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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2020 11:33:42 GMT -5
so you think DG does his job so half-assed that he would compromise the draft due to the simple lack of proper communication? Do you think the Giants org would allow him to be that remiss? Joe Judge, as the new coach, would be cool with DG , an IBM Think Pad , and a flip phone.? Come on Bro.....you have your tinfoil hat too?....lol I think he half assed the 2018 draft 100%. He refused to negotiate and see what he could have gotten for pick 2. What if he was given a Hershal Walker type deal and he would never have known. Tin foil hat? The guy is getting clowned by everyone seeing that picture getting clowned by whom? Do you think he or any other GM really gives a damn about "war room" photos. What ever you think took place in 2018 regarding the Barkley draft has zero to do with having the proper "technology" . I am not a huge fan of DG but I am certainly dont think the guy is being clowned and has the respect of his peers.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 21, 2020 11:37:14 GMT -5
I have on Rich Eisen right now and he and his crew are all still banging on DG. First 5 minutes of the show. I'll try to find the link. Hilarilious and true.
"DG is the floor of acceptability" He is a dinosaur of technology in a day and age everyone and their janitors use it. All I'm saying.
I bet he pays by check at the grocery store lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 11:39:06 GMT -5
If we drafted Brown...
I can live with Simmons, he's a great player.... despite having to then listen to the board leprechaun post another 500 posts about his reasoning as to how he knew Simmons was figured out without ever watching the guy play a single snap in college...can live with Okudah whom I would take over Simmons, that's shut down x receiver every week in a passing NFL....would not even be that pissed if we went Lamb, JJ or Ruggs...but Brown?...
Yeah, that one would be painful.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 21, 2020 11:39:13 GMT -5
I think he half assed the 2018 draft 100%. He refused to negotiate and see what he could have gotten for pick 2. What if he was given a Hershal Walker type deal and he would never have known. Tin foil hat? The guy is getting clowned by everyone seeing that picture getting clowned by whom? Do you think he or any other GM really gives a damn about "war room" photos. What ever you think took place in 2018 regarding the Barkley draft has zero to do with having the proper "technology" . I am not a huge fan of DG but I am certainly dont think the guy is being clowned and has the respect of his peers. No I dont. It's pretty funny though that it fits DGs character to a tee. He is the kind of guy that would use a dial up modem and not think twice.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2020 11:42:17 GMT -5
getting clowned by whom? Do you think he or any other GM really gives a damn about "war room" photos. What ever you think took place in 2018 regarding the Barkley draft has zero to do with having the proper "technology" . I am not a huge fan of DG but I am certainly dont think the guy is being clowned and has the respect of his peers. No I dont. It's pretty funny though that it fits DGs character to a tee. He is the kind of guy that would use a dial up modem and not think twice. well I agree that he does have a old school way about him but I don think he is as "dial up modem" as he appears.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 21, 2020 11:52:59 GMT -5
I did see a mock draft today released by PFF (yeah, I know) that had the Giants passing on Chase Young to draft Jeudy. I am pretty sure that piss a lot of people off.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 21, 2020 12:10:53 GMT -5
I did see a mock draft today released by PFF (yeah, I know) that had the Giants passing on Chase Young to draft Jeudy. I am pretty sure that piss a lot of people off. That sounds about right for PFF.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2020 12:14:14 GMT -5
I did see a mock draft today released by PFF (yeah, I know) that had the Giants passing on Chase Young to draft Jeudy. I am pretty sure that piss a lot of people off. seems they make mocks for every scenario. Even the blatantly ridiculous !!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 12:24:47 GMT -5
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 21, 2020 12:37:44 GMT -5
while I want Thomas or Wills, I would be OK with Simmons or Okudah.
