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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 18:06:10 GMT -5
Ok gents we are heading down to the final stretch before the draft. No workouts, no pro days, just darkness and random videos of Tua throwing the football in his garage to a trash can (I assume).
We went through most of our free agent money and have loaded up on the defense. Most of our money went to Leonard Williams, Bradberry and Martinez making then the highest paid Giants other than Solder. We also added Fackrell and re-signed David Mayo for our LB unit. Things are certainly shaping up. Our biggest holes were LB and OT and we have certainly added some LBs, however we did not add a coverage LB. My thought is that Cam Fleming, career back up with lots of starts and wins for the Cowboys and Pats, will be our stop gap OT in case we don't get a starter this draft, which we certainly will hope for. I think that will come in round 2 though and with the 4th pick in the 2020 NFL draft, the New York Football Giants select...... Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson.
In the end with everything Judge and the staff have said this year about versatility and playing multiple positions and "tell me what he can do, not what he can't" I think this is the direction we go. It's certainly possible Dave Gettlemans "hog molly" love leads us to an OT, but I think the best player available will be Simmons and we will target a hog molly in round 2.
Sorry to disagree with FBomb, although I will stipulate that if he is right and Young is there we would go Young.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 18:12:54 GMT -5
Ok gents we are heading down to the final stretch before the draft. No workouts, no pro days, just darkness and random videos of Tua throwing the football in his garage to a trash can (I assume).
We went through most of our free agent money and have loaded up on the defense. Most of our money went to Leonard Williams, Bradberry and Martinez making then the highest paid Giants other than Solder. We also added Fackrell and re-signed David Mayo for our LB unit. Things are certainly shaping up. Our biggest holes were LB and OT and we have certainly added some LBs, however we did not add a coverage LB. My thought is that Cam Fleming, career back up with lots of starts and wins for the Cowboys and Pats, will be our stop gap OT in case we don't get a starter this draft, which we certainly will hope for. I think that will come in round 2 though and with the 4th pick in the 2020 NFL draft, the New York Football Giants select...... Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson.
In the end with everything Judge and the staff have said this year about versatility and playing multiple positions and "tell me what he can do, not what he can't" I think this is the direction we go. It's certainly possible Dave Gettlemans "hog molly" love leads us to an OT, but I think the best player available will be Simmons and we will target a hog molly in round 2.
Sorry to disagree with FBomb, although I will stipulate that if he is right and Young is there we would go Young.
Which will lead to your next Clemson pick in 2021...Trevor Lawrence Good job Mike....F the Bomb and that Jones pick.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 18:15:56 GMT -5
Ok gents we are heading down to the final stretch before the draft. No workouts, no pro days, just darkness and random videos of Tua throwing the football in his garage to a trash can (I assume).
We went through most of our free agent money and have loaded up on the defense. Most of our money went to Leonard Williams, Bradberry and Martinez making then the highest paid Giants other than Solder. We also added Fackrell and re-signed David Mayo for our LB unit. Things are certainly shaping up. Our biggest holes were LB and OT and we have certainly added some LBs, however we did not add a coverage LB. My thought is that Cam Fleming, career back up with lots of starts and wins for the Cowboys and Pats, will be our stop gap OT in case we don't get a starter this draft, which we certainly will hope for. I think that will come in round 2 though and with the 4th pick in the 2020 NFL draft, the New York Football Giants select...... Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson.
In the end with everything Judge and the staff have said this year about versatility and playing multiple positions and "tell me what he can do, not what he can't" I think this is the direction we go. It's certainly possible Dave Gettlemans "hog molly" love leads us to an OT, but I think the best player available will be Simmons and we will target a hog molly in round 2.
Sorry to disagree with FBomb, although I will stipulate that if he is right and Young is there we would go Young.
Which will lead to your next Clemson pick in 2021...Trevor Lawrence Good job Mike....F the Bomb and that Jones pick. Do you want Gettleman fired? Because that's how you get Gettleman fired!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 18:37:19 GMT -5
Which will lead to your next Clemson pick in 2021...Trevor Lawrence Good job Mike....F the Bomb and that Jones pick. Do you want Gettleman fired? Because that's how you get Gettleman fired! Which will lead to your next Clemson pick in 2021...Trevor Lawrence
Good job Mike....F the Bomb and that Jones pick.
