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Post by TCHOF on Mar 2, 2020 7:35:36 GMT -5
Is it significant that Gettleman has never drafted an OL in the first round in seven prior drafts?
He has, though, taken a LB in the first .....
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 8:02:24 GMT -5
Is it significant that Gettleman has never drafted an OL in the first round in seven prior drafts? He has, though, taken a LB in the first ..... Truth be told Other than Nelson when has he had a chance to draft a blue chip O lineman like this And when he took Thompson,he kinda was BPA where his positional value was more in line to that part of the draft (of course taking RBs bafk to back in the top 10 kinda throws the positional value out the window) |
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2020 8:15:11 GMT -5
Is it significant that Gettleman has never drafted an OL in the first round in seven prior drafts? He has, though, taken a LB in the first ..... Truth be told Other than Nelson when has he had a chance to draft a blue chip O lineman like this And when he took Thompson,he kinda was BPA where his positional value was more in line to that part of the draft (of course taking RBs bafk to back in the top 10 kinda throws the positional value out the window) He also had 2 All pros on the line. Center Ryan Kalil and LT Jordan Gross. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 8:17:13 GMT -5
Truth be told Other than Nelson when has he had a chance to draft a blue chip O lineman like this And when he took Thompson,he kinda was BPA where his positional value was more in line to that part of the draft (of course taking RBs bafk to back in the top 10 kinda throws the positional value out the window) He also had 2 All pros on the line. Center Ryan Kalil and LT Jordan Gross. And was able to find talent in the mid rounds... If he thinks he can bypass this group thinking he can repeat history ....eff him because it will blow up in his face when Jones stagnates and never develops because of a line that is barely average.. |
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 2, 2020 9:10:44 GMT -5
Truth be told Other than Nelson when has he had a chance to draft a blue chip O lineman like this And when he took Thompson,he kinda was BPA where his positional value was more in line to that part of the draft (of course taking RBs bafk to back in the top 10 kinda throws the positional value out the window) He also had 2 All pros on the line. Center Ryan Kalil and LT Jordan Gross. Fair point |
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Post by giantsrock on Mar 2, 2020 11:01:54 GMT -5
Truth be told Other than Nelson when has he had a chance to draft a blue chip O lineman like this And when he took Thompson,he kinda was BPA where his positional value was more in line to that part of the draft (of course taking RBs bafk to back in the top 10 kinda throws the positional value out the window) He also had 2 All pros on the line. Center Ryan Kalil and LT Jordan Gross. That didn't stop the cowboys from drafting zach martin. |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 2, 2020 12:27:17 GMT -5
Truth be told Other than Nelson when has he had a chance to draft a blue chip O lineman like this And when he took Thompson,he kinda was BPA where his positional value was more in line to that part of the draft (of course taking RBs bafk to back in the top 10 kinda throws the positional value out the window) He also had 2 All pros on the line. Center Ryan Kalil and LT Jordan Gross. Well he doesn't have any here. How many picks in the last two years here have been O line?
Essentially....Exactly 1.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 2, 2020 12:45:09 GMT -5
We know he loves RBs...
Barkley and McCaffrey 1st round.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 13:05:36 GMT -5
He also had 2 All pros on the line. Center Ryan Kalil and LT Jordan Gross. Well he doesn't have any here. How many picks in the last two years here have been O line?
Essentially....Exactly 1.
That's my issue with Getty. He claimed the oline as a priority and then stocked up on draft picks by trading vets only to ignore drafting any olineman.. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 14:51:11 GMT -5
Well he doesn't have any here. How many picks in the last two years here have been O line?
Essentially....Exactly 1.
That's my issue with Getty. He claimed the oline as a priority and then stocked up on draft picks by trading vets only to ignore drafting any olineman.. Yeah...... Zero excuse this year,especially with how the dire need for OTs match perfectly with 4 great OT prospects of his choice No excuses.... They drafted a franchise qb last year and supposedly want to feature their 2018 2and round pick unicorn back in the offense this year No excuses No toys(this includes Jeudy,Simmons,Okudah) I have been patient and am known as a patient fan,I will turn on him on a dime if we pass on one of these linemen and the line is the usual mediocre at best craptacular fail fest it's been since basically 2010. |
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2020 15:00:43 GMT -5
He also had 2 All pros on the line. Center Ryan Kalil and LT Jordan Gross. That didn't stop the cowboys from drafting zach martin. That is relevant because? |
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2020 15:05:57 GMT -5
He also had 2 All pros on the line. Center Ryan Kalil and LT Jordan Gross. Well he doesn't have any here. How many picks in the last two years here have been O line?
