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Post by TCHOF on Apr 20, 2020 15:11:54 GMT -5
Suppose that the trade market to move down just doesn't really develop at all, and you get an offer, but it's a weak one.
Art Stapleton put this question out there today - suppose that Carolina offers you pick number 69 (top of 3rd) to move up from 7 to 4, and you can still get the OT that you want. Do you do it?
I would do it if that's the best offer they get.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 20, 2020 15:18:45 GMT -5
Unless they want Simmons. Then 7 may not be high enough
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 15:42:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm guessing they will reach a consensus among the OT's...if they go that way vs Brown, Okudah or that other guy, and will not risk losing that player.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 20, 2020 15:54:43 GMT -5
does anybody know if Simmons is rated higher than the OTs in round1..if he is then its a no brainer IMO ..
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 20, 2020 16:21:49 GMT -5
does anybody know if Simmons is rated higher than the OTs in round1..if he is then its a no brainer IMO .. Only matters how the Giants have them all rated … and none of us know that |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2020 16:46:49 GMT -5
I would
Getting the same player and in effect our 3rd rounder back from last year's trade in a key spot for the draft..
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Post by imgrate on Apr 20, 2020 17:49:30 GMT -5
Depends on what happens in the 2 and 3 slots. Assuming Burrow at 1 is foregone conclusion. 2 is 95% in my random percentage assignment, Redskins could trade back and so could Lions.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 20, 2020 20:18:55 GMT -5
I would not risk losing the player I want for that pick. It would have to be higher than that, like their 2nd rounder at minimum.
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Post by infinite420 on Apr 20, 2020 20:44:29 GMT -5
Suppose that the trade market to move down just doesn't really develop at all, and you get an offer, but it's a weak one. Art Stapleton put this question out there today - suppose that Carolina offers you pick number 69 (top of 3rd) to move up from 7 to 4, and you can still get the OT that you want. Do you do it? I would do it if that's the best offer they get. Id make that deal. The jump from 7 to 4 is worth 75 points, the 69 pick is worth 71. This draft is loaded. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 20, 2020 20:56:22 GMT -5
does anybody know if Simmons is rated higher than the OTs in round1..if he is then its a no brainer IMO .. From what I have read is scouts are all over the place on him some love him some think he is mid first. So with that said if one of those teams can get up and get him he will go early. Seen him at 4 or 5 and the tackles from 6 through 13. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 20, 2020 21:01:00 GMT -5
Suppose that the trade market to move down just doesn't really develop at all, and you get an offer, but it's a weak one. Art Stapleton put this question out there today - suppose that Carolina offers you pick number 69 (top of 3rd) to move up from 7 to 4, and you can still get the OT that you want. Do you do it? I would do it if that's the best offer they get. I would take it that would make 11 picks and 2 third rounders. Deep draft anything extra would be great. |
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Post by bringsimmsback on Apr 20, 2020 21:05:06 GMT -5
I'd do it.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 20, 2020 21:26:26 GMT -5
does anybody know if Simmons is rated higher than the OTs in round1..if he is then its a no brainer IMO .. is there only one absolute rating system? |
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 21, 2020 0:03:53 GMT -5
does anybody know if Simmons is rated higher than the OTs in round1..if he is then its a no brainer IMO .. From what I have read is scouts are all over the place on him some love him some think he is mid first. So with that said if one of those teams can get up and get him he will go early. Seen him at 4 or 5 and the tackles from 6 through 13. I haven’t seen mid 1st anywhere. No way they have any of these tackles/guards ahead of Simmons. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 21, 2020 7:09:35 GMT -5
If you are going to bypass the player you covet. That player has to be an acceptable loss in order for any trade to merit consideration.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2020 8:20:09 GMT -5
