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Post by Morehead State on Apr 15, 2020 8:31:02 GMT -5
Who should we pick? Wills Who will we pick? I still think trading down is likely. 6, 9 or 12 are the likely spots to land. I won't be surprised if Thomas or Becton are picked with either the Alabama or LSU LB or center being the next pick. I'm really starting to wonder if any team will trade up into the top 4 given that "maybe" Tua is falling due to his medical questions.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 15, 2020 8:49:21 GMT -5
I'm a little concerned about drafting an OT in round 1 since we have had such little success with the OTs we get, no matter who we bring in at OT it hasn't helped, and wasting a pick at #4 would be a disaster to a team needing so much help all around the roster, drafting Simmons would be IMO a plug and play success story...
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 15, 2020 9:10:57 GMT -5
I'm a little concerned about drafting an OT in round 1 since we have had such little success with the OTs we get, no matter who we bring in at OT it hasn't helped, and wasting a pick at #4 would be a disaster to a team needing so much help all around the roster, drafting Simmons would be IMO a plug and play success story... Not having success drafting a certain position in the past (especially under a different regime) should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not we draft that position at 4.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 15, 2020 9:37:42 GMT -5
Should Take: Wirfs - after trade down Will Take: Wirfs - no trade down
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 15, 2020 11:19:06 GMT -5
I'm a little concerned about drafting an OT in round 1 since we have had such little success with the OTs we get, no matter who we bring in at OT it hasn't helped, and wasting a pick at #4 would be a disaster to a team needing so much help all around the roster, drafting Simmons would be IMO a plug and play success story... Not having success drafting a certain position in the past (especially under a different regime) should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not we draft that position at 4. Nwvermimd the fact any of the fab 4 we take would already be better fundamentally than Flowers ever was,or anyone of recent vintage that we have a legit chance at.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 15, 2020 11:19:46 GMT -5
Should Take: Wirfs - after trade down Will Take: Wirfs - no trade down More and more smoke with Wirfs every day Hoping this is true
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 15, 2020 12:28:19 GMT -5
FWIW Jeremiah seems to be switching to Wills... But it's:"I would take ......"
So I'm wondering if its He would take Wills He thinks Wirfs ...
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 15, 2020 15:51:30 GMT -5
I'm a little concerned about drafting an OT in round 1 since we have had such little success with the OTs we get, no matter who we bring in at OT it hasn't helped, and wasting a pick at #4 would be a disaster to a team needing so much help all around the roster, drafting Simmons would be IMO a plug and play success story... Not having success drafting a certain position in the past (especially under a different regime) should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not we draft that position at 4. it just makes me uneasy to take an O tackle at the #4 spot and have him turn into a slug, I know the draft is a big crapshoot but I just get the feeling that drafting Simmons might be a safer bet..
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 15, 2020 17:27:33 GMT -5
I will say that I am officially holding out hope that Joe is making the final call on our 1st round pick, which I believe would be Isaiah Simmons.
But with the virus, and the inability to meet with players and also have good medical info, I fear that Dave will try to muscle Joe out.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 15, 2020 18:22:19 GMT -5
I will say that I am officially holding out hope that Joe is making the final call on our 1st round pick, which I believe would be Isaiah Simmons. But with the virus, and the inability to meet with players and also have good medical info, I fear that Dave will try to muscle Joe out. lol...if the pick is who MS wants, it was made by Judge; if the pick is not who MS wants, it was made by Gettleman
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 15, 2020 18:43:56 GMT -5
I will say that I am officially holding out hope that Joe is making the final call on our 1st round pick, which I believe would be Isaiah Simmons. But with the virus, and the inability to meet with players and also have good medical info, I fear that Dave will try to muscle Joe out. lol...if the pick is who MS wants, it was made by Judge; if the pick is not who MS wants, it was made by Gettleman Absolutely.
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Post by Bigjeep on Apr 15, 2020 19:37:52 GMT -5
Looking at our FA signings, it will be a OL at 4 or trade down for two! PS - You supply the names!
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 17, 2020 8:47:25 GMT -5
I'll just say this.... If some folks are saying we "should" draft one of the O linemen...that's fine. But you are all saying it because you think it's a "need".
So don't give me any more of the "BPA" nonsense. You all seem to be suggesting we go to need and on the best player.
Just sayin'
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 17, 2020 11:07:20 GMT -5
I'll just say this.... If some folks are saying we "should" draft one of the O linemen...that's fine. But you are all saying it because you think it's a "need". So don't give me any more of the "BPA" nonsense. You all seem to be suggesting we go to need and on the best player. Just sayin' My particular top 10 BPA Young Burrow Okudah Thomas* Wills* Wirfs* Lamb Brown Jeudy Simmons *fluctuate on a daily if not hourly basis. Sorry that my personal BPA list doesn't coincide with yours.. Your making this again into something that isn't there,because people disagree with you Remember BPA is a guide Its also weighed by positional value and need at times Taking one of the tackles at 4 is nowhere near the reach some are making it.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 17, 2020 11:38:26 GMT -5
I'll just say this.... If some folks are saying we "should" draft one of the O linemen...that's fine. But you are all saying it because you think it's a "need". So don't give me any more of the "BPA" nonsense. You all seem to be suggesting we go to need and on the best player. Just sayin' The Giants don't need an Olinemen, they need 3..... Also, very few teams actually draft BPA, they draft BPA at a position of need. This does blow up in the teams face at times....
