|
Post by lexington11 on Mar 24, 2020 22:34:02 GMT -5
Ok gents we are heading down to the final stretch before the draft. No workouts, no pro days, just darkness and random videos of Tua throwing the football in his garage to a trash can (I assume).
We went through most of our free agent money and have loaded up on the defense. Most of our money went to Leonard Williams, Bradberry and Martinez making then the highest paid Giants other than Solder. We also added Fackrell and re-signed David Mayo for our LB unit. Things are certainly shaping up. Our biggest holes were LB and OT and we have certainly added some LBs, however we did not add a coverage LB. My thought is that Cam Fleming, career back up with lots of starts and wins for the Cowboys and Pats, will be our stop gap OT in case we don't get a starter this draft, which we certainly will hope for. I think that will come in round 2 though and with the 4th pick in the 2020 NFL draft, the New York Football Giants select...... Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson.
In the end with everything Judge and the staff have said this year about versatility and playing multiple positions and "tell me what he can do, not what he can't" I think this is the direction we go. It's certainly possible Dave Gettlemans "hog molly" love leads us to an OT, but I think the best player available will be Simmons and we will target a hog molly in round 2.
Sorry to disagree with FBomb, although I will stipulate that if he is right and Young is there we would go Young.
I think they will not be able to resist simmons versatility as a game changing defender. They might gamble that one of bartch, niang, or peart are there in the 2nd/3rd. They could pass on him and take an OT and hope that one of queen/delpit/baun/gross matos are there in the 2nd. As far as young goes, anybody with half a brain will tell you that if young drops he is the pick. scenarios of that happening have been all over the internet. on a side note, there are a few guys in the later rounds that could be good secondary Oline picks. scott frantz, solomon kindley, and yasir durant being three of them. I will say this, if young does drop I think the draft philosophy shifts to defense the first few rounds because there will be some studs available. young, delpit, robertson 1,2,3 would be insane.
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 22:41:14 GMT -5
You don't need great LT's to win, you do need great players on defense. I agree. Great offenses win during the season. Great defenses win in the post season. You have to get there, but I still think D is more important than O. You need both equally You need the firepower to possibly win a shootout if the defense fails and /or you end up in a huge deficit early... You need the defense obviously to stop teams from scoring And a good offense can help a defense Look what KC did the last 2 games of their run They imposed their will on 2 teams with the threat of nuking them with their weapons by actually slowing the game down,shortening it,cutting down possessions by playing underneath ball contol/running it.. What this did was stress the other team's offense seeing them score at will and slowing it down because they knew they had limited possessions and had to keep serve.. Did the same thing to San Fran... So my thing is you build a.great O line,get one more dynamic WR opposite Slayton.. Teams now have to fear the outside weapons and they are now vunerable to Barkley and the underneath game So this helps the defense even if it's just functional until it can get reinforced next year ..
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 0:27:04 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else. You take an OT in round 1 you better come up with a coverage LB in round 2 or somewhere else. Gettleman has a pretty good track record of pulling OL out of thin air. Have faith and don't freak out until we see the product on the field.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 0:36:45 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else. After the run on Tackles that will happen (like every year when mid 2nd round graded tackles go in the late 1st)between picks 4 and 37... We will be left sitting through the leftovers and for all intents and purposes a ruined draft because we have the opportunity to build the offense tbrough ybe strength of the draft early and set the offense up long term with O line and playmakers early so Jones can develop in a timely manner All because of a boom or bust luxury toy being coveted.... For everyone crying about a coverage linebacker. 1.they can be found throughout the draft,day one starting Tackles cant2.Who was New England's cover linebacker all these years? In reality...this is all that needs to be said for argument won But, I will add in the fact we have a need of 2 tackles and a center...and we do have a nice supply of them in the draft...and our fearless leader Gettleman admitted he missed out on that need last years draft as he found all the tackles he wanted, taken. I guess people feel if Jones lays the ball on the grass every game again, or finally gets hurt with Solder and whomever playing RT... we shall win with the great tweener Simmons and our incredible defense of.... if we're lucky, overpaid average and underachieving youth.
|
|
|
Post by JoeBigBlue on Mar 25, 2020 6:28:37 GMT -5
However it's done, the OL better get fixed this draft.
