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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 19:38:35 GMT -5
James Bradberry and Blake Martinez were too much money for too little skill...not even average signings...poor signings. IMHO of course. Shall we be taking notes on this so we can revisit later in the year and laugh at which ever side was wrong?
This money puts him in the Lavonte David, Leonard Floyd, Jamie Collins, Benardrick McKinney area. I think that is about right for the type of player he is. Above him is Schobert, Jaylon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan and Cory Littleton; all of whom he should be below IMO. Seems about right.
Now that is not to say you or anyone should like the signing, if you don't like him that is another story but I think the money is pretty much where it should be for the level/type of player he is. I would like this signing much more if we had someone in the LB room that could cover.
As for Bradberry I think you are just wrong. He is a very good coverage CB that gave up 1 TD all year in a division playing the Bucs, Saints and Falcons twice. He replaces our #1 CB that gave up 3 TDs in one half vs the Bucs last year lol.
Actually Bradberry gave up 2 TD's according to PFF, 1 each in the games against the Saints. Being you love stats, let me throw out some for you. Bradberry 81 targets with 48 receptions. 673 yards. 197 yards after catch. 3 picks. Below average coverage, below average total defense. Brutal run defense and good in pass rushing...yeah, he had as many sacks as... Leonard Williams, One. I would of said the same amount as Clowney had he 3... The fact is, he is the third highest paid cornerback and is a below "average" graded with stats, maybe not the stats you want to cherry pick, but overall graded stats...BELOW average corner. Blake? He has a lot of tackles. But.... 57.7 total defense grade 47.7 run defense grade BTW, in 2018, Blake Martinez was GREAT in coverage. 82.6 2019 very good grade in pass rush The two years before that could be worst in the league....coverage. Last year he was slightly below average...coverage. As PFF suggests, he's always very good in each year at one thing, but is horrible at two others. They are awaiting for him to put it all together. If he does, then you can get that I am right stamp of approval you desire. I simply go by what I look at, video...the grading, the stats...not just the selected stats backing a point of blind love. These two signings were simply not great in regards to money spent, what you see on the video, and what the grades suggest...the unbiased anti Giants conspiracy theory grades
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Post by GameTime on Mar 23, 2020 19:51:53 GMT -5
yeah whatever.... I'll complain if they are as terrible as some say. Right now they are NYGs and with that I feel they will all be very good contributes to the team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 20:05:26 GMT -5
yeah whatever.... I'll complain if they are as terrible as some say. Right now they are NYGs and with that I feel they will all be very good contributes to the team. Yes, because the NY Giants are our ugly kid ...I get it, it's human nature to be optimistic each off season, and I'm the same way. But with clear eyes...with all we know about these guys being it's out there, the stats, simple and advanced...the watching them, they are not good to great players. Hopefully Blake puts it all together, he has at least going for him, hope for good ....Bradberry is the league average/below average cover guy...that yes, has done well against some good receivers, but gives up a lot of big plays, actually more than any other corner, versus the entire leagues receivers. The draft will make or break this team...not Martinez or Bradberry. That's kind of sad, because we did have a nice blank check and it seems we were so worried of past failures, we ended up front loading average. IMHO of course
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Post by GameTime on Mar 23, 2020 20:12:22 GMT -5
yeah whatever.... I'll complain if they are as terrible as some say. Right now they are NYGs and with that I feel they will all be very good contributes to the team. Yes, because the NY Giants are our ugly kid ...I get it, it's human nature to be optimistic each off season, and I'm the same way. But with clear eyes...with all we know about these guys being it's out there, the stats, simple and advanced...the watching them, they are not good to great players. Hopefully Blake puts it all together, he has at least going for him, hope for good ....Bradberry is the league average/below average cover guy...that yes, has done well against some good receivers, but gives up a lot of big plays, actually more than any other corner, versus the entire leagues receivers. The draft will make or break this team...not Martinez or Bradberry. That's kind of sad, because we did have a nice blank check and it seems we were so worried of past failures, we ended up front loading average. IMHO of course Hope isnt and shouldn't be a strategy for a team but as a fan I'm cool with it. On a better note I heard the Cowturds Center Travis Frederick retired today....
