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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 8:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 28, 2020 8:36:33 GMT -5
Not familiar with him.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 8:38:33 GMT -5
Nate Wozniak is on the Giants roster as well 6'10" 280 is listed on sportrac as a OG , On the giants as an OT , His entire career he was a TE.
Didn't we cut Eric Thomlinson last year?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 8:47:23 GMT -5
Nate Wozniak is on the Giants roster as well 6'10 280 is listed on sportrac as a OG , On the giants as an OT , His entire career he was a TE. Didn't we cut Eric Thomlinson last year? You are correct. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 8:52:39 GMT -5
Thought we signed Dalvin Tomlinson lol. Also in before "OMG why didn't we sign an OT/C, we need a better OL" Also, can he cover TEs?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:45:40 GMT -5
Thought we signed Dalvin Tomlinson lol. Also in before "OMG why didn't we sign an OT/C, we need a better OL" Also, can he cover TEs? You forgot DG sucks |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 9:50:13 GMT -5
Thought we signed Dalvin Tomlinson lol. Also in before "OMG why didn't we sign an OT/C, we need a better OL" Also, can he cover TEs? You forgot DG sucks Wait did DG sign him? Oh yeah he is a moron. If he ends up being great clearly Judge signed him. |
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 10:01:41 GMT -5
a camp body but he does play STs and it seems the Jets used him for a screen plays here and there. Did ok too with that and At 6'6" and 260 he doesnt need blockers lol
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Post by Roswell on Mar 28, 2020 10:02:10 GMT -5
Is it possible that with all these TE signings and the 2 TE offense that the Giants want to run that they will roll with Solder, Fleming and Gates and select Simmons?
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 10:04:23 GMT -5
Is it possible that with all these TE signings and the 2 TE offense that the Giants want to run that they will roll with Solder, Fleming and Gates and select Simmons? to me signing a guy like Thomlinson has zero bearing on the draft board for the NYGs. What do they need more? A top flight LB or a top flight OT? I say OT and its not even close. But thats just me |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 10:23:30 GMT -5
Is it possible that with all these TE signings and the 2 TE offense that the Giants want to run that they will roll with Solder, Fleming and Gates and select Simmons? I absolutely think it could mean that. The Fleming signing seems exactly like the Remmers signing last year to me. They paid Remmers $2.5m to start and are paying Fleming $4m, I don't think it's to sit on the bench. Both 1 year deals, both were familiar with the coaching staff. Just seems obvious to me.
I know we on this site love these OTs but it's entirely possible our staff isn't as in love with them as we fans are. Maybe they don't see as drastic a drop off in talent as we do. Time will tell and we will find out soon.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 10:26:22 GMT -5
to me signing a guy like Thomlinson has zero bearing on the draft board for the NYGs. What do they need more? A top flight LB or a top flight OT?I say OT and its not even close. But thats just me I think if they grade one of the OTs as high as they grade the LB then they will go with the OT. If they grade the LB a 7.5 and the OT a 6 I don't think they will go for the OT. They have to trust their grades and not reach based on need. |
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 10:28:50 GMT -5
to me signing a guy like Thomlinson has zero bearing on the draft board for the NYGs. What do they need more? A top flight LB or a top flight OT?I say OT and its not even close. But thats just me I think if they grade one of the OTs as high as they grade the LB then they will go with the OT. If they grade the LB a 7.5 and the OT a 6 I don't think they will go for the OT. They have to trust their grades and not reach based on need. yeah number grades are fine but Simmons wont be graded that much higher than Thomas for example.....this is just a guess on my part. Drafting Thomas would NOT be a reach at all even if Simmons was graded a bit higher |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 10:31:45 GMT -5
I think if they grade one of the OTs as high as they grade the LB then they will go with the OT. If they grade the LB a 7.5 and the OT a 6 I don't think they will go for the OT. They have to trust their grades and not reach based on need. yeah number grades are fine but Simmons wont be graded that much higher than Thomas for example.....this is just a guess on my part. Drafting Thomas would NOT be a reach at all even if Simmons was graded a bit higher I have no idea how they will grade these guys, but it's entirely possible Simmons is graded much higher and they go with him. Also possible the opposite is true. I think signing Fleming and Martinez gives us the flexibility to take the better player, not the bigger need. This is what DG said since year 1 here, his goal is to fill the holes so he can take the better player. |