Forgot that Florida thing
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2020 18:45:19 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 19:05:20 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else. You take an OT in round 1 you better come up with a coverage LB in round 2 or somewhere else. Gettleman has a pretty good track record of pulling OL out of thin air. Have faith and don't freak out until we see the product on the field.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 19:25:11 GMT -5
I go with IrishMike on this one. I understand the feelingings on the OT but if Simmons is there we grab him and go OL in round two .The only other scenario I can see is something DG has never ever done and that is trade back for extra picks and all of this is dependant on if Chase Young falls to us (he won't) . I do think the talking heads make too big of a deal about DG never trading back. It's not like he has run 50 drafts and was constantly bombarded with offers. He's only run 7 drafts, I'm sure he would trade back if the right offer is made. I am not sure that offer will come in this draft. I'd rather stay put than take a bad trade. Miami is ideal of course.
I think DG and Judge will agree that taking the best player is our best option and I think Simmons will be that player.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 19:29:08 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else. After the run on Tackles that will happen (like every year when mid 2nd round graded tackles go in the late 1st)between picks 4 and 37... We will be left sitting through the leftovers and for all intents and purposes a ruined draft because we have the opportunity to build the offense tbrough ybe strength of the draft early and set the offense up long term with O line and playmakers early so Jones can develop in a timely manner All because of a boom or bust luxury toy being coveted.... For everyone crying about a coverage linebacker. 1.they can be found throughout the draft,day one starting Tackles cant 2.Who was New England's cover linebacker all these years?
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Post by TEM on Mar 24, 2020 19:39:00 GMT -5
Ok gents we are heading down to the final stretch before the draft. No workouts, no pro days, just darkness and random videos of Tua throwing the football in his garage to a trash can (I assume).
We went through most of our free agent money and have loaded up on the defense. Most of our money went to Leonard Williams, Bradberry and Martinez making then the highest paid Giants other than Solder. We also added Fackrell and re-signed David Mayo for our LB unit. Things are certainly shaping up. Our biggest holes were LB and OT and we have certainly added some LBs, however we did not add a coverage LB. My thought is that Cam Fleming, career back up with lots of starts and wins for the Cowboys and Pats, will be our stop gap OT in case we don't get a starter this draft, which we certainly will hope for. I think that will come in round 2 though and with the 4th pick in the 2020 NFL draft, the New York Football Giants select...... Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson.
In the end with everything Judge and the staff have said this year about versatility and playing multiple positions and "tell me what he can do, not what he can't" I think this is the direction we go. It's certainly possible Dave Gettlemans "hog molly" love leads us to an OT, but I think the best player available will be Simmons and we will target a hog molly in round 2.
Sorry to disagree with FBomb, although I will stipulate that if he is right and Young is there we would go Young.
Test that theory in the mock draft contest.
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Post by Martin on Mar 24, 2020 19:41:01 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else. After the run on Tackles that will happen (like every year when mid 2nd round graded tackles go in the late 1st)between picks 4 and 37... We will be left sitting through the leftovers and for all intents and purposes a ruined draft because we have the opportunity to build the offense tbrough ybe strength of the draft early and set the offense up long term with O line and playmakers early so Jones can develop in a timely manner All because of a boom or bust luxury toy being coveted.... For everyone crying about a coverage linebacker. 1.they can be found throughout the draft,day one starting Tackles cant 2.Who was New England's cover linebacker all these years? As much as I am a huge advocate of getting a cover LB and would love to have Simmons getting a Tackle #1 is the right thing. It helps DJ it helps Barkley the WR's and TE's. Go OT first and then go after a LB second I agree with you. Solidify this Oline.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 19:54:27 GMT -5
As much as I am a huge advocate of getting a cover LB and would love to have Simmons getting a Tackle #1 is the right thing. It helps DJ it helps Barkley the WR's and TE's. Go OT first and then go after a LB second I agree with you. Solidify this Oline. Nothing wrong with going OT in the first round if the player is evaluated to be the better prospect. Now of course OT (like pass rusher) is a premium position, so if the prospect is close then you take him. Will all depend how our guys rate the prospects.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 19:57:15 GMT -5
All because of a boom or bust luxury toy being coveted.... My goodness man, you made such a strong case but then threw it all away with this non-sense. Please let's not act like Simmons is some average player, some workout warrior or some flash in the pan. The kid was the best LB in college football this year. He is great in coverage, he can tackle and he can rush the passer. Wanting an OT is absolutely fine, but you don't have to act like Simmons isn't good to try and make your point, it actually weakens your point.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 19:58:33 GMT -5
Test that theory in the mock draft contest. Sorry TEM my predictive powers end in round 1 lol. Although I am locked away like a leper so I might find some time to give it a shot this year.
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Post by Martin on Mar 24, 2020 20:08:29 GMT -5
As much as I am a huge advocate of getting a cover LB and would love to have Simmons getting a Tackle #1 is the right thing. It helps DJ it helps Barkley the WR's and TE's. Go OT first and then go after a LB second I agree with you. Solidify this Oline. Nothing wrong with going OT in the first round if the player is evaluated to be the better prospect. Now of course OT (like pass rusher) is a premium position, so if the prospect is close then you take him. Will all depend how our guys rate the prospects. Yes it depends on who they see as the BPA. But if they were to get Simmons I won't be crying in my beer.