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 23, 2020 20:29:12 GMT -5
Actually Bradberry gave up 2 TD's according to PFF, 1 each in the games against the Saints. The fact is, he is the third highest paid cornerback and is a below "average" graded with stats, maybe not the stats you want to cherry pick, but overall graded stats...BELOW average corner. BTW, in 2018, Blake Martinez was GREAT in coverage. 82.6 PFF is the only one that says he gave up 2, every where else I have looked says 1; but does that make a difference to either of us? Not likely, 1 or 2 won't sway anyone.
He was #8 in pass breakups, #6 (tied) in TDs allowed, #11 in yards per reception and #10 in passer rating allowed. He just doesn't seem average to me. We also have to account for the fact he was up against Mike Evans (twice), Julio Jones (twice) and Michael Thomas (twice). That is 6 matches against 3 of the best WRs in the league. He also played the Rams (#4 passing attack), Arizona covering Fitzgerald, Houston covering Hopkins and Seattle facing Russell Wilson. Yes he gave up a lot of yards last year but facing this killer schedule, shadowing the #1 WR he still only gave up 1 TD and got 3 INTs.
As for you PFF stats about Martinez, no one cares about PFF and this is why. They rated him "great" in pass coverage and you are good with that. The QB rating when targeting him in 2018 was 118.1. They completed 73% of their passes against him lmao. Yeah great coverage there. Can you find a single person on this site to agree with you that was great coverage?
Like you pointed out though, people can have differing opinions. We shall see next year how these fella's do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 23:02:26 GMT -5
Actually Bradberry gave up 2 TD's according to PFF, 1 each in the games against the Saints. The fact is, he is the third highest paid cornerback and is a below "average" graded with stats, maybe not the stats you want to cherry pick, but overall graded stats...BELOW average corner. BTW, in 2018, Blake Martinez was GREAT in coverage. 82.6 PFF is the only one that says he gave up 2, every where else I have looked says 1; but does that make a difference to either of us? Not likely, 1 or 2 won't sway anyone.
He was #8 in pass breakups, #6 (tied) in TDs allowed, #11 in yards per reception and #10 in passer rating allowed. He just doesn't seem average to me. We also have to account for the fact he was up against Mike Evans (twice), Julio Jones (twice) and Michael Thomas (twice). That is 6 matches against 3 of the best WRs in the league. He also played the Rams (#4 passing attack), Arizona covering Fitzgerald, Houston covering Hopkins and Seattle facing Russell Wilson. Yes he gave up a lot of yards last year but facing this killer schedule, shadowing the #1 WR he still only gave up 1 TD and got 3 INTs.
As for you PFF stats about Martinez, no one cares about PFF and this is why. They rated him "great" in pass coverage and you are good with that. The QB rating when targeting him in 2018 was 118.1. They completed 73% of their passes against him lmao. Yeah great coverage there. Can you find a single person on this site to agree with you that was great coverage?
Like you pointed out though, people can have differing opinions. We shall see next year how these fella's do.
They actually completed 81.5% of the passes against Blake in 2018....44 of 54 targets. I actually agree with you, just watching him on some video (believe his 4 sacks and 15 pressures helped that grade that year)...he's brutal in coverage. Not athletic at all...so many of his tackles are of the clean up type where he is washed well past the LOS, not able to disengage from a block. I can go far more into detail with the stats, but I've seen enough to know he's not athletic and not very good...my eyes are my stats with him. Oh well, the ugly kids is ours now...it is, what it is.... dairylandexpress.com/2019/11/07/green-bay-packers-blake-martinez-era-end/Gotta go local to see what the beat writers and analysts covering the player they see every day have a consensus on, before we blindly say "love it"...and they simply suggest Blake is what we all thought he would be...a small, undersized non athletic linebacker who can't cover, can't shed blocks and only gets tackles well past the LOS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 23:09:45 GMT -5
Yes, because the NY Giants are our ugly kid ...I get it, it's human nature to be optimistic each off season, and I'm the same way. But with clear eyes...with all we know about these guys being it's out there, the stats, simple and advanced...the watching them, they are not good to great players. Hopefully Blake puts it all together, he has at least going for him, hope for good ....Bradberry is the league average/below average cover guy...that yes, has done well against some good receivers, but gives up a lot of big plays, actually more than any other corner, versus the entire leagues receivers. The draft will make or break this team...not Martinez or Bradberry. That's kind of sad, because we did have a nice blank check and it seems we were so worried of past failures, we ended up front loading average. IMHO of course Hope isnt and shouldn't be a strategy for a team but as a fan I'm cool with it. On a better note I heard the Cowturds Center Travis Frederick retired today.... He was arguably the best in the league...looks like they will be in competition with us for drafting one...let's spy out their intentions and trade up...we know they draft solid in the OL.....whomever they are targeting will be good I'm sure
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 14:56:24 GMT -5
They actually completed 81.5% of the passes against Blake in 2018....44 of 54 targets. I actually agree with you, just watching him on some video (believe his 4 sacks and 15 pressures helped that grade that year)...he's brutal in coverage. Not athletic at all...so many of his tackles are of the clean up type where he is washed well past the LOS, not able to disengage from a block. My stats show 45 of 61, but either way we both agree that PFF is full of shit and he is far from great in pass coverage.
