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Post by infinite420 on Feb 28, 2020 8:06:50 GMT -5
Such a stud, 6'3, 210, 4.38 40? Damn !!!!
Guy has #1 written all over him
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 8:10:15 GMT -5
Man there are so many talented WRs in this class, we will never see this again. I hope we snag one day 1 or day 2.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 8:32:49 GMT -5
Man there are so many talented WRs in this class, we will never see this again. I hope we snag one day 1 or day 2. But there are fans that insist WR is not a need and wait till the end of day 3 ... Especially when Shepard is one concussion away from retirement and Tate is on fumes Unfortunately Mims is now probably going round 1 Which is OK because it pushes a guy like Justin Jefferson down to us(similar type reciever)
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 8:58:08 GMT -5
But there are fans that insist WR is not a need and wait till the end of day 3 ... Especially when Shepard is one concussion away from retirement and Tate is on fumes Unfortunately Mims is now probably going round 1 Which is OK because it pushes a guy like Justin Jefferson down to us(similar type reciever) Sports fans, like any other population, has opinions and many times they are foolish. I break needs into a few categories. 1) We don't have a capable starter, 2) we have a starter but need an upgrade, 3) starters are good, need depth, X) pass rushers, you can never have too many.
I think WR is priority level 2 for us. OT, C and OLB are all priority 1.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 28, 2020 8:58:36 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 9:09:20 GMT -5
Lol @ getting him on day 2 now.. With that speed and size/skillsets he is in the Randy Moss/Plax at his best zone... He might go mid 1st round now
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 9:17:50 GMT -5
But there are fans that insist WR is not a need and wait till the end of day 3 ... Especially when Shepard is one concussion away from retirement and Tate is on fumes Unfortunately Mims is now probably going round 1 Which is OK because it pushes a guy like Justin Jefferson down to us(similar type reciever) Sports fans, like any other population, has opinions and many times they are foolish. I break needs into a few categories. 1) We don't have a capable starter, 2) we have a starter but need an upgrade, 3) starters are good, need depth, X) pass rushers, you can never have too many.
I think WR is priority level 2 for us. OT, C and OLB are all priority 1.
My category of need at WR is simple This is our depth chart currently signed Slayton Shepard (one concussion away from retirement) Tate(running on fumes and production is going to not be worth his salary) This is as big a need as any,especially for a young qb that needs as many weapons as he can to develop ASAP,because having as many guys that can get quick seperation helps him process info faster at his experience level... I'm not saying 1st round because we have the fab 4 that can solve our LT situation for a decade... But anything from rounds 2-4 where all of these studs will be valued it's a must and you can't prioritize by position,therefore if BPA is Justin Jefferson of even by some luck Mims is there you have to take that guy there.. Remember We can fix a lot of the defense in FA,get Littleton,some corner help And why now I'm advocating signing McGovern at C,in addition to having a solid vet to help call protections and take that off Jones plate while he is still learning it takes a need off the table Because while we all prefer a trade back,reality says it might not happen and these will be the only picks we get this year..
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 28, 2020 9:23:00 GMT -5
Lol @ getting him on day 2 now.. With that speed and size/skillsets he is in the Randy Moss/Plax at his best zone... He might go mid 1st round now When I first saw him play, I "knew" he was a first round pick. When I started researching him, I was shocked he was predicted to go in the 3rd round. Didn't make sense to me.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 9:28:32 GMT -5
Lol @ getting him on day 2 now.. With that speed and size/skillsets he is in the Randy Moss/Plax at his best zone... He might go mid 1st round now When I first saw him play, I "knew" he was a first round pick. When I started researching him, I was shocked he was predicted to go in the 3rd round. Didn't make sense to me. Me and aris were grabbing Mims in the 6th and 7th round as late as November in the mocks..we both knew he would be a day 2 guy... That now is a pile dream
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 28, 2020 10:54:26 GMT -5
Man there are so many talented WRs in this class, we will never see this again. I hope we snag one day 1 or day 2. I think it better be day 2 because I don't wantt to start wasting another WR and anymore of SQBs careers. No matter how much of a strange dude OBJ was they wasted the first half of his career and the last half of Eli's they gotta get the OL right and some depth.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 10:57:34 GMT -5
Man there are so many talented WRs in this class, we will never see this again. I hope we snag one day 1 or day 2. I think it better be day 2 because I don't wantt to start wasting another WR and anymore of SQBs careers. No matter how much of a strange dude OBJ was they wasted the first half of his career and the last half of Eli's they gotta get the OL right and some depth. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying we should go WR at 4, but if we trade down and get extra picks I have no problem taking a stud WR on day one. Yes we need to get OL help and we better not wait until draft night to start fixing it.