Remote throwers: -RB -Derrick Brown
Hell id even be slightly upset, but OK if we took a WR.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 21, 2020 12:39:26 GMT -5
I did see a mock draft today released by PFF (yeah, I know) that had the Giants passing on Chase Young to draft Jeudy. I am pretty sure that piss a lot of people off. So we don't head off to the main stream media method of fake news, this was how they did their last mock...5 hours ago. Obviously Timo Riske is an idiot. The funny thing about that mock draft is that I did not read any further once I saw the Giants pick and who they passed on. I feel very fortunate about Timo Riske not being in our front office.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 12:44:24 GMT -5
So we don't head off to the main stream media method of fake news, this was how they did their last mock...5 hours ago. Obviously Timo Riske is an idiot. The funny thing about that mock draft is that I did not read any further once I saw the Giants pick and who they passed on. I feel very fortunate about Timo Riske not being in our front office. Yes, and this is how he explains that pick So we weaponize the offense and this will suggest if Jones is a dud, or star...with another year of turnstiles and giving up the most pressures in the NFL, and hoping our OL suddenly creates between tackle lanes for Barkley....Jerry Jeudy, the Daniel Jones testing pick
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 21, 2020 13:23:53 GMT -5
4. NEW YORK GIANTS — WR JERRY JEUDY, ALABAMA
Timo Riske: Jeudy can play outside opposite Darius Slayton or in the slot next to Golden Tate, which would allow the Giants to max out any potential hidden in Daniel Jones or realize that there is none. I value this move more than drafting Chase Young, a move that would have them repeat their 2016 campaign at best.
I think most of us would be pretty happy with a winning record and a trip to the playoffs next season. I don't see any WR having that impact on win/loss.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 21, 2020 14:11:27 GMT -5
4. NEW YORK GIANTS — WR JERRY JEUDY, ALABAMA Timo Riske: Jeudy can play outside opposite Darius Slayton or in the slot next to Golden Tate, which would allow the Giants to max out any potential hidden in Daniel Jones or realize that there is none. I value this move more than drafting Chase Young, a move that would have them repeat their 2016 campaign at best.I think most of us would be pretty happy with a winning record and a trip to the playoffs next season. I don't see any WR having that impact on win/loss. In trying to rationalize his silly take, he makes himself sound even more irrational.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 21, 2020 14:31:29 GMT -5
I did see a mock draft today released by PFF (yeah, I know) that had the Giants passing on Chase Young to draft Jeudy. I am pretty sure that piss a lot of people off. TV sales would be through the roof if this happens in the NY are
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 21, 2020 14:34:57 GMT -5
The funny thing about that mock draft is that I did not read any further once I saw the Giants pick and who they passed on. I feel very fortunate about Timo Riske not being in our front office. Yes, and this is how he explains that pick So we weaponize the offense and this will suggest if Jones is a dud, or star...with another year of turnstiles and giving up the most pressures in the NFL, and hoping our OL suddenly creates between tackle lanes for Barkley....Jerry Jeudy, the Daniel Jones testing pick And passing on a stud pass rusher... Even Reese wouldn't be this dumb (Reese would have that card texted in. 5 seconds if Young fell to us)
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 21, 2020 14:36:49 GMT -5
If we drafted Brown... I can live with Simmons, he's a great player.... despite having to then listen to the board leprechaun post another 500 posts about his reasoning as to how he knew Simmons was figured out without ever watching the guy play a single snap in college...can live with Okudah whom I would take over Simmons, that's shut down x receiver every week in a passing NFL....would not even be that pissed if we went Lamb, JJ or Ruggs...but Brown?... Yeah, that one would be painful. Brown or Simmons (too high risk at 4 ) Even taking a reciever .....terrible allocation of resources with a terrible O line but at least they have defined positions and are all kinda safe picks
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Post by Delicreep on Apr 21, 2020 14:39:52 GMT -5
