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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 18:26:26 GMT -5
www.nj.com/giants/2020/03/nfl-rumors-why-ex-bears-lb-leonard-floyd-should-be-on-giants-radar-in-free-agency.htmlWas not let go because he can't play, was all contract...can still pressure the QB, and he is a great coverage OLB and sets a good edge....would come cheaper then Clowney, far cheaper...and Golden is not covering anybody. He would put to rest the Simmons talk....a lot of pieces then on defense that can get the QB, and we get the cover a TE guy as well. 39 pressures 3 sacks 9 hits 27 hurries 32 tackles About a 70 PFF overall defensive grade...good on coverage, setting the edge, and getting to the QB. Thoughts? Stink? Not stink? I'm saying a non stink signing at 13 per
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Post by TEM on Mar 17, 2020 18:27:50 GMT -5
He needs to be cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 19:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 19:38:39 GMT -5
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37. EDGE LEONARD FLOYD
Leonard Floyd never came close to living up to his ninth overall selection in 2016. He has never produced a pass-rush grade above 65.0 nor has he ever cracked the 50th percentile in that metric in any given season. Floyd did, however, show he can drop into coverage and perform at a reasonable level in 2018 when he allowed 68 yards on his 119 coverage snaps while tacking on four plays made on the ball. He'll likely be signed to a cheap, one-year prove-it type of deal and is worth pursuing considering the potential that once was there, but I wouldn't expect much return given his past performance.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 17, 2020 19:46:03 GMT -5
Rumors are Giants in the mix
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 17, 2020 19:53:05 GMT -5
Please no. We already have one average former Georgia Bulldog in Carter, let’s not make it two with Floyd.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 17, 2020 20:00:44 GMT -5
Does sound a bit like Carter
Luckily someone jumped ahead of us to prevent us from making this bad choice(for a 9th overall pick)
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 17, 2020 20:09:38 GMT -5
Does sound a bit like Carter Luckily someone jumped ahead of us to prevent us from making this bad choice(for a 9th overall pick) Yeah because Eli Apple was much better... You know in that draft we could have taken Laremy Tunsil and Michael Thomas? Hell we took BJ Goodson over Blake MArtinez in the 4th round too...
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 17, 2020 21:31:29 GMT -5
Leonard would be as good a edge rushing LBer that's left out there imo. We were awful high on this young man 5 years ago. Although it was a different regime.
If we don't sign Clowney we could get both Leonard and Golden for the same money I would think. Would that be better ? But remember Leonard did come up with those numbers cause all the attention was on Kalihl Mack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 0:42:29 GMT -5
Leonard would be as good a edge rushing LBer that's left out there imo. We were awful high on this young man 5 years ago. Although it was a different regime. If we don't sign Clowney we could get both Leonard and Golden for the same money I would think. Would that be better ? But remember Leonard did come up with those numbers cause all the attention was on Kalihl Mack. We only have like 15mil left
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 18, 2020 10:25:35 GMT -5
I don't want us to bring in any FA that will keep us from drafting Simmons..
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 18, 2020 10:27:23 GMT -5
Leonard would be as good a edge rushing LBer that's left out there imo. We were awful high on this young man 5 years ago. Although it was a different regime. If we don't sign Clowney we could get both Leonard and Golden for the same money I would think. Would that be better ? But remember Leonard did come up with those numbers cause all the attention was on Kalihl Mack. We only have like 15mil left that won't be enough to sign Clowney and I have some issues with Clowney anyway, too much money and he takes a lot of plays off...
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 18, 2020 11:02:29 GMT -5
www.nj.com/giants/2020/03/nfl-rumors-why-ex-bears-lb-leonard-floyd-should-be-on-giants-radar-in-free-agency.htmlWas not let go because he can't play, was all contract...can still pressure the QB, and he is a great coverage OLB and sets a good edge....would come cheaper then Clowney, far cheaper...and Golden is not covering anybody. He would put to rest the Simmons talk....a lot of pieces then on defense that can get the QB, and we get the cover a TE guy as well. 39 pressures 3 sacks 9 hits 27 hurries 32 tackles About a 70 PFF overall defensive grade...good on coverage, setting the edge, and getting to the QB. Thoughts? Stink? Not stink? I'm saying a non stink signing at 13 per Signing Floyd would put to rest the Simmons talk? You cannot be serious. The guy is mediocre at best
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 12:43:25 GMT -5
www.nj.com/giants/2020/03/nfl-rumors-why-ex-bears-lb-leonard-floyd-should-be-on-giants-radar-in-free-agency.htmlWas not let go because he can't play, was all contract...can still pressure the QB, and he is a great coverage OLB and sets a good edge....would come cheaper then Clowney, far cheaper...and Golden is not covering anybody. He would put to rest the Simmons talk....a lot of pieces then on defense that can get the QB, and we get the cover a TE guy as well. 39 pressures 3 sacks 9 hits 27 hurries 32 tackles About a 70 PFF overall defensive grade...good on coverage, setting the edge, and getting to the QB. Thoughts? Stink? Not stink? I'm saying a non stink signing at 13 per Signing Floyd would put to rest the Simmons talk? You cannot be serious. The guy is mediocre at best So, you are basically suggesting...signing Floyd would stink
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Post by TEM on Mar 18, 2020 12:56:09 GMT -5
Stink is a relative term
Floyd for over 10 Million "stink"
Floyd for under 8 Million 👏
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 18, 2020 13:05:22 GMT -5
Signing Floyd would put to rest the Simmons talk? You cannot be serious. The guy is mediocre at best So, you are basically suggesting...signing Floyd would stink Depending on the money, could be worth the risk, but signing Floyd should in no way affect the decision as to whether or not to select Simmons.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 18, 2020 13:06:54 GMT -5
We only have like 15mil left that won't be enough to sign Clowney and I have some issues with Clowney anyway, too much money and he takes a lot of plays off... Pretty sure we're out of the Clowney market. I would bet (not a lot though) that he goes back to Seattle and doesn't get his $23M asking price ….