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Post by roundabout on Apr 17, 2020 12:22:18 GMT -5
I'll just say this.... If some folks are saying we "should" draft one of the O linemen...that's fine. But you are all saying it because you think it's a "need". So don't give me any more of the "BPA" nonsense. You all seem to be suggesting we go to need and on the best player. Just sayin' The Giants don't need an Olinemen, they need 3..... Also, very few teams actually draft BPA, they draft BPA at a position of need. This does blow up in the teams face at times.... I won't be disappointed if we go OT,Center with our first 2 picks...……..How are you feeling man?
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 17, 2020 12:27:14 GMT -5
I'll just say this.... If some folks are saying we "should" draft one of the O linemen...that's fine. But you are all saying it because you think it's a "need". So don't give me any more of the "BPA" nonsense. You all seem to be suggesting we go to need and on the best player. Just sayin' The Giants don't need an Olinemen, they need 3..... Also, very few teams actually draft BPA, they draft BPA at a position of need. This does blow up in the teams face at times.... Fab 4 guy of choice at 4 or wherever Day 2 starting C Get a developmental guy day 3 for T. (Go medical competitive advantage with Trey Adams,let his injuries have another year of healing ....he was arguably the best tackle in 2017 )
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Post by lasion2 on Apr 17, 2020 13:40:13 GMT -5
I have Thomas and Wills at 1a/1b in whatever order with Wirfs right behind. Becton a distant 4th. I can’t discount all the buzz on Wirfs. I’d like to think it’s part of a screen game, but I can’t remember if DG ever delved into that type of deception play here or in Carolina. I’d be ok with Wirfs straight up or in a trade back.
Should: Do everything to trade back and get one of the top 3 above. Or take Wills/Thomas straight up.
Will: Simmons
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 17, 2020 16:23:22 GMT -5
Should: Simmons Will: Simmons
I think Judge wants to go with Thomas but Gettleman will put his foot down and take Simmons. (See what I did there)
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 17, 2020 16:31:14 GMT -5
I'll just say this.... If some folks are saying we "should" draft one of the O linemen...that's fine. But you are all saying it because you think it's a "need". So don't give me any more of the "BPA" nonsense. You all seem to be suggesting we go to need and on the best player. Just sayin' The Giants don't need an Olinemen, they need 3..... Also, very few teams actually draft BPA, they draft BPA at a position of need. This does blow up in the teams face at times.... I know they don't. Some fans think they do.
I agree O line is a big need and it's clear that's why they want us to draft one of those 4. I think the best player that will be available to us is Simmons. I really think Joe would prefer him as well.
Let's see what happens.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 17, 2020 16:39:58 GMT -5
The Giants don't need an Olinemen, they need 3..... Also, very few teams actually draft BPA, they draft BPA at a position of need. This does blow up in the teams face at times.... I know they don't. Some fans think they do.
I agree O line is a big need and it's clear that's why they want us to draft one of those 4. I think the best player that will be available to us is Simmons. I really think Joe would prefer him as well.
Let's see what happens.
He is one of the top players in the draft so I wouldn't cry about it. It's not the way I would go but like you said, "Let's see what happens".
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 18, 2020 9:20:22 GMT -5
I'm a little concerned about drafting an OT in round 1 since we have had such little success with the OTs we get, no matter who we bring in at OT it hasn't helped, and wasting a pick at #4 would be a disaster to a team needing so much help all around the roster, drafting Simmons would be IMO a plug and play success story... Not having success drafting a certain position in the past (especially under a different regime) should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not we draft that position at 4. what you say here makes sense but I'm still very skeptical based on passed performances...
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 18, 2020 11:59:14 GMT -5
Not having success drafting a certain position in the past (especially under a different regime) should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not we draft that position at 4. what you say here makes sense but I'm still very skeptical based on passed performances... You do realize we have a completely different scouting department since 2015 And the now top 3 tackles are actually pro ready and all have superior technique than Flowers..
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 18, 2020 17:41:34 GMT -5
lol...if the pick is who MS wants, it was made by Judge; if the pick is not who MS wants, it was made by Gettleman Absolutely.
Let me ask you this - if we take Wills, will that be a Gettleman pick given Judge’s Alabama connections?
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 18, 2020 17:45:05 GMT -5
Let me ask you this - if we take Wills, will that be a Gettleman pick given Judge’s Alabama connections?
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 18, 2020 21:24:06 GMT -5
Let me ask you this - if we take Wills, will that be a Gettleman pick given Judge’s Alabama connections? Ask me if it happens. I'll be able to conjure up something by then.
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Post by Delicreep on Apr 19, 2020 7:35:40 GMT -5
We should - Becton We will - Becton
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 19, 2020 8:24:09 GMT -5
We should - Becton We will - Becton Only if we trade down. After some drug testing violation at the combine, I see no chance he's taken at 4.
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Post by Delicreep on Apr 19, 2020 8:27:29 GMT -5
We should - Becton We will - Becton Only if we trade down. After some drug testing violation at the combine, I see no chance he's taken at 4. He's the Hog Molliest of the linemen I personally, albeit with limited research, see him as the highest floor and the highest ceiling.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 19, 2020 8:33:17 GMT -5
We should - Becton We will - Becton I think his failed test makes this unlikely.
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