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Post by infinite420 on Mar 25, 2020 13:10:03 GMT -5
And had these following players available at Pick 4, no trade backs. What is your draft order?
Thomas. Wirfs. Wills. Becton. Jeudy. Lamb. Simmons. Okudah.
Mine is : 1. Thomas - Best, only true LT 2. Lamb - Most impact on current WR core 3. Wirfs - Grinder, grit, athletic 4. Jeudy - Too talented to take a RT over him 5. Wills - Good RT prospect 6. Okudah - Rather have best CB crew than OLB 7. Simmons - Good college player, many ??? 8. Becton - Too much development needed at 4
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Post by GameTime on Mar 25, 2020 13:37:34 GMT -5
we all think we are GMs...lol
As far as OT...Thomas for sure #1, Wills (RT only stuff is BS IMO....Tua is a lefty so RT = blindside.), then Wirfs. Becton is a semi distant 4th option. IMO he is a bit behind the curve technically and not time to waste on that. Also a chance he doesnt make it as an really NFL OT. Size is great but he needs more at this level. Def take any one of the top 3 OTs first.
After that I havent researched enough and I dont watch nearly enough college football to comment on the other players. With that said I like the players i nyour line up. All on the high value list for the top 10-15 picks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 14:18:47 GMT -5
we all think we are GMs...lol As far as OT...Thomas for sure #1, Wills (RT only stuff is BS IMO....Tua is a lefty so RT = blindside.), then Wirfs. Becton is a semi distant 4th option. IMO he is a bit behind the curve technically and not time to waste on that. Also a chance he doesnt make it as an really NFL OT. Size is great but he needs more at this level. Def take any one of the top 3 OTs first. After that I havent researched enough and I dont watch nearly enough college football to comment on the other players. With that said I like the players i nyour line up. All on the high value list for the top 10-15 picks. It's fun... As far as THIS list and who I want vs think the Giants should pick? Thomas. Wills. Wirfs. Becton. Jeudy. Ruggs Okudah. Lamb. Jeudy Simmons. Javon Kinlaw
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Post by TEM on Mar 25, 2020 14:35:59 GMT -5
Thomas Chaisson Wills Wirfs Becton McKinney Simmons Gross-Matos
For the record . Most of these selections I believe could be traded down for.
If it is by BPA and it should be . We have the number 4 pick. So we should have 4 players on board for the 4th pick.
Burrow Young Tua Thomas If Young and Thomas are off the board. I would trade the pick.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 25, 2020 14:39:14 GMT -5
Thomas. Wirfs. Simmons. Wills. Okudah. Becton. Jeudy. Lamb.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 15:59:01 GMT -5
It seems as if 99% here would go Young if he was there.
Yet most of those people wanted to see us win that meaningless Washington game, which could put Young in our division and left us out of the sweepstakes.
If I was GM, I would have told Shurmur to start Tanney that game.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 25, 2020 16:14:30 GMT -5
we all think we are GMs...lol As far as OT...Thomas for sure #1, Wills (RT only stuff is BS IMO....Tua is a lefty so RT = blindside.), then Wirfs. Becton is a semi distant 4th option. IMO he is a bit behind the curve technically and not time to waste on that. Also a chance he doesnt make it as an really NFL OT. Size is great but he needs more at this level. Def take any one of the top 3 OTs first. After that I havent researched enough and I dont watch nearly enough college football to comment on the other players. With that said I like the players i nyour line up. All on the high value list for the top 10-15 picks. I never watched a single snap of college football (outside of 2 Cornell games) and I haven't read anything about any player outside of what I have read here. No tape...no all 22's...nothing.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 25, 2020 16:27:39 GMT -5
we all think we are GMs...lol As far as OT...Thomas for sure #1, Wills (RT only stuff is BS IMO....Tua is a lefty so RT = blindside.), then Wirfs. Becton is a semi distant 4th option. IMO he is a bit behind the curve technically and not time to waste on that. Also a chance he doesnt make it as an really NFL OT. Size is great but he needs more at this level. Def take any one of the top 3 OTs first. After that I havent researched enough and I dont watch nearly enough college football to comment on the other players. With that said I like the players i nyour line up. All on the high value list for the top 10-15 picks. I never watched a single snap of college football (outside of 2 Cornell games) and I haven't read anything about any player outside of what I have read here. No tape...no all 22's...nothing. That’s the kind of resume that got Mike Maccagnan a job with the Jets.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 25, 2020 16:29:29 GMT -5
It seems as if 99% here would go Young if he was there. Yet most of those people wanted to see us win that meaningless Washington game, which could put Young in our division and left us out of the sweepstakes. If I was GM, I would have told Shurmur to start Tanney that game. Idly curious...how do you expect the players to try and win for you when you intentionally try and lose? Focus on the players who are in the last year of their contracts, and are playing for the next one.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 25, 2020 16:32:20 GMT -5
It seems as if 99% here would go Young if he was there. Yet most of those people wanted to see us win that meaningless Washington game, which could put Young in our division and left us out of the sweepstakes. If I was GM, I would have told Shurmur to start Tanney that game. Heart vs Head. I will never ever root against the Giants winning a game. I could walk outside and die any minute, you only get so many games to see, I'm not going to root against them for a perceived benefit in the future. Also **** the Skins.