If it's not I've lost all faith in the FO.
|
|
|
Post by Fletch842 on Mar 25, 2020 6:58:25 GMT -5
Personally, I rate Thomas above Simmons, and would take him at 4 without thinking twice about it (I would take Young over anyone in this draft but really don't think he will be there). That being said, if the Giants take Simmons, I'll be excited to see how much he can bring to a defense that needs all the help they can get. I consider him a boom and bust player. Makes some amazing plays, and totally blows others. Kinda reminds me of Jack Rabbit in that respect.
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Mar 25, 2020 7:26:01 GMT -5
After the run on Tackles that will happen (like every year when mid 2nd round graded tackles go in the late 1st)between picks 4 and 37... We will be left sitting through the leftovers and for all intents and purposes a ruined draft because we have the opportunity to build the offense tbrough ybe strength of the draft early and set the offense up long term with O line and playmakers early so Jones can develop in a timely manner All because of a boom or bust luxury toy being coveted.... For everyone crying about a coverage linebacker. 1.they can be found throughout the draft,day one starting Tackles cant2.Who was New England's cover linebacker all these years? In reality...this is all that needs to be said for argument won But, I will add in the fact we have a need of 2 tackles and a center...and we do have a nice supply of them in the draft...and our fearless leader Gettleman admitted he missed out on that need last years draft as he found all the tackles he wanted, taken. I guess people feel if Jones lays the ball on the grass every game again, or finally gets hurt with Solder and whomever playing RT... we shall win with the great tweener Simmons and our incredible defense of.... if we're lucky, overpaid average and underachieving youth. Do you have the tackles rated higher than Simmons?
|
|
|
Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 7:46:25 GMT -5
However it's done, the OL better get fixed this draft. If it's not I've lost all faith in the FO. "Its a process. It takes time. Rome wasnt built in a day." .... ITS BEEN YEARS! WE need to get the OL right or we can expect to be picking top 5 every year.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 8:55:56 GMT -5
In reality...this is all that needs to be said for argument won But, I will add in the fact we have a need of 2 tackles and a center...and we do have a nice supply of them in the draft...and our fearless leader Gettleman admitted he missed out on that need last years draft as he found all the tackles he wanted, taken. I guess people feel if Jones lays the ball on the grass every game again, or finally gets hurt with Solder and whomever playing RT... we shall win with the great tweener Simmons and our incredible defense of.... if we're lucky, overpaid average and underachieving youth. Do you have the tackles rated higher than Simmons? Do you?
|
|
|
Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 9:12:44 GMT -5
I was one of the early ones back in the college season that was loving Simmons. But that was when I was thinking we were picking 7-8-9...
At 4, we could get a legit LT for the foreseeable future.
Its not fun drafting OL, but it is a key ingredient to a successful offense.
|
|
|
Post by infinite420 on Mar 25, 2020 9:25:44 GMT -5
You take Simmons you better come up with an OT in round 2 or somewhere else. After the run on Tackles that will happen (like every year when mid 2nd round graded tackles go in the late 1st)between picks 4 and 37... We will be left sitting through the leftovers and for all intents and purposes a ruined draft because we have the opportunity to build the offense tbrough ybe strength of the draft early and set the offense up long term with O line and playmakers early so Jones can develop in a timely manner All because of a boom or bust luxury toy being coveted.... For everyone crying about a coverage linebacker. 1.they can be found throughout the draft,day one starting Tackles cant 2.Who was New England's cover linebacker all these years? It's my belief that linebacker and safety are the two least important positions on the field. Weve won SBs with the Kawika Mitchells and Gerris Wilkersons of the world at LB, and with guys like Deon Grant and James Butler at safety. Bolster the pass rush and CB positions, everything else falls in place on D. Taking a LB/S with pick 4 would be idiotic beyond belief.
