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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 20:11:36 GMT -5
No one has ever taken less pay to play for the Giants
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 20:13:06 GMT -5
You entire argument is based upon conjecture. The Giants gave the highest offer. LMAO. Oh the hypocrisy in this post is hilarious.
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2020 20:25:54 GMT -5
You entire argument is based upon conjecture. The Giants gave the highest offer. LMAO. Oh the hypocrisy in this post is hilarious. Hypocrisy!!!!!!. You were insinuating that offer was not the highest . The fact is It was. Now if you were correct in you assumptions. Dave could have low balled him just under the next highest bid. By your I know better than everyone else what is inside the Corners head. He would have taken it. So why did that not happen? You are trying to spin straw into gold. The Giants gave the highest offer.
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2020 20:53:00 GMT -5
No one has ever taken less pay to play for the Giants
Here are the real facts Eli Manning # 1 pick 45 Million dollar Rookie Contract Phillip Rivers #4 pick 40.5 Million dollar Rookie Contract. Where exactly is the "less pay"? Hang it up while you can.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 27, 2020 20:55:15 GMT -5
No one has ever taken less pay to play for the Giants
Didnt Eli retire the highest paid player in NFL history?
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 21:05:03 GMT -5
Didnt Eli retire the highest paid player in NFL history? He sure did. When he knew he would be the first pick to the Chargers he said he doesn't want them to draft him and wants to play for us instead. Why on earth would he want less money?
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 21:07:01 GMT -5
The Giants gave the highest offer. Bigger print must mean you are right. By all means show some proof. I'll wait.
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2020 21:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 21:45:34 GMT -5
Awesome. Thank you.
So back to my post pages ago, "a little more money" is certainly not "a wide berth". We agree for god sake TEM. Money is important. Unless it's a ton (or wide berth) it's not enough to make a decision. At that point other things are important which is also what he said. Maybe we can believe both his quotes not just the one we like.
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2020 21:49:35 GMT -5
Awesome. Thank you.
So back to my post pages ago, "a little more money" is certainly not "a wide berth". We agree for god sake TEM. Money is important. Unless it's a ton (or wide berth) it's not enough to make a decision. At that point other things are important which is also what he said. Maybe we can believe both his quotes not just the one we like.
I agree. Being in a situation that is comfortable is enticing.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 22:21:51 GMT -5
Awesome. Thank you.
So back to my post pages ago, "a little more money" is certainly not "a wide berth". We agree for god sake TEM. Money is important. Unless it's a ton (or wide berth) it's not enough to make a decision. At that point other things are important which is also what he said. Maybe we can believe both his quotes not just the one we like.
I agree. Being in a situation that is comfortable is enticing. The crazy thing is he will be paying an extra $600,000+ in taxes to play here. Screw NY. Actually this assumes he has to pay NY taxes, do Giants players work in NY or NJ technically? Damn looked it up and NJ is actually worse than NY.
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2020 22:33:19 GMT -5
I agree. Being in a situation that is comfortable is enticing. The crazy thing is he will be paying an extra $600,000+ in taxes to play here. Screw NY. Actually this assumes he has to pay NY taxes, do Giants players work in NY or NJ technically? Damn looked it up and NJ is actually worse than NY. I don't know how that works? I think the NY Football Giants Inc is registered in NY. I don't think that matters unless the player physically works in NY. But if the player has residence has primary residence in any state except NY . I don't think they have to pay NY taxes unless they play a game in Buffalo. I believe that is only for the salary of that one game. NJ and Conn are just as bad with taxes.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2020 22:45:03 GMT -5
The crazy thing is he will be paying an extra $600,000+ in taxes to play here. Screw NY. Actually this assumes he has to pay NY taxes, do Giants players work in NY or NJ technically? Damn looked it up and NJ is actually worse than NY. I don't know how that works? I think the NY Football Giants Inc is registered in NY. I don't think that matters unless the player physically works in NY. But if the player has residence has primary residence in any state except NY . I don't think they have to pay NY taxes unless they play a game in Buffalo. I believe that is only for the salary of that one game. NJ and Conn are just as bad with taxes. Just started reading into this and DO NOT want to go down that rabbit hole. I have not been quarantined that long. F that lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 3:28:39 GMT -5
But they seperate their grade into pass blocking, run blocking, pressures allowed etc... in that case anything that happens after the RTs failed pass blocking doesnt affect his pass blocking grade. All fine and dandy. Go back to the paradox in the scenario. The offense move the chains because the RT field in his primary duty and succeeded as a football player. Why I see their response as philosophy not science. but that paradox doesn't make sense because PFF breaks down their grade to accommodate anomalies such as what you described. In that scenario the RT will have a pass blocking grade and an overall grade which are independent from each other. It isn't perfect but it's a good start.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 28, 2020 7:02:37 GMT -5
I think you are both right to a point. Reminds me of the old Miller lite commercials , taste great/less filling thing. and you gotta luv the easy open cans.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 7:04:17 GMT -5
All fine and dandy. Go back to the paradox in the scenario. The offense move the chains because the RT field in his primary duty and succeeded as a football player. Why I see their response as philosophy not science. but that paradox doesn't make sense because PFF breaks down their grade to accommodate anomalies such as what you described. In that scenario the RT will have a pass blocking grade and an overall grade which are independent from each other. It isn't perfect but it's a good start. I have never seen their methodology on how they draw a conclusion IMO: it is flawed. Perhaps if you show how they achieve those overall grade numbers. you can convince me to change my opinion.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 28, 2020 7:06:34 GMT -5
I would assume that all his considered offers were in the same range, and he 1) eliminated teams he was not interested in, and 2) picked the team he thought would be best for him. My assumption is that he, like almost every other player, eliminated teams that gave him a low offer.