Essentially....Exactly 1.
Who would you have not picked last year? Who as an O-linemen would you have picked? Because we took Hernandez in his first year drafting. You say all these talking points. Yet never having the resolve for the problems you suggest exist. For years you kept saying we don't have a mobile QB. That is the problem. Not the O-line . Now all of a sudden the O-line a problem? Your conclusions of convenience are Laughable. |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 2, 2020 15:59:48 GMT -5
Well he doesn't have any here. How many picks in the last two years here have been O line?
Essentially....Exactly 1.
Who would you have not picked last year? Who as an O-linemen would you have picked? Because we took Hernandez in his first year drafting. You say all these talking points. Yet never having the resolve for the problems you suggest exist. For years you kept saying we don't have a mobile QB. That is the problem. Not the O-line . Now all of a sudden the O-line a problem? Your conclusions of convenience are Laughable. Our O line is mediocre at best. This is news to you?
You are claiming that I ever said we had a good O line? Really?
Yes...it's nice to have a more mobile QB to mitigate many of our O line problems. most teams have O line problems. But Dave came out talking about "hog mollies" and in two years he's drafted exactly one. You don't see this as inconsistent? If not, that's on you.
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2020 16:13:42 GMT -5
Who would you have not picked last year? Who as an O-linemen would you have picked? Because we took Hernandez in his first year drafting. You say all these talking points. Yet never having the resolve for the problems you suggest exist. For years you kept saying we don't have a mobile QB. That is the problem. Not the O-line . Now all of a sudden the O-line a problem? Your conclusions of convenience are Laughable. Our O line is mediocre at best. This is news to you?
You are claiming that I ever said we had a good O line? Really?
Yes...it's nice to have a more mobile QB to mitigate many of our O line problems. most teams have O line problems. But Dave came out talking about "hog mollies" and in two years he's drafted exactly one. You don't see this as inconsistent? If not, that's on you.
Don't give me that BS. You kept saying No one has a good O-line in the league Blah blah Blah . If we had an Mobile QB or line would be fine. Its laughable how you change your tune when it suits you. . I will ask again since you convey he should have drafted an O-linemen. Who would you have not picked last year? Who as an O-linemen would you have drafted ? |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 2, 2020 16:40:26 GMT -5
Our O line is mediocre at best. This is news to you?
You are claiming that I ever said we had a good O line? Really?
Yes...it's nice to have a more mobile QB to mitigate many of our O line problems. most teams have O line problems. But Dave came out talking about "hog mollies" and in two years he's drafted exactly one. You don't see this as inconsistent? If not, that's on you.
Don't give me that BS. You kept saying No one has a good O-line in the league Blah blah Blah . If we had an Mobile QB or line would be fine. Its laughable how you change your tune when it suits you. . I will ask again since you convey he should have drafted an O-linemen. Who would you have not picked last year? Who as an O-linemen would you have drafted ? I have no idea how you can come to the conclusions you seem to be coming to.
I said that all but about 5 teams are looking for O line help. I said it's very difficult to block these great athletes on defense. I said most teams have problems with the O line.
Regardless of all of that, Dave has talked about the importance of hog mollies. Do you deny that? Do you also deny that both his drafts have included one second round O lineman and a seventh round lineman last year who will probably never seen the field. Does that sound like the drafting of a guy who believes in the importance of "hog mollies"?
But keep changing the subject my friend. My input doesn't seem to have a lot of sway with the front office. Nor is it especially relevant. But wouldn't you agree that Dave's does? So wouldn't agree that it's fair to compare his rhetoric with his actions? I guess you don't. But that's what it's about for me.....Dave's rhetoric vs. Dave's actions. None of that has anything to do with me.
