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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2020 7:43:22 GMT -5
I will not make any assumptions on that until we draft. Our OLBs are young and have not hit a celling. Somethin else to consider. Yes, but how high is that ceiling? Now, hopefully Judge implements a defense on par with the great Patriot teams, cause that is how I'm connecting this hiring...and players become products of a built system. I want it to be the moon. Who knows at this point?
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Post by cocktailkerry on Mar 27, 2020 8:42:13 GMT -5
This signing is about rotational depth. Keeping the interior guys fresh so they can hold up throughout the course of a game and make a late stop to protect a lead. Adding to a position of strength is not necessarily a bad thing. It adds to the competition at the mid to lower end of the position group. If guys like Austin can give the starters a rest without significant drop off, thats a small advantage that could make a big difference.
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 27, 2020 9:04:38 GMT -5
Seems good against the run and good depth for the rotation .If we can finally get some decent LBers to cover the middle and a coach who can teach the fundamentals of tackling we will be all set! good tackling is becoming a lost art in the NFL, do they even teach it any more...
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Post by GameTime on Mar 27, 2020 9:13:13 GMT -5
most of these signings are not of any major consequence. Camps bodies and they will see what sticks.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 27, 2020 10:04:20 GMT -5
Seems a little light for DT to me at 314. Needs a little more umph in the backside for me in todays football. But gaining 10-15 lbs for these guys is a pleasant assignment. Some extra deserts and another bowl of ice cream before bed. You want to be a run stopper then lets be a run stopper. Aaron Donald is 290 pounds, maybe if we trim 24 pounds he can rush the passer If that would make him a pass rusher I'm all for it. Maybe we could use him as a blocking TE or a fullback. He should have size advantage there. On the DL he's our 5th DL out of 6 at best. I would be surprised if he even suits up every game unless he gives ST some type strength. He might not even make the team imo.
Is he just a body for camp or does he fit some kind of plan. Maybe a 3rd down DL in passing situations. We'll see.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Mar 27, 2020 10:30:53 GMT -5
Guys are making a whole lot out of what seems to be a low level depth signing that was likely prompted by our DL coach having coached the kid while in college. Seems like one of those low risk reclamation projects on a high draft pick (the guy was a 2nd rounder) to see if a new environment and reconnecting with his old coach can open up something new in the player.
And having depth isn't a bad thing. It's not uncommon to have a couple of injuries to your DL during the pre-season and season.
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Post by JoeyCush on Mar 27, 2020 10:50:47 GMT -5
The accumulating of interior DL and lack of OL starters/depth is getting scary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 11:08:08 GMT -5
I will not make any assumptions on that until we draft. Our OLBs are young and have not hit a celling. Somethin else to consider. Yes, but how high is that ceiling? Now, hopefully Judge implements a defense on par with the great Patriot teams, cause that is how I'm connecting this hiring...and players become products of a built system. thats such a hugely important statement to me - a built system. thats why this all feels different. we're not just amassing players to throw onto the field and hope it works, judge is going to find out what these guys can really do and plug them into a 'system' like an actual thing, a foundation for the team to latch onto. thats why im not worried that some feel we've kinda miss hit on the free agents so far, like we should be signing huge deals to superstars. theyre not gonna have to be great (though thatd be nice) they just have to be good within the context that our coaching staff is gonna use them. the whole greater than the sum of its parts kinda thing.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 27, 2020 11:56:07 GMT -5
Seems good against the run and good depth for the rotation .If we can finally get some decent LBers to cover the middle and a coach who can teach the fundamentals of tackling we will be all set! You know, I was sitting here eating my breakfast and thinking...we've been asking for linebackers since Pierce left. That is a long time. I was asking long before Pierce and I'm still asking.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 15:48:24 GMT -5
If that would make him a pass rusher I'm all for it. Maybe we could use him as a blocking TE or a fullback. He should have size advantage there. On the DL he's our 5th DL out of 6 at best. I would be surprised if he even suits up every game unless he gives ST some type strength. He might not even make the team imo.
Is he just a body for camp or does he fit some kind of plan. Maybe a 3rd down DL in passing situations. We'll see.