Young, Thomas, or Simmons at 4. A trade back a couple of spots and still get Thomas would be great. A QB if a predetermined trade is already in the queue. BTW...why do you think all this high tech wizardry is needed for a successful draft? It really isnt. A computer or two, a few charged cell phones with different numbers, and a plan. The most important part is the plan and its execution. Its how Im wired I guess. I think minimal he should have 2 screens up, and the TV on the draft on. And 2 phones ready to roll. Im not saying he cant have a successful draft without tech, but tech makes things easier. If he cant adjust to it to make things easier, he shouldnt be the GM. Kinda like when Coughlin was losing it at the end of his days here. He wasnt with the times and was being out coached. Do you need DG to be the most tech savvy person in the room or can the organization hire the best team for the draft to surround him? DG just needs to be in contact with the guys who have all the data at their fingertips - he doesn't need to run the thing alone.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 21, 2020 15:18:44 GMT -5
I have on Rich Eisen right now and he and his crew are all still banging on DG. First 5 minutes of the show. I'll try to find the link. Hilarilious and true. "DG is the floor of acceptability" He is a dinosaur of technology in a day and age everyone and their janitors use it. All I'm saying. I bet he pays by check at the grocery store lol While I agree that they all use technology better since none of them yield better results, does that actually matter? If all the runners are the same speed does it real matter that one has more advanced sneakers?
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 21, 2020 15:37:17 GMT -5
Jedrick Wills - Lacks functional strength, Low ceiling/upside, cannot play Left Tackle in the NFL Derrick Brown - assuming LW is resigned, don't need the position. Overrated prospect, plays with very high pad level. Mekhi Becton - High bust factor any WR any EDGE not named Chase Young Translation: I only see 4 acceptable picks, in order: 1) Thomas 2) Wirfs 3) Simmons 4) Okudah You lost me with your comment on Derek Brown - I don’t want him at 4 I want Thomas like you. Derrick Brown is not overrated by any stretch of the imagination. I have watched him every week for two years. In the SEC he was a man amongst boys. Every game he was a complete pain in the ass for whoever was blocking him - play after play after play. Stats don’t tell his story alone. If he becomes a Giant you will be happy when all is said and done.. By the way Okudah is a weak tackler and Wirfs is a powder puff compared to Wills IMO
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 21, 2020 15:46:07 GMT -5
I have on Rich Eisen right now and he and his crew are all still banging on DG. First 5 minutes of the show. I'll try to find the link. Hilarilious and true. "DG is the floor of acceptability" He is a dinosaur of technology in a day and age everyone and their janitors use it. All I'm saying. I bet he pays by check at the grocery store lol so do I understand that you don't like Gettleman...
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 21, 2020 15:57:55 GMT -5
Earlier this year I wanted Jeudy. The draft is so deep at the position I changed gears to OT.
With that said, if we took Jeudy I’d be ecstatic. He will be a gold nugget that takes our offense to top shelf level. Need to address C and OT though to keep DJ upright to deliver the ball to his arsenal.
I quit throwing the remote when I became an adult but I would hate Okudah at 4
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 21, 2020 16:14:07 GMT -5
I have on Rich Eisen right now and he and his crew are all still banging on DG. First 5 minutes of the show. I'll try to find the link. Hilarilious and true. "DG is the floor of acceptability" He is a dinosaur of technology in a day and age everyone and their janitors use it. All I'm saying. I bet he pays by check at the grocery store lol While I agree that they all use technology better since none of them yield better results, does that actually matter? If all the runners are the same speed does it real matter that one has more advanced sneakers? What makes you think they are yielding the same results? Since DG has been here we are 9-23. Thats well below average. In fact, only the Bengals and Cardinals have fewer wins.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 21, 2020 16:15:11 GMT -5
with the talent available in the early first round it would be almost impossible to make a remote thrower pick..