Now whether he helps this team win or not is the only thing that matters at this point. Last year I was very frustrated that we had this stout DL eating up blockers and it took a guy with 4 starts and 62 career tackles to lead our LBs in tackling. We simply did not have a LB worth a damn at tackling. My hope is that Martinez playing behind our DL can actually make the plays needed. I'm far from the blind "I love it" crowd, I just think he is for certain an improvement. Still not the coverage LB we need but he should be able to tackle behind our DL.
We shall see.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 14:57:36 GMT -5
He was arguably the best in the league...looks like they will be in competition with us for drafting one...let's spy out their intentions and trade up...we know they draft solid in the OL.....whomever they are targeting will be good I'm sure Hopefully with Garrett and Columbo here we get some damn insight into their OL scouting process. I can't believe it is all Jerry Jones when it comes to finding them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 17:38:20 GMT -5
They actually completed 81.5% of the passes against Blake in 2018....44 of 54 targets. I actually agree with you, just watching him on some video (believe his 4 sacks and 15 pressures helped that grade that year)...he's brutal in coverage. Not athletic at all...so many of his tackles are of the clean up type where he is washed well past the LOS, not able to disengage from a block. My stats show 45 of 61, but either way we both agree that PFF is full of shit and he is far from great in pass coverage.
Now whether he helps this team win or not is the only thing that matters at this point. Last year I was very frustrated that we had this stout DL eating up blockers and it took a guy with 4 starts and 62 career tackles to lead our LBs in tackling. We simply did not have a LB worth a damn at tackling. My hope is that Martinez playing behind our DL can actually make the plays needed. I'm far from the blind "I love it" crowd, I just think he is for certain an improvement. Still not the coverage LB we need but he should be able to tackle behind our DL.
We shall see.
No, just add on other aspects before they arrive at a grade...believe they include sacks and QB pressures...but as for sticking with a man? Yeah, he's brutal. Sadly, most middle linebackers are...they should have a better sense in zone...you figure though, Blake is so light he would at least be a Dye type player...he is not. Patrick Queen could be a cheaper Littleton, and possibly slipping to early 2nd round.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 17:40:28 GMT -5
He was arguably the best in the league...looks like they will be in competition with us for drafting one...let's spy out their intentions and trade up...we know they draft solid in the OL.....whomever they are targeting will be good I'm sure Hopefully with Garrett and Columbo here we get some damn insight into their OL scouting process. I can't believe it is all Jerry Jones when it comes to finding them. Yeah, getting the hint we have a Patriot coach, Green Bay coach, Panther GM and Cowboy coaches on this team...seems all we are signing these days.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 17:54:47 GMT -5
No, just add on other aspects before they arrive at a grade...believe they include sacks and QB pressures...but as for sticking with a man? Yeah, he's brutal. Sadly, most middle linebackers are...they should have a better sense in zone...you figure though, Blake is so light he would at least be a Dye type player...he is not. Patrick Queen could be a cheaper Littleton, and possibly slipping to early 2nd round. Why on earth would they include sacks and QB pressures is a coverage grade? "BTW, in 2018, Blake Martinez was GREAT in coverage. 82.6" is what you said. It's ok to agree that PFF grades are a complete joke. I have said for a long time that they have fantastic stats but their grades are useless other than to spark conversation.