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 28, 2020 11:00:04 GMT -5
Man there are so many talented WRs in this class, we will never see this again. I hope we snag one day 1 or day 2. But there are fans that insist WR is not a need and wait till the end of day 3 ... Especially when Shepard is one concussion away from retirement and Tate is on fumes Unfortunately Mims is now probably going round 1 Which is OK because it pushes a guy like Justin Jefferson down to us(similar type reciever) Mims, Jefferson, Higgins all should be in that late 1st, early 2nd discussion. All #1's, all can highpoint the ball, and all of them have exceptional speed for their size. If Im DG, this is where I pull the trigger at WR, round 2, unless we can trade back into the teens. Personally I dont have guys like Ruggs or Reagor on my board anymore, we desperately need some size outside. It's crazy how the same 40 times can look so much different. Lamb versus Jeudy in particular, Lambs out of the gate speed was incredible !!!! Jeudy had better top end speed, but ran almost identical times.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 28, 2020 11:00:40 GMT -5
When I first saw him play, I "knew" he was a first round pick. When I started researching him, I was shocked he was predicted to go in the 3rd round. Didn't make sense to me. Me and aris were grabbing Mims in the 6th and 7th round as late as November in the mocks..we both knew he would be a day 2 guy... That now is a pile dream He's gonna go pretty high there are a lot of WRs tho. Maybe DG will do something if they can trade down get tackle. They can either use the assets to get back up or trade with some one a little further down risking having to second tear it on a tackle. Think you had them trading with the Raiders but I don't see any reason they would have to trade. Gruden likes vets and there are a few good ones out their his favorite TB12 is there for now.
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 28, 2020 11:02:41 GMT -5
When I first saw him play, I "knew" he was a first round pick. When I started researching him, I was shocked he was predicted to go in the 3rd round. Didn't make sense to me. Me and aris were grabbing Mims in the 6th and 7th round as late as November in the mocks..we both knew he would be a day 2 guy... That now is a pile dream I shook my head at those mocks too. He was one the 5 best college WRs this year
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 28, 2020 11:04:34 GMT -5
I think it better be day 2 because I don't wantt to start wasting another WR and anymore of SQBs careers. No matter how much of a strange dude OBJ was they wasted the first half of his career and the last half of Eli's they gotta get the OL right and some depth. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying we should go WR at 4, but if we trade down and get extra picks I have no problem taking a stud WR on day one. Yes we need to get OL help and we better not wait until draft night to start fixing it. I don't know Mike I'm not in the Concklin camp he is a problem in pass pro he had the most help of any tackle this year. think this needs to be done through the draft to make this a sustainable rebuild. Look at the Rams they are a mess.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 28, 2020 11:58:32 GMT -5
Sports fans, like any other population, has opinions and many times they are foolish. I break needs into a few categories. 1) We don't have a capable starter, 2) we have a starter but need an upgrade, 3) starters are good, need depth, X) pass rushers, you can never have too many.
I think WR is priority level 2 for us. OT, C and OLB are all priority 1.
