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Post by McCherry on Feb 9, 2020 12:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 9, 2020 12:41:09 GMT -5
That's about what I said day 1 after the trade. He would take us to the cleaners the least and he wont take a discount. As bad as it looks for Gettleman making that awful dumb trade he needs to let him walk if that is true. That money needs to go elsewhere.
Egg on face.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 9, 2020 12:42:27 GMT -5
It’s speculation at this point. But if that’s the market value you have to think Williams and his camp want in that ballpark of annual salary. And if the Giants pay him that they might as well put a kick me sign on their backsides. Because they would be idiots to pay Williams that kind of money.
Never liked this trade from the start, a 2-6 team trading draft picks for a player on his last year of his contract. And a player who is labeled “not playing up to his potential.” Williams is an ok player, not great, but not bad. Ugh, I feel we’re going to give him whatever he wants because Gettleman HAS to justify the trade.
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Post by Delicreep on Feb 9, 2020 12:43:44 GMT -5
For me, that trade comes down to the price of signing him. I don’t know the exact number, but I know it ain’t 15m.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 9, 2020 13:00:24 GMT -5
Let him walk and get our 3rd rounder back as a comp pick....We lose a 5th rounder and draft position
He is not worth $15mill Jets knew it.
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Post by hadenough on Feb 9, 2020 13:03:41 GMT -5
Pass...
As they say...don’t throw good money after bad.
If he wants that much...Gettleman will have to swallow his pride and admit he made a dreadful decision...and hopefully never does it again.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 9, 2020 13:06:31 GMT -5
Let him walk and get our 3rd rounder back as a comp pick....We lose a 5th rounder and draft position He is not worth $15mill Jets knew it. We wont get that 3rd round pick if they hand out a big contract this offseason, which I'm 99% sure we will.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Feb 9, 2020 13:07:07 GMT -5
I thought he may get $15 mil the day we traded for him and felt like he would be worth it. Based on what I've read of what he does against the run and with getting pressure on the QB from up the middle, I think he makes the entire defense better without looking flashy himself. He is a top 5 player against the run and a top 10 player when it comes to impacting the QB. For those who insist on getting a bargain and confident he won't get $15mil on the open market, transition tag him and let him walk if he gets past $12 million. For my part, he will be a bargain at 15 million in a few years, so I say sign him. Since he is a young, high character guy from all accounts, front load a 5-year deal to make CAP management easier down the road.
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Post by moecoastie on Feb 9, 2020 13:09:23 GMT -5
For me, that trade comes down to the price of signing him. I don’t know the exact number, but I know it ain’t 15m. It could very well be 15m but Im thinking 13-14. There are some ultra one-dimensional DTs making 11-12m who signed a few years ago so you have to take into account inflation. At the end of the day, 15mil is what I sorta expected the asking price to be. Its not elite DT money like Donald but its good DT money. Also, does anyone have details on the trade as to if it could be switched to the NYG compensatory 3rd round if they are awarded one this year? That way we keep #68. I know you can trade compensatory picks even if they werent awarded during the time of the trade but it needs to be specified at the time of the trade. All Ive heard is its a 3rd rounder....no details on the wording of the trade.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 9, 2020 13:09:41 GMT -5
I thought he may get $15 mil the day we traded for him and felt like he would be worth it. Based on what I've read of what he does against the run and with getting pressure on the QB from up the middle, I think he makes the entire defense better without looking flashy himself. He is a top 5 player against the run and a top 10 player when it comes to impacting the QB. For those who insist on getting a bargain and confident he won't get $15mil on the open market, transition tag him and let him walk if he gets past $12 million. For my part, he will be a bargain at 15 million in a few years, so I say sign him. Since he is a young, high character guy from all accounts, front load a 5-year deal to make CAP management easier down the road. Whatever you say Leonard..
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Post by McCherry on Feb 9, 2020 13:16:45 GMT -5
I thought he may get $15 mil the day we traded for him and felt like he would be worth it. Based on what I've read of what he does against the run and with getting pressure on the QB from up the middle, I think he makes the entire defense better without looking flashy himself. He is a top 5 player against the run and a top 10 player when it comes to impacting the QB. For those who insist on getting a bargain and confident he won't get $15mil on the open market, transition tag him and let him walk if he gets past $12 million. For my part, he will be a bargain at 15 million in a few years, so I say sign him. Since he is a young, high character guy from all accounts, front load a 5-year deal to make CAP management easier down the road. The Giants were aware of this too. I have no problem with the price tag if the Giants decide he is within that tier of players. It’s about the structure more than the average yearly breakdown.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 9, 2020 13:17:28 GMT -5
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Post by TEM on Feb 9, 2020 13:18:43 GMT -5
He is not getting 15 from any team. He isn't an O-linemen (9-11 range)
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Post by lasion2 on Feb 9, 2020 13:25:22 GMT -5
I’m gonna guess 4 years, 57 million. 33 guaranteed.
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Post by Bigjeep on Feb 9, 2020 14:25:45 GMT -5
One of the worst trades In Giants history and with the Jets at that! Still can't understand how he could pull the trigger on that trade for a team with no chance to make the playoffs!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 15:29:44 GMT -5
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 9, 2020 15:38:56 GMT -5
Still makes no sense why at 2-6 you make a trade for a player that A) hasnt lived up to his potential and B) will need a contract when the season is over. Makes less sense when you drafted Lawrence in the first and you had just drafted BJ Hill the year prior in the 3rd. That just means you have spend a 1st, two 3rds and likely 15 million on your defensive line and you run a 3-4, so you STILL need to use assets to get a pass rusher.
