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Post by Martin on Mar 7, 2020 17:09:54 GMT -5
The point I like is getting Van Noy and keeping Golden for what would be the cost of Clowney.
I would be okay with Van Noy and Golden playing on the same unit.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 7, 2020 17:42:38 GMT -5
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 7, 2020 17:50:17 GMT -5
But Why Is he. Sharing The pic With Dak Prescott? I'll be really surprised if we sign Dak as well.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 17:57:53 GMT -5
 :format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19769529/ENDfrOZW4AARu7Q.png) Van Noy is circled. Ability to beat your block in 2.5 seconds or less...pass rush win rate. PRWR Bottom is the player facing double teams DTR Van Noy, faced double teams only 13% of the time, and still was ONLY a 12% win. We can see Golden in this excellent stat as well. Only 13% facing double teams, and with a bit better PRWR...17%. Clowney? Well, as we can see....Clowney gets a LOT more attention...27% double teamed, and yet...STILL beats blockers in 2.5 seconds or less at a 24% clip. Kyle is a properly used system edge defender on a Billy Boy NE chess team who still can not handle blocks...a brutal signing for the NY Giants. IMHO of course.  |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 19:18:28 GMT -5
ButWhy Is he. Sharing The pic With Dak Prescott? Why are you responding to a video that you didn't bother to watch? Your question is answered in the first 20 seconds of the video. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 19:22:44 GMT -5
Well, as we can see....Clowney gets a LOT more attention...27% double teamed, and yet...STILL beats blockers in 2.5 seconds or less at a 24% clip. Oooh can I play devil's advocate here?
1) This chart says Clowney > Von Miller, one of the Bosa's and on par with Barrett....does anyone think that?
2) If Clowney beats the blockers so often why is it that he doesn't tackle the runner (31 tackles) or get to the QB (3 sacks, 13 hits)? Beating the blocker is great and all but I would rather players that finish plays.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 19:23:59 GMT -5
Oh as for Van Noy. I'm not really that interested. If they sign him it will be Judge knowing exactly how to use him which will be fine. I just think there are plenty of other LBs out there that are better than him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 19:50:19 GMT -5
Well, as we can see....Clowney gets a LOT more attention...27% double teamed, and yet...STILL beats blockers in 2.5 seconds or less at a 24% clip. Oooh can I play devil's advocate here?
1) This chart says Clowney > Von Miller, one of the Bosa's and on par with Barrett....does anyone think that?
2) If Clowney beats the blockers so often why is it that he doesn't tackle the runner (31 tackles) or get to the QB (3 sacks, 13 hits)? Beating the blocker is great and all but I would rather players that finish plays.
Just devils advocate of course Why does he get so many double teams....do they...watch the tape...or read message board posts by Mike?  Damn these fools...they should know better than to double block a 3 sack, 31 tackle guy.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 19:51:43 GMT -5
Oh as for Van Noy. I'm not really that interested. If they sign him it will be Judge knowing exactly how to use him which will be fine. I just think there are plenty of other LBs out there that are better than him. i'm getting chocolateland vibes again Mike....  |
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Post by bringsimmsback on Mar 7, 2020 20:14:09 GMT -5
Van Noy is circled. Ability to beat your block in 2.5 seconds or less...pass rush win rate. PRWR Bottom is the player facing double teams DTR Van Noy, faced double teams only 13% of the time, and still was ONLY a 12% win. We can see Golden in this excellent stat as well. Only 13% facing double teams, and with a bit better PRWR...17%. Clowney? Well, as we can see....Clowney gets a LOT more attention...27% double teamed, and yet...STILL beats blockers in 2.5 seconds or less at a 24% clip. Kyle is a properly used system edge defender on a Billy Boy NE chess team who still can not handle blocks...a brutal signing for the NY Giants. IMHO of course. So, which is better? 2 players that "win" for a combined 29 times per 100 snaps while being double teamed a combined 25 times per 100 or 1 player winning 23 times while drawing dbl teams 26 times? I see advantages to both. Gotta think on this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 20:26:17 GMT -5
 BTW, this is the DT's...wow with Donald. Sure tackles are easier to double team, but winning 25% on a 70% double team? That's insane Leonard Williams at 7%...totally meh, and getting 64% tag teamed. So happy we traded picks to rent a eventual free agent of average.  |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 20:38:59 GMT -5
Why does he get so many double teams....do they...watch the tape...or read message board posts by Mike? Damn these fools...they should know better than to double block a 3 sack, 31 tackle guy. I doubt they are reading my posts, I have not said Clowney is a bad player. Once again you are sniffing around the wrong tree. My guess is they double team him because he is the only player on the Seahawks that has ever gotten more than 4.5 sacks in a year other than Ansah who barely played the last two years and is a shell of his former self. Clearly Clowney is a threat out there. The potential is there, I've always said it; it's his actual production that hasn't shown up yet. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 20:44:31 GMT -5
Leonard Williams at 7%...totally meh, and getting 64% tag teamed. "Why do you suppose so many double teams" in response to Clowney getting double teamed 27%. Why would teams double team Williams so much, way more than Clowney actually lol. I know, because he was a DT but the funny thing is when you watch the film he was double teamed a ton even when lined up as the DE.