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2020 16:52:06 GMT -5
Don't give me that BS. You kept saying No one has a good O-line in the league Blah blah Blah . If we had an Mobile QB or line would be fine. Its laughable how you change your tune when it suits you. . I will ask again since you convey he should have drafted an O-linemen. Who would you have not picked last year? Who as an O-linemen would you have drafted ? I have no idea how you can come to the conclusions you seem to be coming to.
I said that all but about 5 teams are looking for O line help. I said it's very difficult to block these great athletes on defense. I said most teams have problems with the O line.
Regardless of all of that, Dave has talked about the importance of hog mollies. Do you deny that? Do you also deny that both his drafts have included one second round O lineman and a seventh round lineman last year who will probably never seen the field. Does that sound like the drafting of a guy who believes in the importance of "hog mollies"?
But keep changing the subject my friend. My input doesn't seem to have a lot of sway with the front office. Nor is it especially relevant. But wouldn't you agree that Dave's does? So wouldn't agree that it's fair to compare his rhetoric with his actions? I guess you don't. But that's what it's about for me.....Dave's rhetoric vs. Dave's actions. None of that has anything to do with me.
You have been saying for years our O-line is not the problem. It is the lack of a mobile QB. You despise the GM and we have a mobile QB. Now the O-line is a problem? And you say Haronni has a credibility problem. Your pomposity is cartoonish. As soon as you posted this factless Gem and presented it as the truth . You unwitting exposed exactly what your bias is . To me from that moment forward anything you say about the GM is completely unadulterated nonsense. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/5853/forget-dave |
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Post by lt56 on Mar 2, 2020 17:14:33 GMT -5
Yeah he usually doesn't go for Lineman until the 3rd Round: Daryl Williams, Trai Turner, Taylor Moton, Edmund Kugbila all in the 3rd-4th Round Picks
Yeah he did Draft Shaq Thompson in the 1st Round, I think Luke was Drafted a Year before he became GM not sure about that
HOWEVER, don't Rule out Derrick Brown because the man does have a history of taking Defensive Tackles in the 1st Round so that is likely no Smoke Screen as far as a rumors about Derrick Brown. With the Panthers He Drafted Star Lotulelei and Kawann Short in the same damn Draft in the 1st and 2nd Round then turned around and drafted Vernon Butler in the 1st Round like 2-3 years later
So Chase Young is probably #1 on the Board then after that they probably have Derrick Brown ,Isaiah Simmons,Tristan Wirfs I can image that is probably what the Big Board looks like
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 2, 2020 17:35:29 GMT -5
I have no idea how you can come to the conclusions you seem to be coming to.
I said that all but about 5 teams are looking for O line help. I said it's very difficult to block these great athletes on defense. I said most teams have problems with the O line.
Regardless of all of that, Dave has talked about the importance of hog mollies. Do you deny that? Do you also deny that both his drafts have included one second round O lineman and a seventh round lineman last year who will probably never seen the field. Does that sound like the drafting of a guy who believes in the importance of "hog mollies"?
But keep changing the subject my friend. My input doesn't seem to have a lot of sway with the front office. Nor is it especially relevant. But wouldn't you agree that Dave's does? So wouldn't agree that it's fair to compare his rhetoric with his actions? I guess you don't. But that's what it's about for me.....Dave's rhetoric vs. Dave's actions. None of that has anything to do with me.
You have been saying for years our O-line is not the problem. It is the lack of a mobile QB. You despise the GM and we have a mobile QB. Now the O-line is a problem? And you say Haronni has a credibility problem. Your pomposity is cartoonish. As soon as you posted this factless Gem and presented it as the truth . You unwitting exposed exactly what your bias is . To me from that moment forward anything you say about the GM is completely unadulterated nonsense. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/5853/forget-daveFirst of all, It would be lunacy to suggest that our O line isn';t a problem and hasn't been for years. We have a mediocre, overpaid LT, an ordinary LG, journeymen at center, a decent RG and no real RT. How is that a good O line by any definition? I have said, and will continue to say that we are not alone. That most NFL teams struggle to block today's defenders. (except ours of course, our defenders suck).
