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Post by boxcarwillie on Mar 24, 2020 19:07:55 GMT -5
So many changes: Judge, Garrett and the rest of the new coaches. Jack Rabbit gone. Bradberry, Martinez, Fackrel, Toilolo, Lewis, Coleman and Colt McCoy coming to town
Draft on the way. etc, etc
Wow, wonder if we will finally show some real improvement this year.
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Post by ocgiant on Mar 24, 2020 19:58:03 GMT -5
New players, new coaches the Giant now on the 3rd reset in a short period of time
Challenge will be for players and coaches to mesh together quickly and become and be a better team this season with more wins
Not easy
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Post by alw10 on Mar 24, 2020 21:07:57 GMT -5
I don’t know why exactly, but I’m feel a little more optimism this year that we’re on the right track. Maybe it’s the pedigree of the coaching staff or the fact I believe we have a good base of young talent to build a team around, but I feel like there’s a lot to be excited for. Imagine if we added (in no particular order) a stud WR1, a solid coverage LB, one of the fab 4 OT’s, and a beast Safety. And then somehow find a hidden gem of a Center. Of course a dominant Pass Rusher would be nice too.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Mar 24, 2020 21:18:43 GMT -5
So many changes: Judge, Garrett and the rest of the new coaches. Jack Rabbit gone. Bradberry, Martinez, Fackrel, Toilolo, Lewis, Coleman and Colt McCoy coming to town Draft on the way. etc, etc Wow, wonder if we will finally show some real improvement this year. I say 5 wins unless we getting great OL play and the defense isn’t bottom of the league.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 24, 2020 21:24:09 GMT -5
So many changes: Judge, Garrett and the rest of the new coaches. Jack Rabbit gone. Bradberry, Martinez, Fackrel, Toilolo, Lewis, Coleman and Colt McCoy coming to town Draft on the way. etc, etc Wow, wonder if we will finally show some real improvement this year. I say 5 wins unless we getting great OL play and the defense isn’t bottom of the league. Clearly you aren’t ruminating hard enough.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 24, 2020 21:27:13 GMT -5
Fix the OL and the pass rush and you will get your improvement. As is always the case.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Mar 24, 2020 21:29:09 GMT -5
I say 5 wins unless we getting great OL play and the defense isn’t bottom of the league. Clearly you aren’t ruminating hard enough. For some reason the song by crowded house don’t dream it’s over just came to mind...lol
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Post by ocgiant on Mar 24, 2020 21:44:54 GMT -5
Giants need to win the first game of the season for a modicum of excitement towards a potentially winning season
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 24, 2020 22:05:37 GMT -5
So many changes: Judge, Garrett and the rest of the new coaches. Jack Rabbit gone. Bradberry, Martinez, Fackrel, Toilolo, Lewis, Coleman and Colt McCoy coming to town Draft on the way. etc, etc Wow, wonder if we will finally show some real improvement this year. I liked your old school word "ruminating." To me, it was a word that meant being thoughtful; thinking before acting (or posting). But if you google that word, aside from cows chewing their cud, the results are almost all psychological: Rumination: A Problem in Anxiety and Depression www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/depression-management-techniques/201604/rumination-problem-in-anxiety-and-depressionI never knew I was that ****ed up while I was ruminating!
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2020 22:14:52 GMT -5
Giants need to win the first game of the season for a modicum of excitement towards a potentially winning season Which means we need to be scheduled against the Redskins and not be the Washington Generals to Dallas again
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 0:55:56 GMT -5
I say 5 wins unless we getting great OL play and the defense isn’t bottom of the league. Clearly you aren’t ruminating hard enough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 1:02:38 GMT -5
Fix the OL and the pass rush and you will get your improvement. As is always the case. It is kind of simple...yet, every year we fail to fix the OL, and the best we can do for a pass rush being Bettcher and his go to system guy, Golden and 10 uninspiring sacks. Well, I'm seeing the cure with 5 early first day tackles...with another 2 or so probably reached for before we get to our second round pick....can't mess this year up...people seem to forget, a 2nd year fumbler named Jones is the franchise.