Would be nice to have another pass rusher though, can't double team all of our guys. Two are on this list over 60%  |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Mar 7, 2020 20:46:19 GMT -5
Oh as for Van Noy. I'm not really that interested. If they sign him it will be Judge knowing exactly how to use him which will be fine. I just think there are plenty of other LBs out there that are better than him. I agree if judge wants him here he still has something left in his tank. id be ok with that. we need lbs here |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 20:50:45 GMT -5
Oh as for Van Noy. I'm not really that interested. If they sign him it will be Judge knowing exactly how to use him which will be fine. I just think there are plenty of other LBs out there that are better than him. i'm getting chocolateland vibes again Mike.... Silly me thinking the coaches know more than me. That ingrate was born the same year as me, he doesn't know more about football than me |
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Post by bringsimmsback on Mar 7, 2020 20:51:02 GMT -5
BTW, this is the DT's...wow with Donald. Sure tackles are easier to double team, but winning 25% on a 70% double team? That's insane Leonard Williams at 7%...totally meh, and getting 64% tag teamed. So happy we traded picks to rent a eventual free agent of average. Sigh. I was so sad draft day when we didn't take Donald when we had a chance. |
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Post by Martin on Mar 7, 2020 21:55:56 GMT -5
Oh as for Van Noy. I'm not really that interested. If they sign him it will be Judge knowing exactly how to use him which will be fine. I just think there are plenty of other LBs out there that are better than him. Plenty other LB's? Did you mean in FA or in the draft? By the way the reason I posted the vid was to kinda show that Clowney's price tag could equal 2 quality players on D. Yes whoever Judge thinks is right for the team and scheme is the way forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 22:13:49 GMT -5
i'm getting chocolateland vibes again Mike.... Silly me thinking the coaches know more than me. That ingrate was born the same year as me, he doesn't know more about football than me They all know more than you Mike...remember...whatever the Giants do, it will be successful because.... they all know better than you.  Smiled with the knowing' one, Three little newspapers Perch by my doorstep Singin' sweet words Of promises pure and true, Sayin', ("This is my message to you-ou-ou:") "Don't worry about a thing, 'Cause every Giants move gonna be all right. Singin': "Don't worry about a thing, 'Cause every Giants move gonna be all right! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 22:38:20 GMT -5
Leonard Williams at 7%...totally meh, and getting 64% tag teamed. "Why do you suppose so many double teams" in response to Clowney getting double teamed 27%. Why would teams double team Williams so much, way more than Clowney actually lol. I know, because he was a DT but the funny thing is when you watch the film he was double teamed a ton even when lined up as the DE.
Would be nice to have another pass rusher though, can't double team all of our guys. Two are on this list over 60% I would love to see the Giants sign a Clowney now...let's see if my hypothesis is correct...two almost's will equal most of the time. Can Williams set off the Clown peak, well again for TEM...and can the Clown set of the potential and almost, of the so far average 3 tech Williams? Can Lawrence take the next step forward and become a one tech destruction? Will we sign Littleton to be the quick pass nullifier to allow more pressures from our two almost players, that are now suddenly most of the timers. Will this then allow for corner growth, as coverage not needing to be 8 seconds of super glue... I guess, our new latest greatest coach shall know...certainly not putting my trust in Gettleman, whom I never want to depend upon planning a wedding, funeral, military mission... or a drive to the local 7-11 for some milk with one street closed due to construction....sour milk and a illegal U-Turn ticket will be the end result. I finally got a chance to see the corners on my recording of the combine...I'm leaning towards now NOT signing one in free agency, and drafting another one...there is some nice depth this year, and with the new found pass rush, most of the time, we can allow some growth. If jackrabbit could not help as a vet corner, why do another? Let the B boys grow, and find another talent later in the draft....IMHO of course. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 22:55:22 GMT -5
Ahh Aris is back to making things up again. Listen let me know when you actually want to discuss football again. I never once said who ever he picks will lead to success. That doesn't even make sense since every team is doing that exact thing.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 7, 2020 23:59:12 GMT -5
Hes a good player, but I would seriously look elsewhere.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 8, 2020 0:18:36 GMT -5
BTW, this is the DT's...wow with Donald. Sure tackles are easier to double team, but winning 25% on a 70% double team? That's insane Leonard Williams at 7%...totally meh, and getting 64% tag teamed. So happy we traded picks to rent a eventual free agent of average. Sigh. I was so sad draft day when we didn't take Donald when we had a chance. It was a different time, man; back then the franchise wasn't trying to win games, they just wanted to juice Manning's garbage time stats. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 6:34:52 GMT -5
Ahh Aris is back to making things up again. Listen let me know when you actually want to discuss football again. I never once said who ever he picks will lead to success. That doesn't even make sense since every team is doing that exact thing.