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Post by jaymas on Mar 28, 2020 8:11:00 GMT -5
yeah but im sure he has a good relationship with gettle also. Ok. What is Gettleman going to do now that he is here? Wipe his ass? It would make more sense if he had a relationship with the head coach. You are really reaching to paint a simple article negatively.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 8:45:22 GMT -5
I think you are both right to a point. Reminds me of the old Miller lite commercials , taste great/less filling thing. Of course. I never once said money doesn't matter at all lol.
Not a fan of Miller Light though, I did have a Corona last night in honor of our quarantine.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 8:50:10 GMT -5
I have never seen their methodology on how they draw a conclusion IMO: it is flawed. Perhaps if you show how they achieve those overall grade numbers. you can convince me to change my opinion. Pretty much like this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 12:17:27 GMT -5
lol...
"I think Gettleman is a dick so, ipso facto, this player MUST be lying." Classic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 14:26:31 GMT -5
but that paradox doesn't make sense because PFF breaks down their grade to accommodate anomalies such as what you described. In that scenario the RT will have a pass blocking grade and an overall grade which are independent from each other. It isn't perfect but it's a good start. I have never seen their methodology on how they draw a conclusion IMO: it is flawed. Perhaps if you show how they achieve those overall grade numbers. you can convince me to change my opinion. They literally have that info on their site. www.pff.com/news/pro-how-we-grade-offensive-and-defensive-linemen
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 14:44:59 GMT -5
The first line proved my assumption. 'The cornerstone of PFF's grades and the philosophical basis for play-by-play grading is the belief that consistency is paramount in football." It is admitting Philosophy as a means of grading. The "we think it should be this way" grading system. They have an opinion based grading option in their conclusion. I could go on further with their use of wording that I find inconstant with scientific methodology.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 16:03:44 GMT -5
The first line proved my assumption. 'The cornerstone of PFF's grades and the philosophical basis for play-by-play grading is the belief that consistency is paramount in football." It is admitting Philosophy as a means of grading. The "we think it should be this way" grading system. They have an opinion based grading option in their conclusion. I could go on further with their use of wording that I find inconstant with scientific methodology. Looks like you, I and Bill Belichick agree. They can't grade people when they have no idea about the play call, the changes made at the line, what their coach wants them to do, what matters to that specific team ect. Their grades are a fun talking point and nothing more. They have great stats which is good, but their grades are a joke.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 16:25:18 GMT -5
The first line proved my assumption. 'The cornerstone of PFF's grades and the philosophical basis for play-by-play grading is the belief that consistency is paramount in football." It is admitting Philosophy as a means of grading. The "we think it should be this way" grading system. They have an opinion based grading option in their conclusion. I could go on further with their use of wording that I find inconstant with scientific methodology. Looks like you, I and Bill Belichick agree. They can't grade people when they have no idea about the play call, the changes made at the line, what their coach wants them to do, what matters to that specific team ect. Their grades are a fun talking point and nothing more. They have great stats which is good, but their grades are a joke. They base their mantra on consistency. That works in a closed system . Example you hit the letter T on a keyboard. The output every time will T.ttttttttttttttttt . It is that way unless a different line of code tells the computer's output to be different or if the keyboard fails. Football is the realm of the dynamic system . Run the same play with the exact same conditions a thousand times. The events that collate to produce the outcome of the play will be different in all one thousand plays. . Consistency is an illusion in football. Why I see their methodology being based upon philosophy and not science.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 30, 2020 18:32:18 GMT -5
So we outbid everyone else. Why do we always go to this? It has nothing to do with Dave and every thing to do with Benjamin. Hey, you should see me on ebay.
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