But all of that is irrelevant. It is because it's not about me, even though for some reason you want to make it about me. It's about what Dave has said vs. what Dave has done. It doesn't matter if you, me or anyone else agreed with him. It's about his bluster about "hog mollies", vs. his drafting record here for two years.
So now your deflections aside, Dave is full of it because HE says that O line is very important, and HE has done little to address it, especially in the draft. You continue to sidestep that of course, but it's empirically true.
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2020 18:10:49 GMT -5
You have been saying for years our O-line is not the problem. It is the lack of a mobile QB. You despise the GM and we have a mobile QB. Now the O-line is a problem? And you say Haronni has a credibility problem. Your pomposity is cartoonish. As soon as you posted this factless Gem and presented it as the truth . You unwitting exposed exactly what your bias is . To me from that moment forward anything you say about the GM is completely unadulterated nonsense. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/5853/forget-daveFirst of all, It would be lunacy to suggest that our O line isn';t a problem and hasn't been for years. We have a mediocre, overpaid LT, an ordinary LG, journeymen at center, a decent RG and no real RT. How is that a good O line by any definition? I have said, and will continue to say that we are not alone. That most NFL teams struggle to block today's defenders. (except ours of course, our defenders suck).
But all of that is irrelevant. It is because it's not about me, even though for some reason you want to make it about me. It's about what Dave has said vs. what Dave has done. It doesn't matter if you, me or anyone else agreed with him. It's about his bluster about "hog mollies", vs. his drafting record here for two years.
So now your deflections aside, Dave is full of it because HE says that O line is very important, and HE has done little to address it, especially in the draft. You continue to sidestep that of course, but it's empirically true.
That is exactly what you have doing. It's not the O-line. its Eli. O-lines are unfixable is what you were saying It is funny how you run away from your words when it they do not fit your new narrative. one of many I Could pull Pugh was serviceable. That's all I'm saying. But the ultimate point that I am making now and that I made last year and the year before...is that Oline is almost impossible to "fix". Everyone said "well just fix the Oline and we'll be a juggernaut of an offense". Well you better be able to make plays when the Oline breaks down....because they often do. No matter what team we are talking about.Our O line isn't good at all, but that is a common problem in this league. They need to deal with it. Getting rid of every starter was a foolish move. We had players worth keeping. Jones and Fluker were two of them but Gettleman was hell bent of chucking the whole thing. Gettleman overreacted. He wanted to put HIS stamp on it I guess. Friggin Hog Mollies suck. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/1666/marc-ross-time-bench-manning?page=9I can pull 10 more with you saying this exact theme. After all these years now 2020. We can fix the O-line if Dave drafts them? So why all of a sudden "deal with it" is no longer your position? By your own words . It does not matter if Dave drafted O-line or not Because it is unfixable!!!! Right? SO why is Dave not drafting O-line in the last draft now a problem? If The O-line is almost impossible to fix. According to your own words . It would have been a wasted pick. Right? Like I said your pomposity is cartoonish |
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 2, 2020 18:23:19 GMT -5
That's my issue with Getty. He claimed the oline as a priority and then stocked up on draft picks by trading vets only to ignore drafting any olineman.. Yeah...... Zero excuse this year,especially with how the dire need for OTs match perfectly with 4 great OT prospects of his choice No excuses.... They drafted a franchise qb last year and supposedly want to feature their 2018 2and round pick unicorn back in the offense this year No excuses No toys(this includes Jeudy,Simmons,Okudah) I have been patient and am known as a patient fan,I will turn on him on a dime if we pass on one of these linemen and the line is the usual mediocre at best craptacular fail fest it's been since basically 2010. there are 2nd and third round options such as Lucas niang and Ben bartch who provide great value with not much drop off from the top 4. A guy like Scott frantz can be had 5th or 6th round on with a skill set the projects favorably to the nfl as a starting tackle. It’s not so black and white. The defense is the real issue with this team, and if you can get a premium game changing player, who ever that is, you don’t overlook that. That defense is atrocious and needs to be addressed. Okudah and Simmons are two of the highest rated, best playmakers in this draft. To call them toys is just plain silly. |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 2, 2020 18:39:02 GMT -5
First of all, It would be lunacy to suggest that our O line isn';t a problem and hasn't been for years. We have a mediocre, overpaid LT, an ordinary LG, journeymen at center, a decent RG and no real RT. How is that a good O line by any definition? I have said, and will continue to say that we are not alone. That most NFL teams struggle to block today's defenders. (except ours of course, our defenders suck).