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 21, 2020 16:20:36 GMT -5
Earlier this year I wanted Jeudy. The draft is so deep at the position I changed gears to OT. With that said, if we took Jeudy I’d be ecstatic. He will be a gold nugget that takes our offense to top shelf level. Need to address C and OT though to keep DJ upright to deliver the ball to his arsenal. I quit throwing the remote when I became an adult but I would hate Okudah at 4 OBJ was never able to take our offense to top shelf level, I thought OBJ was extremely talented and a game breaker type receiver but it just didn't happen for us while he was here....
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 21, 2020 16:25:41 GMT -5
Earlier this year I wanted Jeudy. The draft is so deep at the position I changed gears to OT. With that said, if we took Jeudy I’d be ecstatic. He will be a gold nugget that takes our offense to top shelf level. Need to address C and OT though to keep DJ upright to deliver the ball to his arsenal. I quit throwing the remote when I became an adult but I would hate Okudah at 4 OBJ was never able to take our offense to top shelf level, I thought OBJ was extremely talented and a game breaker type receiver but it just didn't happen for us while he was here.... If Flowers,Richburg and Pugh were even average and healthy like many of us hoped he would have helped the entire offense be a top 3 unit
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Post by Nite on Apr 21, 2020 16:32:01 GMT -5
Did Nite get a new handle? I thought he posted this thread a few weeks ago. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ....
Bap!
Wha... someone impersonating moi? I'll have my attorneys get on this right away....
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 21, 2020 16:48:32 GMT -5
Earlier this year I wanted Jeudy. The draft is so deep at the position I changed gears to OT. With that said, if we took Jeudy I’d be ecstatic. He will be a gold nugget that takes our offense to top shelf level. Need to address C and OT though to keep DJ upright to deliver the ball to his arsenal. I quit throwing the remote when I became an adult but I would hate Okudah at 4 OBJ was never able to take our offense to top shelf level, I thought OBJ was extremely talented and a game breaker type receiver but it just didn't happen for us while he was here.... That’s an apples and oranges comparison. OBJ didn’t have DJ throwing to him - he had over the hill Eli. The Oline should be significantly better this season (if the right moves are made) than it was with OBJ. And Jeudy is a talented got his act together hard working model teammate type. OBJ was a talented attention starved diva head case who was a ME guy not a WE guy. Jeudy would provide what we expected out of Beckham - stardom playing football not foolishness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 16:57:19 GMT -5
Jedrick Wills - Lacks functional strength, Low ceiling/upside, cannot play Left Tackle in the NFL Derrick Brown - assuming LW is resigned, don't need the position. Overrated prospect, plays with very high pad level. Mekhi Becton - High bust factor any WR any EDGE not named Chase Young Translation: I only see 4 acceptable picks, in order: 1) Thomas 2) Wirfs 3) Simmons 4) Okudah I disagree on all 3 actually. Derrick Brown is a Game Changer ( we don’t need him above our other needs) but let’s not say he isn’t worth a top 5 pick Becton is my favorite tackle. He has enormous size and quickness. Could be an all time great. He is already dominant and his technique needs work. I think DG said in sum and substance you don’t draft for what is right now. You draft for what a player can become. I know that sounds like a reach but it’s not Wills if Saban puts his name on him, you know he is elite. He is a big body player that is also very quick I think you’re just looking for a reason to break that remote
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 21, 2020 17:31:44 GMT -5
While I agree that they all use technology better since none of them yield better results, does that actually matter? If all the runners are the same speed does it real matter that one has more advanced sneakers? What makes you think they are yielding the same results? Since DG has been here we are 9-23. Thats well below average. In fact, only the Bengals and Cardinals have fewer wins. What makes you think they aren't? You cite W-L record which is not how I would measure draft results. I get the simplicity of that measure but by that measure a brand new GM to a team with a winning record is great at drafting. I don't see it that way at all. I'd measure the results of each player drafted by each individual GM against each other only. Removing the subjective nonsense upon which nearly every article on the subject is based, I've yet to see any data supporting the idea that a particular GM is vastly outperforming others at drafting consistently over time.
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