If we don't go Simmons round 1 and get an OT then I think Queen, Murray or Dye could be a guy to add to this D. We need a LB that can cover so badly though. Hope we add one. Still a little surprised we didn't land Littleton or Schobert.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 18:05:34 GMT -5
No, just add on other aspects before they arrive at a grade...believe they include sacks and QB pressures...but as for sticking with a man? Yeah, he's brutal. Sadly, most middle linebackers are...they should have a better sense in zone...you figure though, Blake is so light he would at least be a Dye type player...he is not. Patrick Queen could be a cheaper Littleton, and possibly slipping to early 2nd round. Why on earth would they include sacks and QB pressures is a coverage grade? "BTW, in 2018, Blake Martinez was GREAT in coverage. 82.6" is what you said. It's ok to agree that PFF grades are a complete joke. I have said for a long time that they have fantastic stats but their grades are useless other than to spark conversation.
If we don't go Simmons round 1 and get an OT then I think Queen, Murray or Dye could be a guy to add to this D. We need a LB that can cover so badly though. Hope we add one. Still a little surprised we didn't land Littleton or Schobert.
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It's the new math Mike.... I guess the tackling machine after the catch is why he was graded so high...and that was only 2018 I assure you, the other 3 years he was not even doing that....he's lost in zone. His tape...it's so ugly, I wonder why they signed him.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 18:12:39 GMT -5
That is exactly why I think their grading is just silly. Maybe THEY think limiting yards after the catch is the most important thing in coverage but who knows if NFL teams do, or if ALL NFL teams do, maybe some want a LB that actually stops passes. Also 66% of the yards he gave up came after the catch, not like he was stopping people dead in their tracks. Guys were running for an additional 6 yards after they caught the ball against him.
Come on board...unite the clans...denounce PFF grades as a useless joke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 18:14:09 GMT -5
That is exactly why I think their grading is just silly. Maybe THEY think limiting yards after the catch is the most important thing in coverage but who knows if NFL teams do, or if ALL NFL teams do, maybe some want a LB that actually stops passes. Also 66% of the yards he gave up came after the catch, not like he was stopping people dead in their tracks. Guys were running for an additional 6 yards after they caught the ball against him.
Come on board...unite the clans...denounce PFF grades as a useless joke.
Maybe they realize, most inside linebackers play zone...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 18:53:01 GMT -5
Actually Bradberry gave up 2 TD's according to PFF, 1 each in the games against the Saints. The fact is, he is the third highest paid cornerback and is a below "average" graded with stats, maybe not the stats you want to cherry pick, but overall graded stats...BELOW average corner. BTW, in 2018, Blake Martinez was GREAT in coverage. 82.6 PFF is the only one that says he gave up 2, every where else I have looked says 1; but does that make a difference to either of us? Not likely, 1 or 2 won't sway anyone.
He was #8 in pass breakups, #6 (tied) in TDs allowed, #11 in yards per reception and #10 in passer rating allowed. He just doesn't seem average to me. We also have to account for the fact he was up against Mike Evans (twice), Julio Jones (twice) and Michael Thomas (twice). That is 6 matches against 3 of the best WRs in the league. He also played the Rams (#4 passing attack), Arizona covering Fitzgerald, Houston covering Hopkins and Seattle facing Russell Wilson. Yes he gave up a lot of yards last year but facing this killer schedule, shadowing the #1 WR he still only gave up 1 TD and got 3 INTs.
As for you PFF stats about Martinez, no one cares about PFF and this is why. They rated him "great" in pass coverage and you are good with that. The QB rating when targeting him in 2018 was 118.1. They completed 73% of their passes against him lmao. Yeah great coverage there. Can you find a single person on this site to agree with you that was great coverage?
Like you pointed out though, people can have differing opinions. We shall see next year how these fella's do.
Let's go back into PFF hell now Mike...that place you use for Littleton but laugh at Blake Would you care to see how all your linebacker buddies you liked did in those stats? Littleton? 60 of 79 and 79.7%. 104.7 QB rating Mike says... Schobert 48 of 64 and 75%. 101.4 QB rating Here you go Mike...what is the difference between all these off ball linebackers and why do they all allow so many completions, and high QB ratings...while you laughed at a single one, in a 2018 year of Blake where he was rated high in coverage...but the two you claim are great in pass coverage, as instructed by from those very sites using the PFF system, have literally the same stats you laughed out as horrible...come on guy...tell me the reason why they are considered better in coverage then 2018 Blake?...and even easier, Blake in general I'll wait....this might take some time
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 19:11:13 GMT -5
tell me the reason why they are considered better in coverage then 2018 Blake? I'll wait....this might take some time Won't take much time. The film does not lie. Go watch it and you will see that Schobert and Littleton are both better in coverage than Martinez. You said (in defense of PFF) not allowing YAC is what makes a LB good in coverage, which is trash and you know it.