My category of need at WR is simple This is our depth chart currently signed Slayton Shepard (one concussion away from retirement) Tate(running on fumes and production is going to not be worth his salary) This is as big a need as any,especially for a young qb that needs as many weapons as he can to develop ASAP,because having as many guys that can get quick seperation helps him process info faster at his experience level... I'm not saying 1st round because we have the fab 4 that can solve our LT situation for a decade... But anything from rounds 2-4 where all of these studs will be valued it's a must and you can't prioritize by position,therefore if BPA is Justin Jefferson of even by some luck Mims is there you have to take that guy there.. Remember We can fix a lot of the defense in FA,get Littleton,some corner help And why now I'm advocating signing McGovern at C,in addition to having a solid vet to help call protections and take that off Jones plate while he is still learning it takes a need off the table Because while we all prefer a trade back,reality says it might not happen and these will be the only picks we get this year.. I wouldn't wait past round 3 for a WR I would take Mc Govern has been My target in freeagencey. Draft the tackle. if they can get a trade down partner get enough o get back up in the first I would take my LB or WR there where ever the value points. I would say LB because Pickens are slime then use the second rounder on the best available WR. then enjoy the rest of the draft. Like your lay out and yes there is a possibility we might not have a trade partner but word is Love and Herbert are climbing fingers crossed.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 12:10:38 GMT -5
Apparently Van Jefferson has an issue keeping him out of action 6 to 8 weeks that I didn't know about..so he might not even work out before the draft Doubt that it's a huge issue but we could luck out as he might fall to the 4th
Prototypical modern WR ..
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 12:34:28 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying we should go WR at 4, but if we trade down and get extra picks I have no problem taking a stud WR on day one. Yes we need to get OL help and we better not wait until draft night to start fixing it. I don't know Mike I'm not in the Concklin camp he is a problem in pass pro he had the most help of any tackle this year. think this needs to be done through the draft to make this a sustainable rebuild. Look at the Rams they are a mess. My issue is if we do not sign a free agent then we absolutely have to take an OT in the first two rounds, maybe be forced to take one round 1. So what happens if Young falls to us? We pass on Young for an OT or take Young and go into the season without a RT. Sucks either way. I'm not saying we have to sign Conklin or Costanzo to a huge contract, but we need to bring in help for the OL before the draft. It's foolish not to.
Conklin is not nearly as bad in pass pro as the detractors here make it seem. His strength is certainly run blocking but he isn't horrible as a pass blocker. I'm not saying he should be the guy we sign, but we certainly should sign someone. Conklin is better than Remmers in every aspect and way better at run blocking.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 28, 2020 13:02:46 GMT -5
I'll take any of the sub 4.45 WR's
Such a talented group........Imagine Henry Ruggs on this team? Jerry Jeudy is going to fall. We can trade back and get our OT and WR.
OPEn FOR BUSINESS!!!!!!!
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 28, 2020 13:21:35 GMT -5
Apparently Van Jefferson has an issue keeping him out of action 6 to 8 weeks that I didn't know about..so he might not even work out before the draft Doubt that it's a huge issue but we could luck out as he might fall to the 4th Prototypical modern WR .. Jones fracture, eeeek.......bad injury for an twitchy WR
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 13:53:15 GMT -5
Apparently Van Jefferson has an issue keeping him out of action 6 to 8 weeks that I didn't know about..so he might not even work out before the draft Doubt that it's a huge issue but we could luck out as he might fall to the 4th Prototypical modern WR .. Jones fracture, eeeek.......bad injury for an twitchy WR Jones? You mean Anne lis franke? Ick That's going to take till training camp to heal so no spring offseason Daym... That is a drop till mid day 3 now.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 13:53:54 GMT -5
I'll take any of the sub 4.45 WR's Such a talented group........Imagine Henry Ruggs on this team? Jerry Jeudy is going to fall. We can trade back and get our OT and WR. OPEn FOR BUSINESS!!!!!!! Exactly
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 28, 2020 14:55:30 GMT -5
I don't know Mike I'm not in the Concklin camp he is a problem in pass pro he had the most help of any tackle this year. think this needs to be done through the draft to make this a sustainable rebuild. Look at the Rams they are a mess. My issue is if we do not sign a free agent then we absolutely have to take an OT in the first two rounds, maybe be forced to take one round 1. So what happens if Young falls to us? We pass on Young for an OT or take Young and go into the season without a RT. Sucks either way. I'm not saying we have to sign Conklin or Costanzo to a huge contract, but we need to bring in help for the OL before the draft. It's foolish not to.