But all of that is irrelevant. It is because it's not about me, even though for some reason you want to make it about me. It's about what Dave has said vs. what Dave has done. It doesn't matter if you, me or anyone else agreed with him. It's about his bluster about "hog mollies", vs. his drafting record here for two years.
So now your deflections aside, Dave is full of it because HE says that O line is very important, and HE has done little to address it, especially in the draft. You continue to sidestep that of course, but it's empirically true.
That is exactly what you have doing. It's not the O-line. its Eli. O-lines are unfixable is what you were saying It is funny how you run away from your words when it they do not fit your new narrative. He is one of many I Could pull Pugh was serviceable. That's all I'm saying. But the ultimate point that I am making now and that I made last year and the year before...is that Oline is almost impossible to "fix". Everyone said "well just fix the Oline and we'll be a juggernaut of an offense". Well you better be able to make plays when the Oline breaks down....because they often do. No matter what team we are talking about.Our O line isn't good at all, but that is a common problem in this league. They need to deal with it. Getting rid of every starter was a foolish move. We had players worth keeping. Jones and Fluker were two of them but Gettleman was hell bent of chucking the whole thing. Gettleman overreacted. He wanted to put HIS stamp on it I guess. Friggin Hog Mollies suck. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/1666/marc-ross-time-bench-manning?page=9I can pull 10 more with you saying this exact theme. After all these years now 2020. We can fix the O-line if Dave drafts them? So why all of a sudden "deal with it" is no longer your position? By your own words . It does not matter if Dave drafted O-line or not Because it is unfixable!!!! Right? SO why is Dave not drafting O-line in the last draft now a problem? If The O-line is almost impossible to fix. According to your own words . It would have been a wasted pick. Right? Like I said your pomposity is cartoonish Not sure who wrote that stuff but whoever it is....is one smart dude. Especially when he wrote...."our line isn't good at all"
So I get your point.....don't draft or sign O linemen. Good plan TEM. I'm sure it'll work.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 18:40:10 GMT -5
Yeah...... Zero excuse this year,especially with how the dire need for OTs match perfectly with 4 great OT prospects of his choice No excuses.... They drafted a franchise qb last year and supposedly want to feature their 2018 2and round pick unicorn back in the offense this year No excuses No toys(this includes Jeudy,Simmons,Okudah) I have been patient and am known as a patient fan,I will turn on him on a dime if we pass on one of these linemen and the line is the usual mediocre at best craptacular fail fest it's been since basically 2010. A guy like Scott frantz can be had 5th or 6th round on with a skill set the projects favorably to the nfl as a starting tackle. It’s not so black and white. The defense is the real issue with this team, and if you can get a premium game changing player, who ever that is, you don’t overlook that. That defense is atrocious and needs to be addressed. Okudah and Simmons are two of the highest rated, best playmakers in this draft. To call them toys is just plain silly. I stopped reading after the bolded part because that is so far beyond the pale wrong I don't need to read anything further |
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2020 18:44:41 GMT -5
That is exactly what you have doing. It's not the O-line. its Eli. O-lines are unfixable is what you were saying It is funny how you run away from your words when it they do not fit your new narrative. He is one of many I Could pull Pugh was serviceable. That's all I'm saying. But the ultimate point that I am making now and that I made last year and the year before...is that Oline is almost impossible to "fix". Everyone said "well just fix the Oline and we'll be a juggernaut of an offense". Well you better be able to make plays when the Oline breaks down....because they often do. No matter what team we are talking about.Our O line isn't good at all, but that is a common problem in this league. They need to deal with it. Getting rid of every starter was a foolish move. We had players worth keeping. Jones and Fluker were two of them but Gettleman was hell bent of chucking the whole thing. Gettleman overreacted. He wanted to put HIS stamp on it I guess. Friggin Hog Mollies suck. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/1666/marc-ross-time-bench-manning?page=9I can pull 10 more with you saying this exact theme. After all these years now 2020. We can fix the O-line if Dave drafts them? So why all of a sudden "deal with it" is no longer your position? By your own words . It does not matter if Dave drafted O-line or not Because it is unfixable!!!! Right? SO why is Dave not drafting O-line in the last draft now a problem? If The O-line is almost impossible to fix. According to your own words . It would have been a wasted pick. Right? Like I said your pomposity is cartoonish Not sure who wrote that stuff but whoever it is....is one smart dude. Especially when he wrote...."our line isn't good at all"
So I get your point.....don't draft or sign O linemen. Good plan TEM. I'm sure it'll work.