But just so we are clear you are defending PFF and sticking with "Martinez is GREAT in coverage"? Because a few posts back you said "Yeah, he's brutal.".
So which is it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 19:28:22 GMT -5
tell me the reason why they are considered better in coverage then 2018 Blake? I'll wait....this might take some time Won't take much time. The film does not lie. Go watch it and you will see that Schobert and Littleton are both better in coverage than Martinez. You said (in defense of PFF) not allowing YAC is what makes a LB good in coverage, which is trash and you know it.
But just so we are clear you are defending PFF and sticking with "Martinez is GREAT in coverage"? Because a few posts back you said "Yeah, he's brutal.".
So which is it? I'm hanging onto your every word Mike. You went into PFF stat attack...used it for some laughing at a 2018 Blake was good in coverage stat I used. Now I am using, after you have suggested to me Littleton and Schobert were great coverage linebackers, their sats...the same stats you came to this conclusion...ready? As for you PFF stats about Martinez, no one cares about PFF and this is why. They rated him "great" in pass coverage and you are good with that. The QB rating when targeting him in 2018 was 118.1. They completed 73% of their passes against him lmao. Yeah great coverage there. Can you find a single person on this site to agree with you that was great coverage? - Mike from Dublin
See that Mike? Using your words. You used a stat to suggest in 2018, when PFF had rated Martinez played well in coverage, as a brutal coverage guy...because of completions against %...and a QB rating. I attempted to suggest more variables, and these guys are graded more for other then those stats, as all off ball linebackers who play zone allow a lot of receptions. You laughed that off in some more PFF mockery...so now, I use that same PFF stat you laughed at, and direct my crosshairs right at your two great coverage linebackers. Littleton 60 of 79 and 79.7%. 104.7 QB rating Schobert 48 of 64 and 75%. 101.4 QB rating Martinez 44 of 54 and 81% 118 QB rating I'm hanging onto your every word Mike....now you are trying to save some face with a quick this won't take long response...and now suggesting the tape. Well, since you began using the stat, lived by the stat, and have been called out with the very same stat you laughed at with Martinez, why shall we now downshift into the tape? Show me those 60 of 79 and 79.7%. 104.7 QB rating video tapes of Littleton. I have them right here...show me, and analyze what makes HIM a better coverage linebacker over the 2018 Blake Martinez. 2019 Littleton vs 2018 Blake Martinez. I can easily say Littleton is a better athlete...far better speed, sideline...but when he is covering...show me that tape. The tape you base your argument on. Still waiting.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 24, 2020 21:15:12 GMT -5
Can't you just settle this once and for all with his Madden score?
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 22:00:10 GMT -5
Can't you just settle this once and for all with his Madden score? Lol
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Post by jimmieray on Mar 25, 2020 5:47:38 GMT -5
Hope isnt and shouldn't be a strategy for a team but as a fan I'm cool with it. On a better note I heard the Cowturds Center Travis Frederick retired today.... He was arguably the best in the league...looks like they will be in competition with us for drafting one...let's spy out their intentions and trade up...we know they draft solid in the OL.....whomever they are targeting will be good I'm sure They really don't need to draft a center, with Halapio available and probably cheap. They must have taken note of his style, when they played us the last 2 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 5:57:21 GMT -5
Can't you just settle this once and for all with his Madden score?
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 25, 2020 6:21:08 GMT -5
Who would win if Aris and Irishmike settled this discussion by fighting to the death with pool cues?
A) Aris B) Irishmike C) the rest of the board
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 25, 2020 6:26:44 GMT -5
Corey Littleton is way better football player than Blake Martinez and its not even close.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 25, 2020 6:52:08 GMT -5
Who would win if Aris and Irishmike settled this discussion by fighting to the death with pool cues? A) Aris B) Irishmike C) the rest of the board ................what are the odds in Vegas? I actually can answer that. Vegas only cares where the money goes when setting odds...in this case, they would surely know that 99.98% of the betting public would pick "C" So it would be something like 1000 to 1 for A and B, and 1 to 1000 for C
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 25, 2020 7:22:35 GMT -5
Corey Littleton is way better football player than Blake Martinez and its not even close. I would bet a lot of money that you’ve never seen either play
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 8:16:11 GMT -5
One thing I like about Martinez is the guy is a leader, a real one, not just a "good locker room guy" but a dude who was micd up and orchestrating things on field, in game.