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Mar 25, 2020 9:29:40 GMT -5
Do you have the tackles rated higher than Simmons? Do you? I admittedly don't have the knowledge or the time to rate college players. If I have a strong view on a college player, it is usually because he plays for a team that I follow (Michigan, Wisconsin), so I've actually watched a lot of his games. I was just curious, because it seems to me that there isn't a Joe Thomas in this draft. Two of the OT's (Wills and Wirfs) play RT and one will seemingly require some time to develop fully (Becton). Very few have the 4th (Thomas) being drafted in the top 5. So it seems to me that it's entirely possible that a team could have Simmons rated higher than the OT's. If that's the case, I am in favor or going with the highest rated player. I agree with you that OT is a huge need, but couldn't we get by drafting a RT in the second this year (Isaiah Wilson? Prince Tega Wanagho?) and then replacing Solder at LT next year? A lot of ways to skin a cat ….
|
|
|
Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 9:38:10 GMT -5
I admittedly don't have the knowledge or the time to rate college players. If I have a strong view on a college player, it is usually because he plays for a team that I follow (Michigan, Wisconsin), so I've actually watched a lot of his games. I was just curious, because it seems to me that there isn't a Joe Thomas in this draft. Two of the OT's (Wills and Wirfs) play RT and one will seemingly require some time to develop fully (Becton). Very few have the 4th (Thomas) being drafted in the top 5.So it seems to me that it's entirely possible that a team could have Simmons rated higher than the OT's. If that's the case, I am in favor or going with the highest rated player. I agree with you that OT is a huge need, but couldn't we get by drafting a RT in the second this year (Isaiah Wilson? Prince Tega Wanagho?) and then replacing Solder at LT next year? A lot of ways to skin a cat …. Ive watched Thomas a lot this past year. I have no understanding on why he isnt being projected higher. He dominated most games. He was nasty. At LT in the SEC going against some of the best pass rushers in college. He is my #1 LT for sure. I havent seen the others as much, but Ive seen Wirfs on a lot of youtube game film post the season, and I like what ive seen. Im always weary of an Alabama OLman, much like a Patriots Olineman. Becton is a big strong monster who is really raw and if he does pan out will take a while to happen. Obviously my opinions could be wrong, but on average, so are the real TV analysts who make these mocks and evaluations.
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Mar 25, 2020 9:38:17 GMT -5
You don't need great LT's to win, you do need great players on defense. I agree. Great offenses win during the season. Great defenses win in the post season. You have to get there, but I still think D is more important than O. I have to stick by my view that Joe Judge is getting the players he wants. If I felt Dave had the final call, I would say it would be one of the OT's. But I do believe that this is Joe's team and I think that means that Simmons is the guy. He will be the best player on the board when we pick.
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Mar 25, 2020 9:44:46 GMT -5
I admittedly don't have the knowledge or the time to rate college players. If I have a strong view on a college player, it is usually because he plays for a team that I follow (Michigan, Wisconsin), so I've actually watched a lot of his games. I was just curious, because it seems to me that there isn't a Joe Thomas in this draft. Two of the OT's (Wills and Wirfs) play RT and one will seemingly require some time to develop fully (Becton). Very few have the 4th (Thomas) being drafted in the top 5.So it seems to me that it's entirely possible that a team could have Simmons rated higher than the OT's. If that's the case, I am in favor or going with the highest rated player. I agree with you that OT is a huge need, but couldn't we get by drafting a RT in the second this year (Isaiah Wilson? Prince Tega Wanagho?) and then replacing Solder at LT next year? A lot of ways to skin a cat …. Ive watched Thomas a lot this past year. I have no understanding on why he isnt being projected higher. He dominated most games. He was nasty. At LT in the SEC going against some of the best pass rushers in college. He is my #1 LT for sure. I havent seen the others as much, but Ive seen Wirfs on a lot of youtube game film post the season, and I like what ive seen. Im always weary of an Alabama OLman, much like a Patriots Olineman. Becton is a big strong monster who is really raw and if he does pan out will take a while to happen. Obviously my opinions could be wrong, but on average, so are the real TV analysts who make these mocks and evaluations. I actually watched a couple of Georgia games this year and liked what I saw from Thomas (not a big enough sample size though). Drafting OT also has one significant advantage over drafting Simmons … I believe that we can trade down and acquire more picks and still get one of the top 4 OT's. If Simmons is "the guy", not sure that we can trade back and still get him. So the choice could be, do you want Simmons or Thomas/Wills/Wirfs/Becton + extra picks?
|
|
|
Post by Jomo on Mar 25, 2020 9:46:24 GMT -5
However it's done, the OL better get fixed this draft. If it's not I've lost all faith in the FO. Eight or nine years into rebuilding the OL, we seems to be only half way done...…….inexplicably.
|
|
|
Post by JoeBigBlue on Mar 25, 2020 9:47:18 GMT -5
So the choice could be, do you want Simmons or Thomas/Wills/Wirfs/Becton + extra picks? I vote for the latter.
|
|
|
Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 9:49:57 GMT -5
I agree. Great offenses win during the season. Great defenses win in the post season. You have to get there, but I still think D is more important than O. I have to stick by my view that Joe Judge is getting the players he wants. If I felt Dave had the final call, I would say it would be one of the OT's. But I do believe that this is Joe's team and I think that means that Simmons is the guy. He will be the best player on the board when we pick.