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 10:35:25 GMT -5
yeah number grades are fine but Simmons wont be graded that much higher than Thomas for example.....this is just a guess on my part. Drafting Thomas would NOT be a reach at all even if Simmons was graded a bit higher I have no idea how they will grade these guys, but it's entirely possible Simmons is graded much higher and they go with him. Also possible the opposite is true. I think signing Fleming and Martinez gives us the flexibility to take the better player, not the bigger need. This is what DG said since year 1 here, his goal is to fill the holes so he can take the better player. I can see that. I just dont have the attitude of taking a "Simmons" if you have a "Thomas" and its also a huge need. Jone's and the offense have to be the primary concern if one was to triage the Giant's situation |
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 28, 2020 10:57:26 GMT -5
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 11:14:10 GMT -5
I can see that. I just dont have the attitude of taking a "Simmons" if you have a "Thomas" and its also a huge need. Jone's and the offense have to be the primary concern if one was to triage the Giant's situation Yeah there is nothing wrong with that thought pattern. IMO Simmons is a type of player that we really have never seen. Closest thing was Urlacher that played S and LB in college but Simmons is a LB with world class speed and the ability to cover WRs lol. Thomas is a stud but it's not something we have not seen before. McGlinchey, Stanley, Tunsil all in recent years are as good or better than Thomas. Simmons is so unique there is no telling how they will rate him, they could rate him poorly based on that; but they could rate him "touched" as well lol. |
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 11:33:46 GMT -5
I can see that. I just dont have the attitude of taking a "Simmons" if you have a "Thomas" and its also a huge need. Jone's and the offense have to be the primary concern if one was to triage the Giant's situation Yeah there is nothing wrong with that thought pattern. IMO Simmons is a type of player that we really have never seen. Closest thing was Urlacher that played S and LB in college but Simmons is a LB with world class speed and the ability to cover WRs lol. Thomas is a stud but it's not something we have not seen before. McGlinchey, Stanley, Tunsil all in recent years are as good or better than Thomas. Simmons is so unique there is no telling how they will rate him, they could rate him poorly based on that; but they could rate him "touched" as well lol. I wouldnt be upset of course if they drafted Simmons. I just dont see them doing it |
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Post by Martin on Mar 28, 2020 12:46:04 GMT -5
Yeah there is nothing wrong with that thought pattern. IMO Simmons is a type of player that we really have never seen. Closest thing was Urlacher that played S and LB in college but Simmons is a LB with world class speed and the ability to cover WRs lol. Thomas is a stud but it's not something we have not seen before. McGlinchey, Stanley, Tunsil all in recent years are as good or better than Thomas. Simmons is so unique there is no telling how they will rate him, they could rate him poorly based on that; but they could rate him "touched" as well lol. I wouldnt be upset of course if they drafted Simmons. I just dont see them doing it sorry to butt in.... same here with Simmons but OT and the Oline in general is critical. First off we cannot waste the years left that Barkley has with a sub par Oline. Give our best player a good oline and watch what happens. Also DJ needs to have a running game and must have protection early in his career. It may not be sexy but get this oline going. |
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 12:48:43 GMT -5
I wouldnt be upset of course if they drafted Simmons. I just dont see them doing it sorry to butt in.... same here with Simmons but OT and the Oline in general is critical. First off we cannot waste the years left that Barkley has with a sub par Oline. Give our best player a good oline and watch what happens. Also DJ needs to have a running game and must have protection early in his career. It may not be sexy but get this oline going. agreed.... even if they trade back a few spots they will still land one of the top three OTs/O-linemen |
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Post by giantstepz on Mar 28, 2020 13:14:13 GMT -5
Is it possible that with all these TE signings and the 2 TE offense that the Giants want to run that they will roll with Solder, Fleming and Gates and select Simmons? to me signing a guy like Thomlinson has zero bearing on the draft board for the NYGs. What do they need more? A top flight LB or a top flight OT? I say OT and its not even close. But thats just me If Gettleman is to believed and they will draft "the best player available" on their board, it doesn't matter who they "need more". No OT is rated in the top 4. Okudah and Simmons are both rated higher than any OL.