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Post by TEM on Mar 24, 2020 20:12:24 GMT -5
Test that theory in the mock draft contest. Sorry TEM my predictive powers end in round 1 lol. Although I am locked away like a leper so I might find some time to give it a shot this year. I will add you to the list.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 24, 2020 20:19:28 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with going OT in the first round if the player is evaluated to be the better prospect. Now of course OT (like pass rusher) is a premium position, so if the prospect is close then you take him. Will all depend how our guys rate the prospects. Yes it depends on who they see as the BPA. But if they were to get Simmons I won't be crying in my beer. Absolutely. Very few of the guys we "might" choose will upset me. Honestly I think there are a couple of really outstanding players.
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Post by bluejayc on Mar 24, 2020 20:27:14 GMT -5
It's gotta be an OT unless the Giants can trade back and get both.......wishful thinking on my part. Even if Chase was there at #4 I'd still go OT. The Giants just drafted their franchise QB last year and have their franchise running back going into his third year to strut them out opening day with Gates and Solder protecting the edge is insanity. It just has to be an OT or trade back and two OT's.....just my opinion but I really don't see any scenario they take a LB at #4 or god forbid a CB or WR as some of the "experts" have projected.
Kiper updated his Giants pick to Simmons as well.
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 24, 2020 20:31:44 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else. You take an OT in round 1 you better come up with a coverage LB in round 2 or somewhere else. Gettleman has a pretty good track record of pulling OL out of thin air. Have faith and don't freak out until we see the product on the field. Personally, I have a hunch that Detroit will take Simmons. iIf not , then I can see the Giants taking Simmons. Second round OT , can be Isaiah Wilson, Pearth or Lucas Niang, to play RT. Should the Giants go one of the Big Four,@number four. Then Kyle Dugger ( KD ) is similar size and athleticism, to Simmons, in round two. Personally , I still want a trade back (slightly ).
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 24, 2020 20:41:33 GMT -5
Ok gents we are heading down to the final stretch before the draft. No workouts, no pro days, just darkness and random videos of Tua throwing the football in his garage to a trash can (I assume).
We went through most of our free agent money and have loaded up on the defense. Most of our money went to Leonard Williams, Bradberry and Martinez making then the highest paid Giants other than Solder. We also added Fackrell and re-signed David Mayo for our LB unit. Things are certainly shaping up. Our biggest holes were LB and OT and we have certainly added some LBs, however we did not add a coverage LB. My thought is that Cam Fleming, career back up with lots of starts and wins for the Cowboys and Pats, will be our stop gap OT in case we don't get a starter this draft, which we certainly will hope for. I think that will come in round 2 though and with the 4th pick in the 2020 NFL draft, the New York Football Giants select...... Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson.
In the end with everything Judge and the staff have said this year about versatility and playing multiple positions and "tell me what he can do, not what he can't" I think this is the direction we go. It's certainly possible Dave Gettlemans "hog molly" love leads us to an OT, but I think the best player available will be Simmons and we will target a hog molly in round 2.
Sorry to disagree with FBomb, although I will stipulate that if he is right and Young is there we would go Young.
