age 27. Both seem to be very nice guys and great in the community.
If Torres is as great as Mookie Betts in his career going forward, I would be pissed if they traded him to unload payroll, even if its the last 5 years of Stantons contract. Teams like the Yankees and Red Sox and Cubs and Dodgers and Angels shouldnt be worried about unloading contracts if it includes top players. I really hope the Yankees understand this and get to extend Torres after this season and keep him a life long Yankee. I think he is that good.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 6, 2020 10:22:49 GMT -5
10 years $300m is lowballing one of the best in the league right now. Thats what Manny Machado got in SD a few years ago. I think a contract that takes Betts to age 38 is required. Thats 12 years. 12 years $420m is probable. Boston isnt scarce of money ya know. They just mishandled their priorities. Betts should have been priority #1. Then work out everyone else. Who can afford that when you are also paying other guys big money. They just paid Xander and Sale. Not to mention Martinez. You can't keep everyone and bankrupt the team. I know Yankee fans think they should just pay everyone but most teams have to make hard decisions.
The Sox need starting pitching. They need it bad. I assume their focus over the next few years with be in that direction. If Mookie was a starting pitcher, they probably would have made a different decision.
Thats why I said they screwed up. Its not just Yankee fans by the way, look at the upset Boston fans right now. They messed up paying Xander and JD and Sale and Price before paying Mookie. Mookie should have been locked up a long time ago. Yes he wants to test FA, but thats because they offered him a low ball deal. |
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 6, 2020 10:37:33 GMT -5
Who can afford that when you are also paying other guys big money. They just paid Xander and Sale. Not to mention Martinez. You can't keep everyone and bankrupt the team. I know Yankee fans think they should just pay everyone but most teams have to make hard decisions.
The Sox need starting pitching. They need it bad. I assume their focus over the next few years with be in that direction. If Mookie was a starting pitcher, they probably would have made a different decision.
Thats why I said they screwed up. Its not just Yankee fans by the way, look at the upset Boston fans right now. They messed up paying Xander and JD and Sale and Price before paying Mookie. Mookie should have been locked up a long time ago. Yes he wants to test FA, but thats because they offered him a low ball deal. You pay one player $400MM....and you are going to lose a lot of baseball games.
Or did we see the Padres and Phillies fighting for the right to play the Angels in the World Series last year?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 6, 2020 10:43:41 GMT -5
Thats why I said they screwed up. Its not just Yankee fans by the way, look at the upset Boston fans right now. They messed up paying Xander and JD and Sale and Price before paying Mookie. Mookie should have been locked up a long time ago. Yes he wants to test FA, but thats because they offered him a low ball deal. You pay one player $400MM....and you are going to lose a lot of baseball games.
Or did we see the Padres and Phillies fighting for the right to play the Angels in the World Series last year?
Not true. I understand what you are saying though, but the Yankees were paying Stanton and Ellsbury ($50m) to sit all last year and still punched out 103 wins due to having cost efficient players as well. Obviously the small market teams wont go for it, but Boston 100% could have given Mookie a $400m deal over 11-12 years and still and room to move around with all the youth on their team right now. The problem with the Phillies is, Bryce Harper was overrated big time. And as for the Padres, they are a smaller market team so that was their one big load. Everything else was pretty much cost controlled and they couldnt get it done. Completely different situations as Boston. I do agree though Bostons pitching could be a big concern in 2020. Whats the rotation now? Sale, Rodriguez...? |
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 6, 2020 12:19:50 GMT -5
You pay one player $400MM....and you are going to lose a lot of baseball games.
Or did we see the Padres and Phillies fighting for the right to play the Angels in the World Series last year?
Not true. I understand what you are saying though, but the Yankees were paying Stanton and Ellsbury ($50m) to sit all last year and still punched out 103 wins due to having cost efficient players as well. Obviously the small market teams wont go for it, but Boston 100% could have given Mookie a $400m deal over 11-12 years and still and room to move around with all the youth on their team right now. The problem with the Phillies is, Bryce Harper was overrated big time. And as for the Padres, they are a smaller market team so that was their one big load. Everything else was pretty much cost controlled and they couldnt get it done. Completely different situations as Boston. I do agree though Bostons pitching could be a big concern in 2020. Whats the rotation now? Sale, Rodriguez...? To me...it's kind of trying to win while your QB is on his rookie deal.
You pay ONE player $40MM/year, and winning becomes much more difficult.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 6, 2020 13:37:55 GMT -5
Not true. I understand what you are saying though, but the Yankees were paying Stanton and Ellsbury ($50m) to sit all last year and still punched out 103 wins due to having cost efficient players as well. Obviously the small market teams wont go for it, but Boston 100% could have given Mookie a $400m deal over 11-12 years and still and room to move around with all the youth on their team right now. The problem with the Phillies is, Bryce Harper was overrated big time. And as for the Padres, they are a smaller market team so that was their one big load. Everything else was pretty much cost controlled and they couldnt get it done. Completely different situations as Boston. I do agree though Bostons pitching could be a big concern in 2020. Whats the rotation now? Sale, Rodriguez...? To me...it's kind of trying to win while your QB is on his rookie deal.
You pay ONE player $40MM/year, and winning becomes much more difficult.
Dont forget how much higher the luxury tax threshold will go up during those 10-12 years too. Last I saw, it could go up almost $20m in the next negotiations, which could be as early as 2021... |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 6, 2020 15:52:11 GMT -5
Imagine if the trade doesnt work and Boston pulls out? lol Im sure Betts and Price would love that (and feel the love)...
Boston's negligence of reviewing Graterols history before the trade is amazing.
Personally, I really think they may have gotten gun shy after hearing the fanbases backlash.
Get ready to pony up $400m Morehead!
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 6, 2020 16:13:56 GMT -5
Imagine if the trade doesnt work and Boston pulls out? lol Im sure Betts and Price would love that (and feel the love)... Boston's negligence of reviewing Graterols history before the trade is amazing. Personally, I really think they may have gotten gun shy after hearing the fanbases backlash. Get ready to pony up $400m Morehead! You're finally starting to lose it. |
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Feb 6, 2020 19:22:54 GMT -5
Interesting. Did Boston not know he was projected as more of a reliever in the bigs? Seemed like that was common knowledge prior. If it falls apart due to Graterol, maybe the Yanks can jump in and trade a prospect to get Maeda with Paxton out a couple months now. Has nothing to do with that. It';s about the medicals.
When I saw video highlights of Graterol yesterday I thought to myself. My God, his wind up is terrible. He doesn't follow through at all, and his shoulder will fall apart someday. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 8, 2020 15:54:59 GMT -5
Deal called off as Twins pull out!
Good for them not getting raped by Boston pulling some shady shit as always.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 8, 2020 18:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 9, 2020 18:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 10, 2020 7:34:11 GMT -5
To conclude this thread...
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