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Post by TEM on Mar 25, 2020 4:24:26 GMT -5
Fix the OL and the pass rush and you will get your improvement. As is always the case. It is kind of simple...yet, every year we fail to fix the OL, and the best we can do for a pass rush being Bettcher and his go to system guy, Golden and 10 uninspiring sacks. Well, I'm seeing the cure with 5 early first day tackles...with another 2 or so probably reached for before we get to our second round pick....can't mess this year up...people seem to forget, a 2nd year fumbler named Jones is the franchise. And the GM's legacy pick.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 25, 2020 5:33:58 GMT -5
So many changes: Judge, Garrett and the rest of the new coaches. Jack Rabbit gone. Bradberry, Martinez, Fackrel, Toilolo, Lewis, Coleman and Colt McCoy coming to town Draft on the way. etc, etc Wow, wonder if we will finally show some real improvement this year. I say 5 wins unless we getting great OL play and the defense isn’t bottom of the league. Way to go out on a limb ... lol
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 6:11:56 GMT -5
It is kind of simple...yet, every year we fail to fix the OL, and the best we can do for a pass rush being Bettcher and his go to system guy, Golden and 10 uninspiring sacks. Well, I'm seeing the cure with 5 early first day tackles...with another 2 or so probably reached for before we get to our second round pick....can't mess this year up...people seem to forget, a 2nd year fumbler named Jones is the franchise. And the GM's legacy pick. I still think he is more tied to the Saquon pick than anything. He either set the franchise back or propelled us forward with that pick. He put all his marbles in on a RB solving evrrything at #2. Jones is the QB Shurmur wanted, as DG even said, while DG is still tied to though because he went along with it.
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Post by TEM on Mar 25, 2020 6:17:25 GMT -5
And the GM's legacy pick. I still think he is more tied to the Saquon pick than anything. He either set the franchise back or propelled us forward with that pick. He put all his marbles in on a RB solving evrrything at #2. Jones is the QB Shurmur wanted, as DG even said, while DG is still tied to though because he went along with it. I disagree all QBs are tied to their GM. Just look at who is the 2nd one behind the lectern after the game. HC is first . QB is 2nd.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 6:28:52 GMT -5
I still think he is more tied to the Saquon pick than anything. He either set the franchise back or propelled us forward with that pick. He put all his marbles in on a RB solving evrrything at #2. Jones is the QB Shurmur wanted, as DG even said, while DG is still tied to though because he went along with it. I disagree all QBs are tied to their GM. Just look at who is the 2nd one behind the lectern after the game. HC is first . QB is 2nd. I agree. They are. That's because of the importance of the position. 100%. What I meant was IMO that #2 pick had a much more important impact on our team the next 5-6 years into the future than that #6 pick. The value of that #2 pick was much much higher at the time.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 25, 2020 6:38:16 GMT -5
I disagree all QBs are tied to their GM. Just look at who is the 2nd one behind the lectern after the game. HC is first . QB is 2nd. I agree. They are. That's because of the importance of the position. 100%. What I meant was IMO that #2 pick had a much more important impact on our team the next 5-6 years into the future than that #6 pick. The value of that #2 pick was much much higher at the time. Serious question: outside of maybe 3 guys on this board, do you hear a lot of chatter about how DG set the franchise back with Barkley? I don't, but I also listen to no sports radio/TV/Ipodcasts.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 25, 2020 6:46:07 GMT -5
we cant say they are trying to improve
I am exciting for the draft, and then hopefully camp and the season
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 25, 2020 6:48:08 GMT -5
we cant say they are trying to improve I am exciting for the draft, and then hopefully camp and the season They are making some good moves, and I am happy with them. The draft will hopefully help solidify some areas right away...I am hoping O-line
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Post by GameTime on Mar 25, 2020 6:53:24 GMT -5
we cant say they are trying to improve I am exciting for the draft, and then hopefully camp and the season They are making some good moves, and I am happy with them. The draft will hopefully help solidify some areas right away...I am hoping O-line yep.....good moves or not, depending on one's view, they are trying. Like the oline......they have been trying albeit failing for the most part. As far as this off season with the staff and roster moves........I am looking forward to it.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 6:53:58 GMT -5