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Post by babybulls on Mar 28, 2020 13:23:00 GMT -5
And you’ve seen their grades?
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 14:02:01 GMT -5
to me signing a guy like Thomlinson has zero bearing on the draft board for the NYGs. What do they need more? A top flight LB or a top flight OT? I say OT and its not even close. But thats just me If Gettleman is to believed and they will draft "the best player available" on their board, it doesn't matter who they "need more". No OT is rated in the top 4. Okudah and Simmons are both rated higher than any OL.
who says they go BPA for each round? |
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Post by Martin on Mar 28, 2020 14:10:27 GMT -5
If the oline was in a good place I could see going BPA in round one but IMO what holds the giants back is the oline.
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 28, 2020 15:10:25 GMT -5
Wait did DG sign him? Oh yeah he is a moron. If he ends up being great clearly Judge signed him. if we have a good team this year a lot of people will be jumping on the Gettleman band wagon.. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 15:25:55 GMT -5
Wait did DG sign him? Oh yeah he is a moron. If he ends up being great clearly Judge signed him. if we have a good team this year a lot of people will jumping on the Gettleman band wagon.. I doubt it. Haters don't change their stripes, they just change their direction of attack. It's already beginning. If we have a great team this year they will bash DG and give Judge all the credit (even though Judge is here because DG hired him lol).
People bashed Eli for his entire career, people bashed Reese his entire time here. Winning Super Bowls didn't really change much, just gave the smarter fans more ammo to defend them with.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 15:36:40 GMT -5
If the oline was in a good place I could see going BPA in round one but IMO what holds the giants back is the oline. We always point out that DG never traded back before, well he also doesn't go OL in round 1.
OG round 4 - Injured never played OG round 3 - 5 time Pro Bowler OT round 4 - 2nd Team All Pro OT round 2 - Started 32 of 40 games as pro so far (this was their third pick that draft) OG round 2 - Started 32 of 32 games as a pro so far OT round 7 - Injured never played
Seems to have an ability to find guys after round 1 to play OL. Even if the fan base does not have confidence in him to do it I would think he believes in himself to do it. Now you take a GM with a track record of finding OL in mid rounds and give him the deepest OL draft in recent memory and my bet would be that he goes BPA in round 1.
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Post by Martin on Mar 28, 2020 17:05:43 GMT -5
If the oline was in a good place I could see going BPA in round one but IMO what holds the giants back is the oline. We always point out that DG never traded back before, well he also doesn't go OL in round 1.
OG round 4 - Injured never played OG round 3 - 5 time Pro Bowler OT round 4 - 2nd Team All Pro OT round 2 - Started 32 of 40 games as pro so far (this was their third pick that draft) OG round 2 - Started 32 of 32 games as a pro so far OT round 7 - Injured never played
Seems to have an ability to find guys after round 1 to play OL. Even if the fan base does not have confidence in him to do it I would think he believes in himself to do it. Now you take a GM with a track record of finding OL in mid rounds and give him the deepest OL draft in recent memory and my bet would be that he goes BPA in round 1.
I must admit I go back and forth with this.  |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 17:10:51 GMT -5
I must admit I go back and forth with this. No worries haha. I am really just glad I don't have to make the decision. I do try to take my preferences out of my predictions though and look at all the facts on the table. Even with all this info I believe if they rate an OT close to the top of the board they will take him. I don't think they will though. |
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 28, 2020 21:37:43 GMT -5
to me signing a guy like Thomlinson has zero bearing on the draft board for the NYGs. What do they need more? A top flight LB or a top flight OT? I say OT and its not even close. But thats just me If Gettleman is to believed and they will draft "the best player available" on their board, it doesn't matter who they "need more". No OT is rated in the top 4. Okudah and Simmons are both rated higher than any OL.
They should pick bpa at 4, regardless. Even if that's a wr. |
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