Conklin is not nearly as bad in pass pro as the detractors here make it seem. His strength is certainly run blocking but he isn't horrible as a pass blocker. I'm not saying he should be the guy we sign, but we certainly should sign someone. Conklin is better than Remmers in every aspect and way better at run blocking.
Young you have to draft then you get into the second tear of Its but you can't pay a guy 14 to 16 mill a year hoping for a prayer.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 15:07:38 GMT -5
Young you have to draft then you get into the second tear of Its but you can't pay a guy 14 to 16 mill a year hoping for a prayer. Ok. So if we don't sign a free agent to help this OL and then we draft Young what do you do to help the OL? Wait until round two. But what if 6 OTs go in round 1, what do we do about C then as well? What if a top rated defender or WR falls to round two as well?
My point is the draft is very unpredictable and we are best off not having massive gaping holes in our OL walking into the draft. I'd be fine with re-signing Remmers and going from there but not having a C or RT heading into draft night is not an option.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 15:16:27 GMT -5
Mims also ran a 6.66 3 cone drill which is a very solid number.
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Post by robl on Feb 28, 2020 15:44:42 GMT -5
No love for CeeDee Lamb? I think he could be the best of all.
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 28, 2020 15:51:57 GMT -5
No love for CeeDee Lamb? I think he could be the best of all. It's an insane class..... When I look at Lamb he plays a lot like Larry Fitzgerald to me. Then I see Jeudy, and to me he's alot like DeAndre Hopkins. My list is (no Ruggs, Reagor, dont need another #2) 1a Lamb. 1b Jeudy. 3 Higgins. 4 Mims. 5a J Jefferson. 5b Shenault
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 28, 2020 15:55:42 GMT -5
Young you have to draft then you get into the second tear of Its but you can't pay a guy 14 to 16 mill a year hoping for a prayer. Ok. So if we don't sign a free agent to help this OL and then we draft Young what do you do to help the OL? Wait until round two. But what if 6 OTs go in round 1, what do we do about C then as well? What if a top rated defender or WR falls to round two as well?
My point is the draft is very unpredictable and we are best off not having massive gaping holes in our OL walking into the draft. I'd be fine with re-signing Remmers and going from there but not having a C or RT heading into draft night is not an option.
I'm in the sign the center McGovern is my choice cheaper then the tackle and experience is needed we have a young QB. Draft tackle whether it is the first or second round. I don't think were gonna have to worry about it tho river boat ron is taking chase. I just prefer to get the center in free agency not the tackle.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 28, 2020 15:57:17 GMT -5
No love for CeeDee Lamb? I think he could be the best of all. I personally like him the most,just has an "it" factor where his all around game will make him the next generational type WR Jeudy isnt that far off
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 28, 2020 18:38:17 GMT -5
Ok. So if we don't sign a free agent to help this OL and then we draft Young what do you do to help the OL? Wait until round two. But what if 6 OTs go in round 1, what do we do about C then as well? What if a top rated defender or WR falls to round two as well?
My point is the draft is very unpredictable and we are best off not having massive gaping holes in our OL walking into the draft. I'd be fine with re-signing Remmers and going from there but not having a C or RT heading into draft night is not an option.
I'm in the sign the center McGovern is my choice cheaper then the tackle and experience is needed we have a young QB. Draft tackle whether it is the first or second round. I don't think were gonna have to worry about it tho river boat ron is taking chase. I just prefer to get the center in free agency not the tackle. I just use Chase Young because he is the one guy everyone agrees we would take over the OTs. Who knows how these guys grade these players though. I am 100% on board drafting a tackle at 4, with a trade back or in the 2nd round. I just also hate to tie our team to the fact we must draft a tackle in the 1st or 2nd.
Also 100% on board with signing McGovern. There are some stud Cs in this class though so if we sign an OT and draft a C I am good with that too. You can never have too many pass protectors
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