How do you know anything about how Judge will pick players? If he is even picking the players.... He is a complete wildcard. I think DG was getting hog mollies later in the draft at Carolina and going with the flashy player early. 4 1st round picks here and 0 OLinemen. 5 first rounders in Carolina, 0 OLinemen. In total in first rounds, DG has drafted: 3 DTs (14th, 17th, 30th) 2 RBs (2nd, 8th) 1 LB (25th), QB (6th), WR (28th), CB (30th) 0 Olinemen
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 9:50:32 GMT -5
I admittedly don't have the knowledge or the time to rate college players. If I have a strong view on a college player, it is usually because he plays for a team that I follow (Michigan, Wisconsin), so I've actually watched a lot of his games. I was just curious, because it seems to me that there isn't a Joe Thomas in this draft. Two of the OT's (Wills and Wirfs) play RT and one will seemingly require some time to develop fully (Becton). Very few have the 4th (Thomas) being drafted in the top 5. So it seems to me that it's entirely possible that a team could have Simmons rated higher than the OT's. If that's the case, I am in favor or going with the highest rated player. I agree with you that OT is a huge need, but couldn't we get by drafting a RT in the second this year (Isaiah Wilson? Prince Tega Wanagho?) and then replacing Solder at LT next year? A lot of ways to skin a cat …. I don't think, IMHO, we are drafting a right tackle, and doing what we did last year, awaiting for value and losing all available tackles, from potential swing to potential all pro ...we're going to draft a left tackle, or a tackle with the ability to play LT... that, due to DG's wise double tapping into idiocy, we're still stuck with a major hull leak called Solder... and that left tackle starts on the right side. Wilson is a mountain, but he's never going to play LT in the NFL...not athletic enough, and the Prince is probably going to be kicked inside at some point due to his short arms...and is very raw, and both could be reached for, as most OT's are done every year. BPA is not how we are going...no team ever does BPA unless they are stacked and in the playoffs each year. When you draft top ten every year, you draft need as well as value...why draft a RB at 2?...then a pick 6 QB?...and then after they both have seasons that were poor to fumbling average...not follow up with the reasons running backs are a dime a dozen and can't bounce everything outside, and that rookie franchise QB having issues in a pocket, by getting the guys who create these guys...the blockers...the OL...the LOS winners? I can see a slight trade down, and drafting TWO tackles...that's how weak we are at that position.
|
|
|
Post by Jomo on Mar 25, 2020 9:51:08 GMT -5
So the choice could be, do you want Simmons or Thomas/Wills/Wirfs/Becton + extra picks? I vote for the latter. Me too
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Mar 25, 2020 9:55:24 GMT -5
I have to stick by my view that Joe Judge is getting the players he wants. If I felt Dave had the final call, I would say it would be one of the OT's. But I do believe that this is Joe's team and I think that means that Simmons is the guy. He will be the best player on the board when we pick.
How do you know anything about how Judge will pick players? If he is even picking the players.... He is a complete wildcard. I think DG was getting hog mollies later in the draft at Carolina and going with the flashy player early. 4 1st round picks here and 0 OLinemen. 5 first rounders in Carolina, 0 OLinemen. In total in first rounds, DG has drafted: 3 DTs (14th, 17th, 30th) 2 RBs (2nd, 8th) 1 LB (25th), QB (6th), WR (28th), CB (30th) 0 Olinemen I don't. But I believe in Joe a heck of a lot more than I do Dave. I think Simmons is the best player we'll have access to. The possible exception would be Becton, who has huge upside.