Yes, I don't believe you actually hop around after chocolate rabbits when thinking about Van Noy...might even believe it's a bad possible signing, but we'll never know...cause you believe everything the Giants eventually do, is a ... good thing. Trust me, despite the fact they know more about football than us, and they get paid to make football moves, some of these guys are horrible. It can be said. Dave Gettleman is a buffoon. It feels good. I can cite examples, and then you can say "he knows more about football then you" Ready?.....the rabbits are tempting you again..... |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 8, 2020 8:15:33 GMT -5
No I don't. When you are ready to start talking football let me know. |
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Post by TEM on Mar 8, 2020 9:16:48 GMT -5
Van Noy is circled. Was this one of those find Waldo games? |
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 8, 2020 10:09:17 GMT -5
BTW, this is the DT's...wow with Donald. Sure tackles are easier to double team, but winning 25% on a 70% double team? That's insane Leonard Williams at 7%...totally meh, and getting 64% tag teamed. So happy we traded picks to rent a eventual free agent of average. Sigh. I was so sad draft day when we didn't take Donald when we had a chance. Ed Oliver was a great pick by the Bills. One of my favorite players to watch when he was at UoH. |
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Post by hadenough on Mar 8, 2020 10:16:31 GMT -5
Van Noy is a very solid football player. I'd love him
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Post by hadenough on Mar 8, 2020 10:19:04 GMT -5
Van Noy is circled. Ability to beat your block in 2.5 seconds or less...pass rush win rate. PRWR Bottom is the player facing double teams DTR Van Noy, faced double teams only 13% of the time, and still was ONLY a 12% win. We can see Golden in this excellent stat as well. Only 13% facing double teams, and with a bit better PRWR...17%. Clowney? Well, as we can see....Clowney gets a LOT more attention...27% double teamed, and yet...STILL beats blockers in 2.5 seconds or less at a 24% clip. Kyle is a properly used system edge defender on a Billy Boy NE chess team who still can not handle blocks...a brutal signing for the NY Giants. IMHO of course. The problem with that chart is Van Noy is a different player than almost everyone of those other players. Van Noy is a LBer who will rush the passer. Those other guys are Ends who may play snaps as LBers on occasions. Different skill sets. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 10:32:30 GMT -5
Van Noy is circled. Ability to beat your block in 2.5 seconds or less...pass rush win rate. PRWR Bottom is the player facing double teams DTR Van Noy, faced double teams only 13% of the time, and still was ONLY a 12% win. We can see Golden in this excellent stat as well. Only 13% facing double teams, and with a bit better PRWR...17%. Clowney? Well, as we can see....Clowney gets a LOT more attention...27% double teamed, and yet...STILL beats blockers in 2.5 seconds or less at a 24% clip. Kyle is a properly used system edge defender on a Billy Boy NE chess team who still can not handle blocks...a brutal signing for the NY Giants. IMHO of course. The problem with that chart is Van Noy is a different player than almost everyone of those other players. Van Noy is a LBer who will rush the passer. Those other guys are Ends who may play snaps as LBers on occasions. Different skill sets. Yes, but he is a OLB/Edge...and yes, he does set a nice edge in the Patriots scheme...I'm sure the next LB to replace him will be as poor against double teams, and beating those blocks, either single or chips...but will also be coached well into taking care of the edge. |
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Post by wtfjjk on Mar 9, 2020 9:01:29 GMT -5
Van Noy is circled. Was this one of those find Waldo games? To be honest I was hoping to find him near the leaders. Coulldn't find him and gave up. |
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