I think we have a head coach and staff that will be much better leaders than the last couple regimes, but we still are sorely missing those kinds of presences on the actual field.
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Post by giants8493 on Mar 25, 2020 10:14:56 GMT -5
PFF is the only one that says he gave up 2, every where else I have looked says 1; but does that make a difference to either of us? Not likely, 1 or 2 won't sway anyone.
He was #8 in pass breakups, #6 (tied) in TDs allowed, #11 in yards per reception and #10 in passer rating allowed. He just doesn't seem average to me. We also have to account for the fact he was up against Mike Evans (twice), Julio Jones (twice) and Michael Thomas (twice). That is 6 matches against 3 of the best WRs in the league. He also played the Rams (#4 passing attack), Arizona covering Fitzgerald, Houston covering Hopkins and Seattle facing Russell Wilson. Yes he gave up a lot of yards last year but facing this killer schedule, shadowing the #1 WR he still only gave up 1 TD and got 3 INTs.
As for you PFF stats about Martinez, no one cares about PFF and this is why. They rated him "great" in pass coverage and you are good with that. The QB rating when targeting him in 2018 was 118.1. They completed 73% of their passes against him lmao. Yeah great coverage there. Can you find a single person on this site to agree with you that was great coverage?
Like you pointed out though, people can have differing opinions. We shall see next year how these fella's do.
They actually completed 81.5% of the passes against Blake in 2018....44 of 54 targets. I actually agree with you, just watching him on some video (believe his 4 sacks and 15 pressures helped that grade that year)...he's brutal in coverage. Not athletic at all...so many of his tackles are of the clean up type where he is washed well past the LOS, not able to disengage from a block. I can go far more into detail with the stats, but I've seen enough to know he's not athletic and not very good...my eyes are my stats with him. Oh well, the ugly kids is ours now...it is, what it is.... dairylandexpress.com/2019/11/07/green-bay-packers-blake-martinez-era-end/Gotta go local to see what the beat writers and analysts covering the player they see every day have a consensus on, before we blindly say "love it"...and they simply suggest Blake is what we all thought he would be...a small, undersized non athletic linebacker who can't cover, can't shed blocks and only gets tackles well past the LOS. I hate to quote a quote within a quote that so long but a lot of this seems really subjective. Like "alot of his tackles took place down field" I mean what do you want him to do? NOT chase a guy that got past the line of scrimmage? Obviously not all of his tackles are going to be for a loss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 10:35:42 GMT -5
They actually completed 81.5% of the passes against Blake in 2018....44 of 54 targets. I actually agree with you, just watching him on some video (believe his 4 sacks and 15 pressures helped that grade that year)...he's brutal in coverage. Not athletic at all...so many of his tackles are of the clean up type where he is washed well past the LOS, not able to disengage from a block. I can go far more into detail with the stats, but I've seen enough to know he's not athletic and not very good...my eyes are my stats with him. Oh well, the ugly kids is ours now...it is, what it is.... dairylandexpress.com/2019/11/07/green-bay-packers-blake-martinez-era-end/Gotta go local to see what the beat writers and analysts covering the player they see every day have a consensus on, before we blindly say "love it"...and they simply suggest Blake is what we all thought he would be...a small, undersized non athletic linebacker who can't cover, can't shed blocks and only gets tackles well past the LOS. I hate to quote a quote within a quote that so long but a lot of this seems really subjective. Like "alot of his tackles took place down field" I mean what do you want him to do? NOT chase a guy that got past the line of scrimmage? Obviously not all of his tackles are going to be for a loss. Yes, probably too long to read and you might of missed it...I suggest this very aspect, that off ball linebackers get most of the tackles, a lot after failed coverage...and have the highest percentage of passes completed to them, as they generally go into zone coverage...but they still are graded among each other, and Martinez fails to make many tackles at the LOS.... videopress.com/v/EO8YuDmYpackerswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/05/struggling-packers-defense-needs-more-out-of-lb-blake-martinez/Some nice video attached to this link, regarding my concerns ....
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