And that review of Dave's 1st round picks is discouraging. Until he picked Jones, not a single premier position (QB, OT, pass rusher, cover corner) in RD 1.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 10:02:56 GMT -5
Ive watched Thomas a lot this past year. I have no understanding on why he isnt being projected higher. He dominated most games. He was nasty. At LT in the SEC going against some of the best pass rushers in college. He is my #1 LT for sure. I havent seen the others as much, but Ive seen Wirfs on a lot of youtube game film post the season, and I like what ive seen. Im always weary of an Alabama OLman, much like a Patriots Olineman. Becton is a big strong monster who is really raw and if he does pan out will take a while to happen. Obviously my opinions could be wrong, but on average, so are the real TV analysts who make these mocks and evaluations. I actually watched a couple of Georgia games this year and liked what I saw from Thomas (not a big enough sample size though). Drafting OT also has one significant advantage over drafting Simmons … I believe that we can trade down and acquire more picks and still get one of the top 4 OT's. If Simmons is "the guy", not sure that we can trade back and still get him. So the choice could be, do you want Simmons or Thomas/Wills/Wirfs/Becton + extra picks? Don't even need to trade back for that choice...and I have them rated exactly as you listed them. But, to trade back and still get a OT, and then a WR...then zone blocking center....and another OT...and a cover backer or a Muti just for BPA purposes? Hell yeah.
|
|
|
Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 10:06:41 GMT -5
How do you know anything about how Judge will pick players? If he is even picking the players.... He is a complete wildcard. I think DG was getting hog mollies later in the draft at Carolina and going with the flashy player early. 4 1st round picks here and 0 OLinemen. 5 first rounders in Carolina, 0 OLinemen. In total in first rounds, DG has drafted: 3 DTs (14th, 17th, 30th) 2 RBs (2nd, 8th) 1 LB (25th), QB (6th), WR (28th), CB (30th) 0 Olinemen I don't. But I believe in Joe a heck of a lot more than I do Dave. I think Simmons is the best player we'll have access to. The possible exception would be Becton, who has huge upside.
And that review of Dave's 1st round picks is discouraging. Until he picked Jones, not a single premier position (QB, OT, pass rusher, cover corner) in RD 1.
Im ok with trench picks in the 1st round, the DTs. And he picked Baker at 30 which I was 100% ok with. The RBs that early is what is discouraging to me. To me it says he thinks the RB is a position of need more than almost any other position. As I said, DG likes flash in the 1st round from his history, not meat and potatoes.
|
|
|
Post by Roswell on Mar 25, 2020 10:17:42 GMT -5
If no trade back....
Round 1. Best OT on the board Round 2. Best C on the board Round 3. Best Edge on the board
They need to stop messing around.
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on Mar 25, 2020 10:19:58 GMT -5
I actually watched a couple of Georgia games this year and liked what I saw from Thomas (not a big enough sample size though). Drafting OT also has one significant advantage over drafting Simmons … I believe that we can trade down and acquire more picks and still get one of the top 4 OT's. If Simmons is "the guy", not sure that we can trade back and still get him. So the choice could be, do you want Simmons or Thomas/Wills/Wirfs/Becton + extra picks? Don't even need to trade back for that choice...and I have them rated exactly as you listed them. But, to trade back and still get a OT, and then a WR...then zone blocking center....and another OT...and a cover backer or a Muti just for BPA purposes? Hell yeah. Same page Set the entire offense up with a very young core on rookie contracts for a while to grow together as a unit and possibly even be dynamic this year(improve the line to just average with Barkley,Slayton and another dynamic weapon,Smith and Engram)with a n improved functional defense with fundamentally sound vets added to a young core. Too much sense Then go 100% balls out on the defense in a year with a nice classes supposedly if defensive prospects .... Team building 101 Build according to value of draft and draft depth Give me a shot of Jack with my beer please
|
|
|
Post by Bigjeep on Mar 25, 2020 10:21:48 GMT -5
I go with IrishMike on this one. I understand the feelingings on the OT but if Simmons is there we grab him and go OL in round two .The only other scenario I can see is something DG has never ever done and that is trade back for extra picks and all of this is dependant on if Chase Young falls to us (he won't) .