I have been saying all along. We need to fix the Line. I have been an proponent of keep drafting players them until we get 5 that fixes it. . I am just curious after all this time. Now you want to fix what you claim can't be fixed. So what gives? That is the question our viewers want to know. |
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 2, 2020 18:54:21 GMT -5
Yeah...... Zero excuse this year,especially with how the dire need for OTs match perfectly with 4 great OT prospects of his choice No excuses.... They drafted a franchise qb last year and supposedly want to feature their 2018 2and round pick unicorn back in the offense this year No excuses No toys(this includes Jeudy,Simmons,Okudah) I have been patient and am known as a patient fan,I will turn on him on a dime if we pass on one of these linemen and the line is the usual mediocre at best craptacular fail fest it's been since basically 2010. there are 2nd and third round options such as Lucas niang and Ben bartch who provide great value with not much drop off from the top 4. A guy like Scott frantz can be had 5th or 6th round on with a skill set the projects favorably to the nfl as a starting tackle. It’s not so black and white. The defense is the real issue with this team, and if you can get a premium game changing player, who ever that is, you don’t overlook that. That defense is atrocious and needs to be addressed. Okudah and Simmons are two of the highest rated, best playmakers in this draft. To call them toys is just plain silly. LOL, not much drop off from the top 4 to Lucas Niang and Ben Bartch, LMFAO. Bartch is a HUGE developmental prospect, who is super raw and years from seeing the field as a starter. Niang played excellently in college at RT but he has a scary injury history, like Trey Adams. And Frantz is a depth player at best. I get it you want us to look at Simmons or Okudah in the 1st, but to say that there isnt a significant drop off between the top 4 OTs and Niang/Bartch. IMO we are better off taking our chances with signing Yannick Ngakoue, Cory Little, or Byron Jones and going after 1 of the top OTs instead of signing somone like Conklin and drafting Simmons or Okudah..... 2 players who I wouldnt mind drafting at all, I would just prefer to target an OT 1st |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 19:02:56 GMT -5
Not sure who wrote that stuff but whoever it is....is one smart dude. Especially when he wrote...."our line isn't good at all"
So I get your point.....don't draft or sign O linemen. Good plan TEM. I'm sure it'll work.
I have been saying all along. We need to fix the Line. I have been an proponent of keep drafting players them until we get 5 that fixes it. . I am just curious after all this time. Now you want to fix what you claim can't be fixed. So what gives? That is the question our viewers want to know. Read above your post at that lol |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 19:16:58 GMT -5
there are 2nd and third round options such as Lucas niang and Ben bartch who provide great value with not much drop off from the top 4. A guy like Scott frantz can be had 5th or 6th round on with a skill set the projects favorably to the nfl as a starting tackle. It’s not so black and white. The defense is the real issue with this team, and if you can get a premium game changing player, who ever that is, you don’t overlook that. That defense is atrocious and needs to be addressed. Okudah and Simmons are two of the highest rated, best playmakers in this draft. To call them toys is just plain silly. LOL, not much drop off from the top 4 to Lucas Niang and Ben Bartch, LMFAO. Bartch is a HUGE developmental prospect, who is super raw and years from seeing the field as a starter. Niang played excellently in college at RT but he has a scary injury history, like Trey Adams. And Frantz is a depth player at best. I get it you want us to look at Simmons or Okudah in the 1st, but to say that there isnt a significant drop off between the top 4 OTs and Niang/Bartch. IMO we are better off taking our chances with signing Yannick Ngakoue, Cory Little, or Byron Jones and going after 1 of the top OTs instead of signing somone like Conklin and drafting Simmons or Okudah..... 2 players who I wouldnt mind drafting at all, I would just prefer to target an OT 1st Defense in FA. Strength of FA can fit some needs.. Oine,WR early in the draft,preferably with a trade down to get 2 more day 2 picks To do it back asswards and hope and pray a later round guy can be good starters on the O line is irresponsible |