My head knew winning would gives us a worse draft spot though.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 25, 2020 16:35:27 GMT -5
And had these following players available at Pick 4, no trade backs. What is your draft order? Thomas. Wirfs. Wills. Becton. Jeudy. Lamb. Simmons. Okudah. Fun idea for a thread. My big board is not based on need at all it is based (as I think DGs is) on the talent of the player.
Simmons Okudah Thomas Becton Wirfs Wills Jeudy Lamb
Very close between the OTs and I think it comes down to the type of offense a team runs that could make the difference. I also might like Ruggs over Jeudy/Lamb as crazy as that might seem. Kid is lightning in a bottle.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 25, 2020 17:01:51 GMT -5
........no game is meaningless. Not sure why your post reminded me of this.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Mar 25, 2020 17:17:17 GMT -5
we all think we are GMs...lol As far as OT...Thomas for sure #1, Wills (RT only stuff is BS IMO....Tua is a lefty so RT = blindside.), then Wirfs. Becton is a semi distant 4th option. IMO he is a bit behind the curve technically and not time to waste on that. Also a chance he doesnt make it as an really NFL OT. Size is great but he needs more at this level. Def take any one of the top 3 OTs first. After that I havent researched enough and I dont watch nearly enough college football to comment on the other players. With that said I like the players i nyour line up. All on the high value list for the top 10-15 picks. well some of us have gm experience managing the cap , and player evaluations as well as contracts , tags and also scouting and drafting.,, fa period , on madden.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 25, 2020 17:25:26 GMT -5
It seems as if 99% here would go Young if he was there. Yet most of those people wanted to see us win that meaningless Washington game, which could put Young in our division and left us out of the sweepstakes. If I was GM, I would have told Shurmur to start Tanney that game. Idly curious...how do you expect the players to try and win for you when you intentionally try and lose? Focus on the players who are in the last year of their contracts, and are playing for the next one. Well, we started Eli the past couple of seasons before last.... lol
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Mar 25, 2020 17:46:27 GMT -5
.............anyone thinking the Giants should lose a game when they can win a game just for a draft pick to me isn't a true Giants fan.JMHO ..........no game is meaningless. if the goal is to better the team , and grab say a franchise QB i think that is still a good fan imo. but i would not be nor was i onboard for losing out to get a defensive talent. the team needed wins as well as jones for morale if anything else.
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 25, 2020 17:56:36 GMT -5
And had these following players available at Pick 4, no trade backs. What is your draft order? Thomas. Wirfs. Wills. Becton. Jeudy. Lamb. Simmons. Okudah. Mine is : 1. Thomas - Best, only true LT 2. Lamb - Most impact on current WR core 3. Wirfs - Grinder, grit, athletic 4. Jeudy - Too talented to take a RT over him 5. Wills - Good RT prospect 6. Okudah - Rather have best CB crew than OLB 7. Simmons - Good college player, many ??? 8. Becton - Too much development needed at 4 Based on my personal preference as to who I would like most on the team..... 1. Andrew Thomas 2. Tristan Wrifs 3. Jedrick Wills 4. Mekhi Becton 5. Isiah Simmons 6. CeeDee Lamb 7. Jerry Jeudy 8. Jeff Okudah ....GOTTA solidify that line
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Post by TEM on Mar 25, 2020 18:34:08 GMT -5
It seems as if 99% here would go Young if he was there. Yet most of those people wanted to see us win that meaningless Washington game, which could put Young in our division and left us out of the sweepstakes. If I was GM, I would have told Shurmur to start Tanney that game. Idly curious...how do you expect the players to try and win for you when you intentionally try and lose? Focus on the players who are in the last year of their contracts, and are playing for the next one. Not only that. The GM has no authority to tell who the HC inserts in his game plan.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 25, 2020 18:35:48 GMT -5
And had these following players available at Pick 4, no trade backs. What is your draft order? Thomas. Wirfs. Wills. Becton. Jeudy. Lamb. Simmons. Okudah. Mine is : 1. Thomas - Best, only true LT 2. Lamb - Most impact on current WR core 3. Wirfs - Grinder, grit, athletic 4. Jeudy - Too talented to take a RT over him 5. Wills - Good RT prospect 6. Okudah - Rather have best CB crew than OLB 7. Simmons - Good college player, many ??? 8. Becton - Too much development needed at 4 1. Wills 2. Thomas 3. Wirfs 4. Simmons 5. Okudah 6. Juedy 7. Lamb 8. Becton Also, Wirfs plays RT so your Juedy comment doesnt make sense, despite the already present flaw in logic.