From what I have read is scouts are all over the place on him some love him some think he is mid first. So with that said if one of those teams can get up and get him he will go early. Seen him at 4 or 5 and the tackles from 6 through 13. I haven’t seen mid 1st anywhere. No way they have any of these tackles/guards ahead of Simmons. Thats not from media draft guys. it's from scouts from teams supposedly what they worry about is as one put it he isn't a top 5 line backer or any other position he has played. This is from guys who work for draft pubs and talk to teams to get there info. |
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Post by infinite420 on Apr 21, 2020 9:54:26 GMT -5
I haven’t seen mid 1st anywhere. No way they have any of these tackles/guards ahead of Simmons. Thats not from media draft guys. it's from scouts from teams supposedly what they worry about is as one put it he isn't a top 5 line backer or any other position he has played. This is from guys who work for draft pubs and talk to teams to get there info. Hes a tweener, Im confused why people dont get that. Too skinny to play LBer full time, hell get washed out regularly. Hes too lengthy to play CB or S full time, and hes not exactly a premiere pass rusher. Id say the 10-15 range is appropriate for a guy like him. Ill say it again, imagine a guy with the body of Evan Engram, playing D and holding up against O-lineman in the run game, wont be pretty. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 21, 2020 10:15:07 GMT -5
Thats not from media draft guys. it's from scouts from teams supposedly what they worry about is as one put it he isn't a top 5 line backer or any other position he has played. This is from guys who work for draft pubs and talk to teams to get there info. Hes a tweener, Im confused why people dont get that. Too skinny to play LBer full time, hell get washed out regularly. Hes too lengthy to play CB or S full time, and hes not exactly a premiere pass rusher. Id say the 10-15 range is appropriate for a guy like him. Ill say it again, imagine a guy with the body of Evan Engram, playing D and holding up against O-lineman in the run game, wont be pretty. He has the athletic ability to prove everyone wrong to me it is just risky. Especially when you have maybe the most gifted runner catcher in the league what we have seen has been fantastic but Think if they can do what they do for Zeke in Dallas get him to the second level he can be devastating. In turn that will help Jones a ton and open up the passing game because if Barkely doesn't have the ball he will be in the pattern. Just think OL is the way to go the talent is there this year colleges don't develop them like they used to. Good time to get it done any other draft Simmons / Okudah would be acceptable. |
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 21, 2020 15:10:46 GMT -5
does anybody know if Simmons is rated higher than the OTs in round1..if he is then its a no brainer IMO .. is there only one absolute rating system? its probably the system that agrees with ours... |
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 21, 2020 15:15:21 GMT -5
does anybody know if Simmons is rated higher than the OTs in round1..if he is then its a no brainer IMO .. Only matters how the Giants have them all rated … and none of us know that I asked because everything I read on him is that he is a coming superstar, but I'm too old now to start believing media hype... |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2020 16:22:59 GMT -5
is there only one absolute rating system? its probably the system that agrees with ours... and there in lies the rub...  |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 21, 2020 17:03:28 GMT -5
I would not do it. The means they want a QB. Leaving Miami and the Chargers picking before us. The Panthers will have taken one of their QBs, if not the one QB both wanted. Leaves the door open to miss our guy.
Now if Miami wants the trade for just one 2nd round pick I would do it. I don't even know I would trade with them for less than a 2nd. Still a risk.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 21, 2020 17:07:09 GMT -5
Only matters how the Giants have them all rated … and none of us know that I asked because everything I read on him is that he is a coming superstar, but I'm too old now to start believing media hype... Most people (maybe all? not sure) that put out ratings have him rated as one of the best players in the draft. I don't think any of the OTs are rated that high. The only thing that matters is how DG rates them though. It just takes one to make him our pick.