He is most likely just competition and a camp body. Guys like this are signed all the time. We are pretty stout at DT so it will surely be tough for him to make it. I think some people like to make a big deal and complain about any move we make, even ones that will have zero effect on anything (not saying you).
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 15:50:29 GMT -5
thats such a hugely important statement to me - a built system. thats why this all feels different. we're not just amassing players to throw onto the field and hope it works, judge is going to find out what these guys can really do and plug them into a 'system' like an actual thing, a foundation for the team to latch onto. thats why im not worried that some feel we've kinda miss hit on the free agents so far, like we should be signing huge deals to superstars. theyre not gonna have to be great (though thatd be nice) they just have to be good within the context that our coaching staff is gonna use them. the whole greater than the sum of its parts kinda thing. Our last staff did the exact same thing. I hope to the football gods that this system works out better than the last one.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 15:54:04 GMT -5
The accumulating of interior DL and lack of OL starters/depth is getting scary. One has nothing to do with the other. We need OL for sure.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 27, 2020 18:40:36 GMT -5
68 overall in madden. not impressive ,may add depth. Yeah just another camp body.
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Post by JoeyCush on Mar 29, 2020 9:01:19 GMT -5
The accumulating of interior DL and lack of OL starters/depth is getting scary. One has nothing to do with the other. We need OL for sure.
I never said signing DL meant you cant sign OL.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 29, 2020 14:07:47 GMT -5
One has nothing to do with the other. We need OL for sure.
I never said signing DL meant you cant sign OL. I guess my question would be do you really have an issue with us signing people that will likely just be a camp body? We will have 90+ people in camp, most of them guys like Johnson.
My guess is you really just want us to sign more OL, which has nothing to do with signing Austin Johnson.
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Post by JoeyCush on Mar 29, 2020 19:11:56 GMT -5
I never said signing DL meant you cant sign OL. I guess my question would be do you really have an issue with us signing people that will likely just be a camp body? We will have 90+ people in camp, most of them guys like Johnson.
My guess is you really just want us to sign more OL, which has nothing to do with signing Austin Johnson.
My point to your response was the fact he hasnt signed any OL besides of Fleming is concerning. If he is going to beef up the DL with camp bodies, shouldnt he be doing the same thing with OL? The teams biggest weakness? My concern is if he doesnt add anything to the oline, pick at 4 has to be OL without any hesitation.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 29, 2020 20:05:25 GMT -5
My point to your response was the fact he hasnt signed any OL besides of Fleming is concerning. If he is going to beef up the DL with camp bodies, shouldnt he be doing the same thing with OL? The teams biggest weakness? My concern is if he doesnt add anything to the oline, pick at 4 has to be OL without any hesitation. It was just odd that you know there is no relation between signing a DT and OL and chose this thread to voice the displeasure of the OL in. Nothing wrong with it, just caught me off guard is all.
He added a $4m RT that will see far more time than Johnson will.
My guess is that the OL help we need is more than just camp bodies. We are likely going to spend draft picks on the OL and probably none on DTs. Heck I would expect us to sign some undrafted free agent OL too and swing for the fences. 1/5 of the vaunted Dallas OL from 2016 was an undrafted guy. So with the OL we should do more than just add random nobodies from other teams as camp fodder. We should spend draft picks on the OL and take a swing on 3-4 undrafted guys hoping to hit a home run.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 29, 2020 21:33:06 GMT -5
I guess my question would be do you really have an issue with us signing people that will likely just be a camp body? We will have 90+ people in camp, most of them guys like Johnson.
My guess is you really just want us to sign more OL, which has nothing to do with signing Austin Johnson.
My point to your response was the fact he hasnt signed any OL besides of Fleming is concerning. If he is going to beef up the DL with camp bodies, shouldnt he be doing the same thing with OL? The teams biggest weakness? My concern is if he doesnt add anything to the oline, pick at 4 has to be OL without any hesitation. What fa ols did you want to be signed?