You’re one of the better minds posting on this board. You have good insight and treat people with respect. I follow your line of thinking and understand the need. With that said - after the fab 4 there is a obvious drop off in OT stable. Too many question marks with the round 2 possibilities. I think we’re taking Thomas in round 1. WE HAVE TO PROTECT DJ BETTER. Simmons - could be a huge mistake if we pass on him - he has a lot of tools. He also had some pretty big question marks. Is he good at everything and great at nothing? Why does he consistently take poor angles to the ball carrier? If he struggled shedding blocks at the college level how is he gonna handle better blockers in the NFL? We’ll see - if we take him I’ll SMH but hope he is a great pick. Me being wrong doesn’t bother me.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2020 22:06:29 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else. After the run on Tackles that will happen (like every year when mid 2nd round graded tackles go in the late 1st)between picks 4 and 37... We will be left sitting through the leftovers and for all intents and purposes a ruined draft because we have the opportunity to build the offense tbrough ybe strength of the draft early and set the offense up long term with O line and playmakers early so Jones can develop in a timely manner All because of a boom or bust luxury toy being coveted.... For everyone crying about a coverage linebacker. 1.they can be found throughout the draft,day one starting Tackles cant 2.Who was New England's cover linebacker all these years? I agree with all of that, but it's the Giants who love Simmons. For what its worth, I've seen him mocked to us more than any other player. I think fans have to entertain the possibility. You don't think they would take Young if he's there? There has to be a contingency plan for LT.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 22:11:06 GMT -5
After the run on Tackles that will happen (like every year when mid 2nd round graded tackles go in the late 1st)between picks 4 and 37... We will be left sitting through the leftovers and for all intents and purposes a ruined draft because we have the opportunity to build the offense tbrough ybe strength of the draft early and set the offense up long term with O line and playmakers early so Jones can develop in a timely manner All because of a boom or bust luxury toy being coveted.... For everyone crying about a coverage linebacker. 1.they can be found throughout the draft,day one starting Tackles cant 2.Who was New England's cover linebacker all these years? I agree with all of that, but it's the Giants who love Simmons. For what its worth, I've seen him mocked to us more than any other player. I think fans have to entertain the possibility. You don't think they would take Young if he's there? There has to be a contingency plan for LT. Young is the only guy on defense I take... The contingency plan for T is hope and prayers of we go elsewhere and I'm not lying
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2020 22:15:23 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else. You take an OT in round 1 you better come up with a coverage LB in round 2 or somewhere else. Gettleman has a pretty good track record of pulling OL out of thin air. Have faith and don't freak out until we see the product on the field. It's not the same comparison. The cover LB you can exist without, the LT you can't. I'm ok with Simmons, but you don't just pull starting LT's out of thin air.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 24, 2020 22:18:10 GMT -5
I know zero about the current OT prospects in the draft, but their success rate is not good. I would much rather take a good D player than an iffy O player at 4. It's always easier to attack than defend.
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Post by giants38 on Mar 24, 2020 22:22:46 GMT -5
Same old, same old. OL can always be found after round one.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2020 22:22:47 GMT -5
I know zero about the current OT prospects in the draft, but their success rate is not good. I would much rather take a good D player than an iffy O player at 4. It's always easier to attack than defend. You don't need great LT's to win, you do need great players on defense.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 22:22:54 GMT -5
I know zero about the current OT prospects in the draft, but their success rate is not good. I would much rather take a good D player than an iffy O player at 4. It's always easier to attack than defend. Simmons is much higher risk than anyone except maybe Tua because way too many warts on film Bad instincts at time Can't get off of blocks.. Way too boom or bust Young is the only guy on defense I want early... I watched Thomas and Wirfs quite a bit and they are already better than what we have had at RT since McKenzie Wills looks like an NFL starter already Even Becton has decent starter as a rookie technique...
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 22:25:33 GMT -5
I know zero about the current OT prospects in the draft, but their success rate is not good. I would much rather take a good D player than an iffy O player at 4. It's always easier to attack than defend. You don't need great LT's to win, you do need great players on defense. Right now we have as our starting tackles Barely functional A black hole Any of these 4 taken is a drastic improvement at one of the spots day 1
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2020 22:29:42 GMT -5
I know zero about the current OT prospects in the draft, but their success rate is not good. I would much rather take a good D player than an iffy O player at 4. It's always easier to attack than defend. Simmons is much higher risk than anyone except maybe Tua because way too many warts on film Bad instincts at time Can't get off of blocks.. Way too boom or bust Young is the only guy on defense I want early... I watched Thomas and Wirfs quite a bit and they are already better than what we have had at RT since McKenzie Wills looks like an NFL starter already Even Becton has decent starter as a rookie technique... This is really the question. But alot of people think he's going to be great. As far as the OT's, I don't see how any of these players are going to be an immediate upgrade if they're not starting right away at LT? Solder has been outright dangerous to Jones's career, I don't know how he an be an option at all on the left side.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 24, 2020 22:31:31 GMT -5
I know zero about the current OT prospects in the draft, but their success rate is not good. I would much rather take a good D player than an iffy O player at 4. It's always easier to attack than defend. You don't need great LT's to win, you do need great players on defense. I agree. Great offenses win during the season. Great defenses win in the post season. You have to get there, but I still think D is more important than O.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 22:33:09 GMT -5
Simmons is much higher risk than anyone except maybe Tua because way too many warts on film Bad instincts at time Can't get off of blocks.. Way too boom or bust Young is the only guy on defense I want early... I watched Thomas and Wirfs quite a bit and they are already better than what we have had at RT since McKenzie Wills looks like an NFL starter already Even Becton has decent starter as a rookie technique... This is really the question. But alot of people think he's going to be great. As far as the OT's, I don't see how any of these players are going to be an immediate upgrade if they're not starting right away at LT? Solder has been outright dangerous to Jones's career, I don't know how he an be an option at all on the left side. 90% of highly drafted tackles start off on the right side..not to mention pass rushers move around to find the weak link Lawrence has owned anyone in front of him against us ...I'd rather the rookie be there ...
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