I agree. They are. That's because of the importance of the position. 100%. What I meant was IMO that #2 pick had a much more important impact on our team the next 5-6 years into the future than that #6 pick. The value of that #2 pick was much much higher at the time. Serious question: outside of maybe 3 guys on this board, do you hear a lot of chatter about how DG set the franchise back with Barkley? I don't, but I also listen to no sports radio/TV/Ipodcasts. As I said, thats because of the importance of the position taken. RB isnt valuable like QB is. So most people would ignore the fact he took a RB at 2 and focus in on the QB at 6. That #2 pick had way more value to this team going forward. Im not driving down this worn down path again though so if you want, you can gave the final word.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 25, 2020 7:15:49 GMT -5
Serious question: outside of maybe 3 guys on this board, do you hear a lot of chatter about how DG set the franchise back with Barkley? I don't, but I also listen to no sports radio/TV/Ipodcasts. As I said, thats because of the importance of the position taken. RB isnt valuable like QB is. So most people would ignore the fact he took a RB at 2 and focus in on the QB at 6. That #2 pick had way more value to this team going forward. Im not driving down this worn down path again though so if you want, you can gave the final word. So is it just you and the other two guys? And I would suggest if you are tired of driving down that path, stop bringing it up at every opportunity
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Post by TEM on Mar 25, 2020 7:21:53 GMT -5
I disagree all QBs are tied to their GM. Just look at who is the 2nd one behind the lectern after the game. HC is first . QB is 2nd. I agree. They are. That's because of the importance of the position. 100%. What I meant was IMO that #2 pick had a much more important impact on our team the next 5-6 years into the future than that #6 pick. The value of that #2 pick was much much higher at the time. I was talking about legacy pick. The QB always is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 8:06:35 GMT -5
I'm too old to expect a draft-day perfect scenario. For better or worse, I see Wirfs/Wills at #4 and a Center in the 2nd round. There's less room to gamble (or as Gettlemans says, "be cute") when you have this many holes on a team.
It's hard to think about refinishing the attic when your foundation is crumbling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 8:19:30 GMT -5
At the very least I think 2020 could be the season we hoped 2019 would be, seeing some levels of improvement throughout the team (other threads people argued with me that 2019 wasnt expected to be better than 2018 and the head coach wasnt at fault - uh...ok...) I for one am super excited about Judge and this staff.
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Post by TEM on Mar 25, 2020 8:26:39 GMT -5
Fix the OL and the pass rush and you will get your improvement. As is always the case. It is kind of simple...yet, every year we fail to fix the OL, and the best we can do for a pass rush being Bettcher and his go to system guy, Golden and 10 uninspiring sacks. Well, I'm seeing the cure with 5 early first day tackles...with another 2 or so probably reached for before we get to our second round pick....can't mess this year up...people seem to forget, a 2nd year fumbler named Jones is the franchise. Would his sacks have been more inspiring . If this was his sack celebration?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 8:59:54 GMT -5
It is kind of simple...yet, every year we fail to fix the OL, and the best we can do for a pass rush being Bettcher and his go to system guy, Golden and 10 uninspiring sacks. Well, I'm seeing the cure with 5 early first day tackles...with another 2 or so probably reached for before we get to our second round pick....can't mess this year up...people seem to forget, a 2nd year fumbler named Jones is the franchise. Would his sacks have been more inspiring . If this was his sack celebration? If Golden did that after each sack, I'd make a collection to pay him what he thinks he is worth...that's entertainment vs wins we're talking about.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Mar 25, 2020 9:04:06 GMT -5
I think they got it right this time:
1. The hiring of Joe Judge was probably the most significant move so far. I have very high hopes for him and his staff.
2. I like the FA moves; just with those the team is already better than last year.
3. The rookies from last year now have a season's worth of experience to build from.
4. Saquon Barkley will be coming into his 3rd season 100% healthy.
The final piece is to not screw up the draft. Absolute priority is the get OL, then pass rush. That HAS to be done. If it is, and I think it will be (they can't be that blind to not see it at this point) then I think we absolutely have a winning season.
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