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Post by mj312 on Mar 2, 2020 20:34:37 GMT -5
He also had 2 All pros on the line. Center Ryan Kalil and LT Jordan Gross. And was able to find talent in the mid rounds... If he thinks he can bypass this group thinking he can repeat history ....eff him because it will blow up in his face when Jones stagnates and never develops because of a line that is barely average.. even with sucky solder this line is 50% better than Eli has had his last 8 years with the giants .. 3 years ago the giants couldn’t even Throw a slant without constant pressure .. Eli is gone because the fan base cried that he was a statue and immobile and in order to be successful he needed the perfect line .. that’s why gettleman drafted jones at 6 , because he was mobile and was able to avoid the rush and because he wouldn’t need the same protection Eli would .. Don’t get me wrong , the line had breakdowns last year but plenty of jones fumbles were on plays where he just held the ball too long and that’s on him . I’m not saying don’t get the guy lineman but damn if we need to waste a 4 pick to get jones the best of the best lineman then he was a waste of a 6 pick .. the defense is what stops us from winning games. If young or Simmons are there at 4 and gettleman takes a lineman he’s a moron . |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 3, 2020 10:02:18 GMT -5
Not sure who wrote that stuff but whoever it is....is one smart dude. Especially when he wrote...."our line isn't good at all"
So I get your point.....don't draft or sign O linemen. Good plan TEM. I'm sure it'll work.
I have been saying all along. We need to fix the Line. I have been an proponent of keep drafting players them until we get 5 that fixes it. . I am just curious after all this time. Now you want to fix what you claim can't be fixed. So what gives? That is the question our viewers want to know. My point was, and continues to be that "fixing" the O line is very difficult. The fact that it still sucks supports my view. Posters were suggesting we just "fix" the Oline like it's a broken down car. Just do this and this and it's fixed. My point is that it's not that simple. But as you continue to deflect and make this about me, I'll ask you again....Doesn't it trouble you that Dave constantly refers to "hog mollies" but never addresses it in the draft?
I'm sure you, yet again, won't answer it....and you'll continue to go after me.
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Post by TEM on Mar 3, 2020 10:09:01 GMT -5
I have been saying all along. We need to fix the Line. I have been an proponent of keep drafting players them until we get 5 that fixes it. . I am just curious after all this time. Now you want to fix what you claim can't be fixed. So what gives? That is the question our viewers want to know. My point was, and continues to be that "fixing" the O line is very difficult. The fact that it still sucks supports my view. Posters were suggesting we just "fix" the Oline like it's a broken down car. Just do this and this and it's fixed. My point is that it's not that simple. But as you continue to deflect and make this about me, I'll ask you again....Doesn't it trouble you that Dave constantly refers to "hog mollies" but never addresses it in the draft?
I'm sure you, yet again, won't answer it....and you'll continue to go after me.
As soon as you answer my 2 questions ( this is the 4th time). I will answer yours. Who would you not have picked in last years draft? Who as an offensive linemen in last years draft would you have picked. |
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 3, 2020 10:11:18 GMT -5
My point was, and continues to be that "fixing" the O line is very difficult. The fact that it still sucks supports my view. Posters were suggesting we just "fix" the Oline like it's a broken down car. Just do this and this and it's fixed. My point is that it's not that simple. But as you continue to deflect and make this about me, I'll ask you again....Doesn't it trouble you that Dave constantly refers to "hog mollies" but never addresses it in the draft?
I'm sure you, yet again, won't answer it....and you'll continue to go after me.
As soon as you answer my 2 questions ( this is the 4th time). I will answer yours. Who would you not have picked in last years draft? Who as an offensive linemen in last years draft would you have picked. 1. I would definitely not have picked Lawrence in the draft. Tomlinson is as good, if not better player. 2. Not being an NFL scout, I have no idea.
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