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Post by infinite420 on Mar 25, 2020 19:02:58 GMT -5
And had these following players available at Pick 4, no trade backs. What is your draft order? Thomas. Wirfs. Wills. Becton. Jeudy. Lamb. Simmons. Okudah. Mine is : 1. Thomas - Best, only true LT 2. Lamb - Most impact on current WR core 3. Wirfs - Grinder, grit, athletic 4. Jeudy - Too talented to take a RT over him 5. Wills - Good RT prospect 6. Okudah - Rather have best CB crew than OLB 7. Simmons - Good college player, many ??? 8. Becton - Too much development needed at 4 1. Wills 2. Thomas 3. Wirfs 4. Simmons 5. Okudah 6. Juedy 7. Lamb 8. Becton Also, Wirfs plays RT so your Juedy comment doesnt make sense, despite the already present flaw in logic. Wirfs plugged in at LT this last year, hes athletic enough. Im calling him a LT
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Post by giantsalmon on Mar 25, 2020 19:13:04 GMT -5
It seems as if 99% here would go Young if he was there. Yet most of those people wanted to see us win that meaningless Washington game, which could put Young in our division and left us out of the sweepstakes. If I was GM, I would have told Shurmur to start Tanney that game. Heart vs Head. I will never ever root against the Giants winning a game. I could walk outside and die any minute, you only get so many games to see, I'm not going to root against them for a perceived benefit in the future. Also **** the Skins.
My head knew winning would gives us a worse draft spot though.
You reminded me of when Reeves was asked(during his tenure with NYG) why he took pre season games so seriously(he went undefeated that pre season)). He answered, "when they stop keeping score, we will stop trying to win". I have to respect that, and I absolutely loved when TC went all out in that finale VS the Pats.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 25, 2020 19:19:08 GMT -5
You reminded me of when Reeves was asked(during his tenure with NYG) why he took pre season games so seriously(he went undefeated that pre season)). He answered, "when they stop keeping score, we will stop trying to win". I have to respect that, and I absolutely loved when TC went all out in that finale VS the Pats. Haha you have to respect that. I was explaining that to some junior guys recently. I told them you should ALWAYS compete and try to win and be the best no matter what it is you're doing. Winning is a life style and mentality that people can't turn on and off as they please. That's why the Don Beebe play in the Super Bowl is still one of the all time great plays. Also "you play to win the game".
52-17 with the game over.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 25, 2020 19:59:14 GMT -5
Thomas Wirfs Wills Becton Simmons Okudah Jeudy Lamb
Just from what little knowledge I have. That's the order I would draft them in.
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Post by giantstepz on Mar 26, 2020 1:04:36 GMT -5
Since Getty has already gone on record as saying "I'm approaching free agency with the expectation that I can then select the best player available in the Draft" (or words to that effect) I'll pretend for a moment I am he. There are only two players from your list who are rated in the top 4. Here's my board featuring BPA: Okudah, Simmons, Lamb, Wills, Wirfs, Jeudy, Becton, Thomas. But word has already trickled out that Geddy prefers Wirfs to Wills so he may have those two reversed. But no OL or receiver is rated in the top 4. Will he go for need or stick to his plan? Could the starting tackles be Solder and Gates? Ouch.
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 26, 2020 3:55:11 GMT -5
there is this belief that this years OT tackle class is elite and that's just not true, sure the top 4 guys are good players but all have their flaws. there certainly is no tyron smith or joe staley in that group, or even a quentin nelson. if the pick is at 4 and they have a defender rated higher, that's the move. I don't see how they would have any of the OT's rated higher than certain defensive players. that defense was abysmal and needs help. Id take simmons one and peart two in a heartbeat. best scenario is a trade back yielding a stud defender and OT in the 1st, then the best defender in the 2nd.