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 13:28:20 GMT -5
So, you are basically suggesting...signing Floyd would stink Depending on the money, could be worth the risk, but signing Floyd should in no way affect the decision as to whether or not to select Simmons. So, getting all of these linebackers and adding a Floyd, with the Berry and Leonard... would not have any impact on drafting Simmons, Okudah or Brown? Still believe BPA all the way through?... and Simmons, who has the same Swiss army knife profile as Floyd did when coming out, would not have DG lean towards OL help? I'll have to disagree with you on this...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 13:30:14 GMT -5
that won't be enough to sign Clowney and I have some issues with Clowney anyway, too much money and he takes a lot of plays off... Pretty sure we're out of the Clowney market. I would bet (not a lot though) that he goes back to Seattle and doesn't get his $23M asking price …. For a team that seemed to have a massive amount of cap space, we sure seemed to have went through that rather quickly...
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Post by TEM on Mar 18, 2020 13:36:42 GMT -5
Pretty sure we're out of the Clowney market. I would bet (not a lot though) that he goes back to Seattle and doesn't get his $23M asking price …. For a team that seemed to have a massive amount of cap space, we sure seemed to have went through that rather quickly... It shows it was not the cash crop it was touted as. Players that are not on rookie contracts eat cap space quickly.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 18, 2020 14:43:04 GMT -5
Depending on the money, could be worth the risk, but signing Floyd should in no way affect the decision as to whether or not to select Simmons. So, getting all of these linebackers and adding a Floyd, with the Berry and Leonard... would not have any impact on drafting Simmons, Okudah or Brown? Still believe BPA all the way through?... and Simmons, who has the same Swiss army knife profile as Floyd did when coming out, would not have DG lean towards OL help? I'll have to disagree with you on this... Martinez is not the same type of player as Simmons, and the other LB's (Fackrel, Mayo) are not good enough to dictate draft strategy. So no, I don't think that the signing of any of these LB's should preclude the drafting of Simmons. (I think that drafting an OT should preclude the drafting of Simmons though, but that's another question). DT and CB are a different story. I think that given the draft and FA assets devoted to those positions over the last two years coupled with the holes we have at numerous other positions on this roster, drafting a DT or CB at #4 would be an extremely poor allocation of resources.
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 18, 2020 15:06:54 GMT -5
I just wish we could take Simmons at #4 and be able to make some kind of move up to grab an OT in round 1, probably not very likely...
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 18, 2020 17:38:11 GMT -5
I just wish we could take Simmons at #4 and be able to make some kind of move up to grab an OT in round 1, probably not very likely... Bypass Jonathan Ogden 2.0 for Simmons? No way
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 9:14:55 GMT -5
He's gone...went to LaLa land....1 year deal...10 million that can go 13 with incentives.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 20, 2020 10:27:28 GMT -5
He's gone...went to LaLa land....1 year deal...10 million that can go 13 with incentives. A lot of money for the little that he brings to the table ….
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Post by GameTime on Mar 20, 2020 10:29:21 GMT -5
nah.....wasnt high on him from the his draft day.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 20, 2020 14:19:49 GMT -5
Rumors are Giants in the mix Same underachieving player
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 20, 2020 14:21:09 GMT -5
I just wish we could take Simmons at #4 and be able to make some kind of move up to grab an OT in round 1, probably not very likely... Bypass Jonathan Ogden 2.0 for Simmons? No way can anyone tell me who in the draft fits this bill?
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 20, 2020 15:12:09 GMT -5
So, getting all of these linebackers and adding a Floyd, with the Berry and Leonard... would not have any impact on drafting Simmons, Okudah or Brown? Still believe BPA all the way through?... and Simmons, who has the same Swiss army knife profile as Floyd did when coming out, would not have DG lean towards OL help? I'll have to disagree with you on this... Martinez is not the same type of player as Simmons, and the other LB's (Fackrel, Mayo) are not good enough to dictate draft strategy. So no, I don't think that the signing of any of these LB's should preclude the drafting of Simmons. (I think that drafting an OT should preclude the drafting of Simmons though, but that's another question). DT and CB are a different story. I think that given the draft and FA assets devoted to those positions over the last two years coupled with the holes we have at numerous other positions on this roster, drafting a DT or CB at #4 would be an extremely poor allocation of resources. I think the team is just short on playmakers, we have a few but very few, a pass rushing specialist would go a long way to helping this defense..
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 20, 2020 17:13:41 GMT -5
Martinez is not the same type of player as Simmons, and the other LB's (Fackrel, Mayo) are not good enough to dictate draft strategy. So no, I don't think that the signing of any of these LB's should preclude the drafting of Simmons. (I think that drafting an OT should preclude the drafting of Simmons though, but that's another question). DT and CB are a different story. I think that given the draft and FA assets devoted to those positions over the last two years coupled with the holes we have at numerous other positions on this roster, drafting a DT or CB at #4 would be an extremely poor allocation of resources. I think the team is just short on playmakers, we have a few but very few, a pass rushing specialist would go a long way to helping this defense.. Simmons is a pass rushing specialist?
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