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Post by JoeyCush on Mar 29, 2020 21:45:54 GMT -5
My point to your response was the fact he hasnt signed any OL besides of Fleming is concerning. If he is going to beef up the DL with camp bodies, shouldnt he be doing the same thing with OL? The teams biggest weakness? My concern is if he doesnt add anything to the oline, pick at 4 has to be OL without any hesitation. What fa ols did you want to be signed? The only realistic tackle I wanted was Ricky Wagner. Daryl Williams would have been fine too. I'm not knocking Fleming signing just thought DG would be putting more resources into the OL than he has.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 30, 2020 10:36:13 GMT -5
What fa ols did you want to be signed? The only realistic tackle I wanted was Ricky Wagner. Daryl Williams would have been fine too. I'm not knocking Fleming signing just thought DG would be putting more resources into the OL than he has. I had read there were a couple good centers available. If so I was surprised we didnt look to get one. I hope they dont think Halipio is the answer in 2020.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 30, 2020 10:48:05 GMT -5
The only realistic tackle I wanted was Ricky Wagner. Daryl Williams would have been fine too. I'm not knocking Fleming signing just thought DG would be putting more resources into the OL than he has. I had read there were a couple good centers available. If so I was surprised we didnt look to get one. I hope they dont think Halipio is the answer in 2020. Some of the media people close to the team think that it is a possibility that they will look at Gates at Center.
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Post by JoeyCush on Mar 30, 2020 11:29:16 GMT -5
The only realistic tackle I wanted was Ricky Wagner. Daryl Williams would have been fine too. I'm not knocking Fleming signing just thought DG would be putting more resources into the OL than he has. I had read there were a couple good centers available. If so I was surprised we didnt look to get one. I hope they dont think Halipio is the answer in 2020. I mean as it seems it looks like Pulley is going into 2020 as starting center. Dont think they would want to task a rookie Center calling out the right protection calls. Thats why I was really hoping Garrett could have snatched Joe Looney away from Dallas but with Frederick's retirement, would have been tough. I had read there were a couple good centers available. If so I was surprised we didnt look to get one. I hope they dont think Halipio is the answer in 2020. Some of the media people close to the team think that it is a possibility that they will look at Gates at Center. That would be good for Gates if he proves versatility on the line. I think Kevin Boothe played every position on the line when he was here. Vastly underrated player.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 30, 2020 12:10:26 GMT -5
I had read there were a couple good centers available. If so I was surprised we didnt look to get one. I hope they dont think Halipio is the answer in 2020. Some of the media people close to the team think that it is a possibility that they will look at Gates at Center. Has he ever played center? Or is this going to be another experiment?
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 30, 2020 12:24:47 GMT -5
Some of the media people close to the team think that it is a possibility that they will look at Gates at Center. Has he ever played center? Or is this going to be another experiment? I believe that there was an article last year about Halapio showing him how to play center? Basically an experiment ….
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 12:54:34 GMT -5
Has he ever played center? Or is this going to be another experiment? I believe that there was an article last year about Halapio showing him how to play center? Basically an experiment …. That is a scary proposition right there. That's the blind leading the blind!
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Post by robl on Mar 30, 2020 15:29:02 GMT -5
In a pinch he can play center field.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 30, 2020 16:02:27 GMT -5
I believe that there was an article last year about Halapio showing him how to play center? Basically an experiment …. That is a scary proposition right there. That's the blind leading the blind! Those who can...Do. Those who can't...Teach. So based on that I would maybe Halp is a better coach than player lol.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 30, 2020 16:22:44 GMT -5
That is a scary proposition right there. That's the blind leading the blind! Those who can...Do. Those who can't...Teach. So based on that I would maybe Halp is a better coach than player lol. Yeah. A guy who has less than 2 seasons experience, with questionable success, will teach a guy with zero experience. Someone tell me this can't possibly be the plan for center under this new staff.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 30, 2020 16:31:08 GMT -5
Yeah. A guy who has less than 2 seasons experience, with questionable success, will teach a guy with zero experience. Someone tell me this can't possibly be the plan for center under this new staff. Who is the best NFL OL coach? How much NFL playing experience does he have? You don't have to be a great NFL player to teach.
None of that matters because I was kidding and I am sure if this is their plan they will be trying him out to see if he can make the transition will all the support of the full coaching staff, not just sticking him in a corner with Halp showing him how to snap the ball lol.
We need a C and I would be prepared to try out anyone I can to find that guy (just in case the cards don't align in the draft).
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