All of the OTs are rated as very damn good players though by everyone I have seen. They are not getting pushed up the board because of their position, they deserve to all go in the top 15, but I think 1 may get pushed lower just because there are 4 of them.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 21, 2020 17:37:53 GMT -5
Suppose that the trade market to move down just doesn't really develop at all, and you get an offer, but it's a weak one. Art Stapleton put this question out there today - suppose that Carolina offers you pick number 69 (top of 3rd) to move up from 7 to 4, and you can still get the OT that you want. Do you do it? I would do it if that's the best offer they get. I still wouldn't do it, considering how much other teams have gotten in the past to move up in the first round like that. I understand the "something is better than nothing" concept, but I am not budging from 4 unless I am getting at least an offer that is comparable to a similar deal in the recent past. This is the haul that the 49ers got from Bears just for them to move up one spot and what was done with the picks: Bears give 49ers a fortune to take QB of the future Bears receive: » 2017 first-round pick (No. 2): Mitchell Trubisky, QB, North Carolina 49ers receive: » 2017 first-round pick (No. 3): Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford » 2017 third-round pick (No. 67) -- traded to Saints » 2017 fourth-round pick (No. 111) -- traded to Seahawks » 2018 third-round pick If I am the Giants, I am not budging unless I get something close to this. |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 21, 2020 18:11:16 GMT -5
Suppose that the trade market to move down just doesn't really develop at all, and you get an offer, but it's a weak one. Art Stapleton put this question out there today - suppose that Carolina offers you pick number 69 (top of 3rd) to move up from 7 to 4, and you can still get the OT that you want. Do you do it? I would do it if that's the best offer they get. I still wouldn't do it, considering how much other teams have gotten in the past to move up in the first round like that. I understand the "something is better than nothing" concept, but I am not budging from 4 unless I am getting at least an offer that is comparable to a similar deal in the recent past. This is the haul that the 49ers got from Bears just for them to move up one spot and what was done with the picks: Bears give 49ers a fortune to take QB of the future Bears receive: » 2017 first-round pick (No. 2): Mitchell Trubisky, QB, North Carolina 49ers receive: » 2017 first-round pick (No. 3): Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford » 2017 third-round pick (No. 67) -- traded to Saints » 2017 fourth-round pick (No. 111) -- traded to Seahawks » 2018 third-round pick If I am the Giants, I am not budging unless I get something close to this. So you’ll sit and take the same player you would have gotten at 7? |
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Post by mj312 on Apr 21, 2020 22:51:54 GMT -5
Simmons will be a beast .. he's an athletic playmaker that can do it all on defense .. Simmons will make this team better then any tackle in this draft will . If we take a tackle at 4 and the defense still sucks causing us to lose , gettleman will be gone and deservedly so
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 22, 2020 6:04:17 GMT -5
Simmons will be a beast .. he's an athletic playmaker that can do it all on defense .. Simmons will make this team better then any tackle in this draft will . If we take a tackle at 4 and the defense still sucks causing us to lose , gettleman will be gone and deservedly so With the additions in FA, and new coaching staff/defensive philosophy, I expect them to be significantly better. I also anticipate improvement in play from last year's rookies and sophomores. I see Simmons covering a lot of holes, and giving our defense scheme flexibility within the same personnel grouping, but I'm not convinced he's going to be dominant at any one thing, which is why my preference is with our top O Lineman of the 4 (I like Thomas, personally, would be fine with Wills or Wirfs, most leery of Becton). |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 22, 2020 8:51:10 GMT -5
Listened to BBK with Casserly yesterday he doesn't believe the Giants are gonna get much if any interest in trading that pick. Something that makes little sense to me that he said is Miami is looking for a Tackle and might move up to 3 to get the one they want. The Giants if they get a shot to move down better not go to far because there are several teams in the top 10 that could draft one.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 22, 2020 8:53:45 GMT -5
Simmons will be a beast .. he's an athletic playmaker that can do it all on defense .. Simmons will make this team better then any tackle in this draft will . If we take a tackle at 4 and the defense still sucks causing us to lose , gettleman will be gone and deservedly so If they fire a guy for trying to get the OL right they should sell the team. |
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Post by giantstepz on Apr 22, 2020 18:17:53 GMT -5
You cannot guess which prospects will be drafted at 4, 5 and 6 if you trade down. Let's imagine Getty wants Wills and will settle for Wirfs. He makes the trade and Wills and Wirfs are gone by the time the Giants draft. So now they have to settle for third choice. I'm not happy with the #4 worst team having to settle for their third-rated OL. They should have their pick of any lineman and they need it and deserve it. But keep in mind that the best linebacker is ranked ahead of any OL. I can't blame Dave if he also see it that way. This defense did stink up the stadium last year. The choice seems like a toss-up and that's what makes this Draft so intriguing.
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