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 26, 2020 4:32:11 GMT -5
If we're not trading back I think we have to go OT at #4. I think OT at #4 not only addresses our biggest need, but it provides the most flexibility throughout the rest of the draft. Here's my order and a short summary as to why......this will likely change a dozen times over the next month: Wills - Thomas was my favorite OT coming into the off-season, and he may end up being my favorite, but after watching some film on Wills I'm completely impressed. I'm no OL guru, but his technique looks flawless and he moves like a basketball player....great feet and change of direction. Thomas - Coming into the off-season, it was him or Chase Young. Not sure what's changed, but he's a monster, and could be our future LT. Becton - Physical beast. Absolute mountain of a man, simply rag dolls defenders. Moves good for his size, but will he be exposed against NFL rushers? Wirfs - Athletic freak and ex-wrestler, which I like. Not sure what it is, but he's my least favorite of the Fab 4. Simmons - Simmons would be the only defender, at #4, that I'd walk away happy with. I'd be fine with an Okudah, but I'd be very happy with Simmons. Dude is amazingly gifted, and would be a true weapon to have on our defense. Jeudy - The idea of WR at #4 is tough to swallow, but Jeudy might be worth it. He'd be an absolute phenomenal compliment to Barkley, and would be awesome to watch him grow with Jones. This is like one of those shots in basketball where you're yelling "no, no, no!!!," but then the shot goes in so you change you're tune to "all right, good shot!" Okudah
- We've put a lot of resources into CB the last few years, but Okudah, Baker, and Bradberry would give us 3 very good, very young CB's. There aren't many teams who can say that. Our Secondary would become a complete strength and could make for a lot of turnovers. Lamb - Honestly, I don't see a scenario where we draft him, so I haven't given Lamb much thought. I'm just getting into my draft research and I hear he's arguably the best WR, but I just don't see him being the potential game changer Jeudy is, and I think there's way too much value in rounds 2+ at WR this year to reach for anything other than a game changer in round 1.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 26, 2020 5:31:22 GMT -5
Just saw that Jumbo Elliot said on Twitter that he doesn’t think any of the OT’s in this year’s draft is worth the #4 pick
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 26, 2020 6:17:34 GMT -5
Just saw that Jumbo Elliot said on Twitter that he doesn’t think any of the OT’s in this year’s draft is worth the #4 pick Feels like the 2018 QB class... All was well for the 4 top guys coming out then they all got picked apart by analysts and fans. (Still all 4 went top 10 and the one that didnt is having the best career so far). What is the worth of a player? What if the Dolphins are taking Thomas at 5, is he worth the #4? Comparably speaking, looking back at all the #4 picks in history, is he not expected to be as good? Will he make our team better at OT position and will it impact our win totals? Are there comparable players to be available for our 2nd round pick or lower? Im still saying Thomas is worth the #4, but if we have a chance to drop back some and get him, Im all for it. Bottom line is, the OT spots must be fixed for DJ to have any chance of success.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 26, 2020 6:28:11 GMT -5
there is this belief that this years OT tackle class is elite and that's just not true, sure the top 4 guys are good players but all have their flaws. there certainly is no tyron smith or joe staley in that group, or even a quentin nelson. if the pick is at 4 and they have a defender rated higher, that's the move. I don't see how they would have any of the OT's rated higher than certain defensive players. that defense was abysmal and needs help. Id take simmons one and peart two in a heartbeat. best scenario is a trade back yielding a stud defender and OT in the 1st, then the best defender in the 2nd. Wirfs as a G is being compared to Quentin Nelson, who is a G. They are saying he can be a very good T, but an elite G. Tyron Smith (who I compared Andrew Thomas with in the past to be the closest prospect), also had his flaws coming out. Below was his scouting report: Staley was drafted 28th overall, so he was no slam dunk. All players need to be coached up correctly, even if they have "it".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 6:37:56 GMT -5
Wirfs' flaw seems to be in sliding over when stunts occur on the line; he can be myopic.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 26, 2020 7:37:54 GMT -5
Just saw that Jumbo Elliot said on Twitter that he doesn’t think any of the OT’s in this year’s draft is worth the #4 pick Feels like the 2018 QB class... All was well for the 4 top guys coming out then they all got picked apart by analysts and fans. (Still all 4 went top 10 and the one that didnt is having the best career so far). What is the worth of a player? What if the Dolphins are taking Thomas at 5, is he worth the #4? Comparably speaking, looking back at all the #4 picks in history, is he not expected to be as good? Will he make our team better at OT position and will it impact our win totals? Are there comparable players to be available for our 2nd round pick or lower? Im still saying Thomas is worth the #4, but if we have a chance to drop back some and get him, Im all for it. Bottom line is, the OT spots must be fixed for DJ to have any chance of success. I think that the point is that you don’t take an OT in the top 5 unless you are getting a Joe Thomas, Tony Bosselli, etc. I’m in favor of taking an OT but really, I can see both points of view
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