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on Mar 25, 2020 10:24:36 GMT -5
If no trade back.... Round 1. Best OT on the board Round 2. Best C on the board Round 3. Best Edge on the board They need to stop messing around. Can't be rigid like this with a player assigned to a round because this is how you reach... I love your idea and in theory the 1st 2 rounds works (fab 4 OT will be there at our first pick and I would allow for a slight reach if needed for Cushenburry in the 2and But who knows what's going to be there at 99.... if anything probably WR or MLB (or even someone to bolster the secondary like a slot corner)will be the best value ..because the edge rushers could be picked bare... No trade back probably means we dont adress a need (except WR where there is sick talent till early day 3 or slot corner)because of that gap unfortunately And I'd rather get the line fixed
|
|
|
Post by TCHOF on Mar 25, 2020 10:38:14 GMT -5
I admittedly don't have the knowledge or the time to rate college players. If I have a strong view on a college player, it is usually because he plays for a team that I follow (Michigan, Wisconsin), so I've actually watched a lot of his games. I was just curious, because it seems to me that there isn't a Joe Thomas in this draft. Two of the OT's (Wills and Wirfs) play RT and one will seemingly require some time to develop fully (Becton). Very few have the 4th (Thomas) being drafted in the top 5. So it seems to me that it's entirely possible that a team could have Simmons rated higher than the OT's. If that's the case, I am in favor or going with the highest rated player. I agree with you that OT is a huge need, but couldn't we get by drafting a RT in the second this year (Isaiah Wilson? Prince Tega Wanagho?) and then replacing Solder at LT next year? A lot of ways to skin a cat …. I don't think, IMHO, we are drafting a right tackle, and doing what we did last year, awaiting for value and losing all available tackles, from potential swing to potential all pro ...we're going to draft a left tackle, or a tackle with the ability to play LT... that, due to DG's wise double tapping into idiocy, we're still stuck with a major hull leak called Solder... and that left tackle starts on the right side. Wilson is a mountain, but he's never going to play LT in the NFL...not athletic enough, and the Prince is probably going to be kicked inside at some point due to his short arms...and is very raw, and both could be reached for, as most OT's are done every year. BPA is not how we are going...no team ever does BPA unless they are stacked and in the playoffs each year. When you draft top ten every year, you draft need as well as value...why draft a RB at 2?...then a pick 6 QB?...and then after they both have seasons that were poor to fumbling average...not follow up with the reasons running backs are a dime a dozen and can't bounce everything outside, and that rookie franchise QB having issues in a pocket, by getting the guys who create these guys...the blockers...the OL...the LOS winners? I can see a slight trade down, and drafting TWO tackles...that's how weak we are at that position. So you would take an OT even if the team has Simmons rated higher?
|
|
|
Post by Roswell on Mar 25, 2020 10:39:51 GMT -5
If no trade back.... Round 1. Best OT on the board Round 2. Best C on the board Round 3. Best Edge on the board They need to stop messing around. Can't be rigid like this with a player assigned to a round because this is how you reach... I love your idea and in theory the 1st 2 rounds works (fab 4 OT will be there at our first pick and I would allow for a slight reach if needed for Cushenburry in the 2and But who knows what's going to be there at 99.... if anything probably WR or MLB (or even someone to bolster the secondary like a slot corner)will be the best value ..because the edge rushers could be picked bare... No trade back probably means we dont adress a need (except WR where there is sick talent till early day 3 or slot corner)because of that gap unfortunately And I'd rather get the line fixed First two rounds, it’s reasonable to assume value and need will be in synch. Third round, you’re absolutely right, need doesn’t win out over value. So you might get that WR you’ve been asking for. Of course, for my money, Young would be the pick if he’s there and still can see a viable scenario where that happens. But I’m an optimistic guy.
|
|
|
Post by Morehead State on Mar 25, 2020 10:43:49 GMT -5
I don't. But I believe in Joe a heck of a lot more than I do Dave. I think Simmons is the best player we'll have access to. The possible exception would be Becton, who has huge upside.
And that review of Dave's 1st round picks is discouraging. Until he picked Jones, not a single premier position (QB, OT, pass rusher, cover corner) in RD 1.
Im ok with trench picks in the 1st round, the DTs. And he picked Baker at 30 which I was 100% ok with. The RBs that early is what is discouraging to me. To me it says he thinks the RB is a position of need more than almost any other position. As I said, DG likes flash in the 1st round from his history, not meat and potatoes. The RB's ARE discouraging.
Look at how many games those two RB's have won in their careers.
RB's DON'T IMPACT WINS LIKE MANY OTHER POSITIONS DO.
It's just the way it is. Saquan and McCaffrey have put up great numbers. But they simply don't impact wins.
|
|