I like BJ Hill but daammn Fred Warner would have been lovely as hell at 69 in 2018.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 9, 2020 16:55:18 GMT -5
“Could be” seeking “upwards of”....
This statement means absolutely nothing
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 9, 2020 17:01:27 GMT -5
“Could be” seeking “upwards of”.... This statement means absolutely nothing Doesnt mean it isnt correct though. Especially his asking price to the Giants since we have draft picks already invested in him and he has the leverage.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 9, 2020 17:32:39 GMT -5
Sign him.
We have a QB on a rookie contract. We have a very good nucleus of young talent, also on rookie contracts. We have money to spend, and despite the opinions of fans simply looking a sack numbers, Williams is a force to be reckoned with inside and is absolutely a player to build around. He's also 25.
Sign him.
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Post by TEM on Feb 9, 2020 17:33:31 GMT -5
“Could be” seeking “upwards of”.... This statement means absolutely nothing Doesnt mean it isnt correct though. Especially his asking price to the Giants since we have draft picks already invested in him and he has the leverage. The whole leverage thing is an illusion The 3rd that is given could be the Collins comp pick and a 4th next year if signed or a 5th if not. No big deal.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Feb 9, 2020 17:35:44 GMT -5
He is not geting that here lol. Now that trade looks even worse with the loss of the 3red round pick
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Post by Delicreep on Feb 9, 2020 17:36:01 GMT -5
Doesnt mean it isnt correct though. Especially his asking price to the Giants since we have draft picks already invested in him and he has the leverage. The whole leverage thing is an illusion The 3rd that is given could be the Collins comp pick and a 4th next year if signed or a 5th if not. No big deal. Well...it's not an illusion exactly, but I'll believe it matters when I hear a player say, "I'm a mid level player and should be paid as such".
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 9, 2020 17:46:02 GMT -5
I thought he may get $15 mil the day we traded for him and felt like he would be worth it. Based on what I've read of what he does against the run and with getting pressure on the QB from up the middle, I think he makes the entire defense better without looking flashy himself. He is a top 5 player against the run and a top 10 player when it comes to impacting the QB. For those who insist on getting a bargain and confident he won't get $15mil on the open market, transition tag him and let him walk if he gets past $12 million. For my part, he will be a bargain at 15 million in a few years, so I say sign him. Since he is a young, high character guy from all accounts, front load a 5-year deal to make CAP management easier down the road. He has something a lot of guys don't he can play in either front from from 0 to the 5 in either front and be effective at every position. my tag was 13 to 14 he is worth it.
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Post by soflo on Feb 9, 2020 17:48:30 GMT -5
That's about what I said day 1 after the trade. He would take us to the cleaners the least and he wont take a discount. As bad as it looks for Gettleman making that awful dumb trade he needs to let him walk if that is true. That money needs to go elsewhere. Egg on face. We extended Justin Tuck for an absolute bargain of a deal and Williams sure as hell ain't no Tuck, who could have leveraged his super bowl performance against us. So if this guy is going to usee the Giants having painting themselves in a corner to get money that not even a far better lineman asked for, then adios and at least we don't lose the third rounder. But man, if that goes down, giving the jets a fourth rounder, which is more like a late third, for a rental on a 4 win team? What indeed was Gettleman thinking. ...unless his "thinking" is to actually overpay Williams AND lose two picks. And the only way this remotely works in our favor is if the new coaching bails him out and elevates Williams' game back to 2015 levels.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 9, 2020 18:10:08 GMT -5
Doesnt mean it isnt correct though. Especially his asking price to the Giants since we have draft picks already invested in him and he has the leverage. The whole leverage thing is an illusion The 3rd that is given could be the Collins comp pick and a 4th next year if signed or a 5th if not. No big deal. How could the third be the comp pick?
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 9, 2020 18:14:42 GMT -5
“Could be” seeking “upwards of”.... This statement means absolutely nothing Doesnt mean it isnt correct though. Especially his asking price to the Giants since we have draft picks already invested in him and he has the leverage. It’s being touted like some sort of breaking news ... it means less than nothing. Even if it’s correct, it means nothing. Just because he could seek something doesn’t mean that he will or that he will get it. And what does “upwards of $15M” mean? $14M? $13M? $12M? This is the epitome of clickbait journalism
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Post by thetruth on Feb 9, 2020 18:20:38 GMT -5
exactly what I thought. Too bad he's not really good. Good thing Gettlemen is the expert. I would take the loss in the inexplicable draft capital we gave up for him and still sign Armstead. Who's a better player in every facet in the game
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Post by thetruth on Feb 9, 2020 18:22:43 GMT -5
Let him walk and get our 3rd rounder back as a comp pick....We lose a 5th rounder and draft position He is not worth $15mill Jets knew it. we dont get a comp pick if he walks away. This is what Gettlemen thought too and its not accurate. Its evaluated from a macro perspective, total ins/outs in FA.
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Post by TEM on Feb 9, 2020 18:28:17 GMT -5
The whole leverage thing is an illusion The 3rd that is given could be the Collins comp pick and a 4th next year if signed or a 5th if not. No big deal. How could the third be the comp pick? It as been reported the Collins will produce a 3rd round comp pick.The deal did no specify what 3rd round pick the Giants would have to produce for the trade. I am just using logic on what I would give if the compensation was not specified.. giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/26/new-york-giants-projected-receive-four-compensatory-picks-2020-nfl-draft/PS: I have been drinking Rum and Cokes so it if is incoherent. I have an excuse
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