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Post by TCHOF on Sept 3, 2018 19:59:21 GMT -5
Never had a chance... no trade = no team With everything said about Webb good or bad... I give him credit for the composure he displayed throughout last year so I thought he earned a right to compete but it was over when they selected Lauletta. So now we can add Webb to the list of wasted picks... 3rd rounder too. Im not sure in the 10 years Reese was here he hit on 1 3rd round pick. Not 1. Manningham
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 3, 2018 20:01:04 GMT -5
Hmm? Did this quote cost Davis Webb his Job? That kinda goes with the theme of Shurmur saying they "Wanted An Adult" Source: www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/08/12_random_observations_after_giants_22-16_win_vs_j.htmlSo the Quote came out on the 25th which was last Tuesday, then he doesn't play at all on Thursday, then they're trying to trade him on Friday then ultimately just Waived him. So maybe the joking around about Eli Athleticism on top of just wanting to get as far away from the McAdoo ERA as possible! Strange Situation Overall! You can’t be serious
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 3, 2018 20:08:18 GMT -5
Im not sure in the 10 years Reese was here he hit on 1 3rd round pick. Not 1. Manningham Yeah I ran the list after you quoted me 2017 - Webb 2016 - D Thompson AKA Footsy 2015 - Odiggy Ohnowayhecanplay 2014 - Jay Bromley Huge Reach and Im a Cuse fan 2013 - D Monsta Moore 2012 - Jayron Hosely 2011 - Jerrel Jernigan 2010 - Chad Jones 2009 - Barden and Beckum or Bust a Bust 2008 - Mario Manningham! Saves the day! 2007 - Jay Alford..... eh Pretty freaking terrible.
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Post by ocgiant on Sept 3, 2018 20:38:11 GMT -5
Never had a chance... no trade = no team With everything said about Webb good or bad... I give him credit for the composure he displayed throughout last year so I thought he earned a right to compete but it was over when they selected Lauletta. So now we can add Webb to the list of wasted picks... 3rd rounder too. Im not sure in the 10 years Reese was here he hit on 1 3rd round pick. Not 1. LEts see: 2017 - Webb 2016 - D Thompson AKA Footsy 2015 - Odiggy Ohnowayhecanplay 2014 - Jay Bromley Huge Reach and Im a Cuse fan 2013 - D Monsta Moore 2012 - Jayron Hosely 2011 - Jerrel Jernigan 2010 - Chad Jones 2009 - Barden and Beckum or Bust a Bust 2008 - Mario Manningham! Saves the day! 2007 - Jay Alford..... eh That is absolutely embarrassing. Gettleman should just cut Apple and Flowers to prove a point. I guess until Second Chance - Apple & By Default - Flowers are purged... the legacy of Reese continues to be board fodder
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Post by desertash on Sept 3, 2018 21:43:49 GMT -5
How do you convince the CT crowd of the obvious, that Webb simply wasn't that good? The theories for why he was shown the door run the gamut, mostly entertaining...but those calling character into question are simply misled.
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Post by lt56 on Sept 3, 2018 21:50:15 GMT -5
Hmm? Did this quote cost Davis Webb his Job? That kinda goes with the theme of Shurmur saying they "Wanted An Adult" Source: www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/08/12_random_observations_after_giants_22-16_win_vs_j.htmlSo the Quote came out on the 25th which was last Tuesday, then he doesn't play at all on Thursday, then they're trying to trade him on Friday then ultimately just Waived him. So maybe the joking around about Eli Athleticism on top of just wanting to get as far away from the McAdoo ERA as possible! Strange Situation Overall! I'm gonna go with that Webb lost his job because the coach believed lauletta has a higher ceiling,teams don't dump a quality QBs because of a Joke or who drafted them, to important of a position and not enough quality QBs to go around. Could be as simple as that. Was just an unexpected move so I guess I'm reaching
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 3, 2018 22:00:15 GMT -5
I'm gonna go with that Webb lost his job because the coach believed lauletta has a higher ceiling,teams don't dump a quality QBs because of a Joke or who drafted them, to important of a position and not enough quality QBs to go around. Could be as simple as that. Was just an unexpected move so I guess I'm reaching But it wasn't a choice between Webb and Lauletta. It was a choice between Tanney and Webb.
Lauletta was going to be on the team no matter what.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 3, 2018 22:40:10 GMT -5
I'm gonna go with that Webb lost his job because the coach believed lauletta has a higher ceiling,teams don't dump a quality QBs because of a Joke or who drafted them, to important of a position and not enough quality QBs to go around. Could be as simple as that. We all were shocked but after the shock some logic slowly seeps in for all of us,I just figured it's hard to find QBs so I think if Shurmer did feel strongly about Webb he would be here, and so far he hasn't been picked up think it will happen but doesn't look like there is a rush for his services,I'm as surprised as everyone I liked the kid.
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Post by nyer on Sept 4, 2018 0:12:23 GMT -5
A guy who is okey dokey with Eli thinks Webb was too cavalier with the football? Interesting. This, all day! Did all the Giants fans from 2003 forget what Eli was like when he was drafted. Gimme a break with all this Webb is garbage when he never got a fair shot last year. How does anyone here know this for a fact is beyond me (and preseason doesn’t tell us anything about this kids potential). Some of y’all will believe anything the FO feeds you. Personally, Gettleman hasn’t earned one iota of my trust so far with the way he’s handled the draft and the offseason period. I wish Webb the best and hope he does well with competent management and leadership. The Giants are still an absolute mess with this old fart running things. Due diligence my arse!
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Post by desertash on Sept 4, 2018 1:30:40 GMT -5
Cleared waivers. Let that sink in for a spell.
What chance should a QB that apparently isn't in much demand at all get?
The kid's timing, accuracy and footwork were all on display and it was not good.
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Post by Eazy E on Sept 4, 2018 7:09:42 GMT -5
Agreed, the league is stating the obvious. He would have been scooped up if he was wanted. The raiders qb guru coach said no thanks we want mcarron. There it is.
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Post by Speedman on Sept 4, 2018 9:32:17 GMT -5
A guy who is okey dokey with Eli thinks Webb was too cavalier with the football? Interesting. This, all day! Did all the Giants fans from 2003 forget what Eli was like when he was drafted. Gimme a break with all this Webb is garbage when he never got a fair shot last year. How does anyone here know this for a fact is beyond me (and preseason doesn’t tell us anything about this kids potential). Some of y’all will believe anything the FO feeds you. Personally, Gettleman hasn’t earned one iota of my trust so far with the way he’s handled the draft and the offseason period. I wish Webb the best and hope he does well with competent management and leadership. The Giants are still an absolute mess with this old fart running things. Due diligence my arse! You still pissed that he didn't draft a QB at 2?
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Post by nyer on Sept 4, 2018 12:05:20 GMT -5
Cleared waivers. Let that sink in for a spell. What chance should a QB that apparently isn't in much demand at all get? The kid's timing, accuracy and footwork were all on display and it was not good. Whether he cleared waivers or not is irrelevant here. Giants fans didn’t get to see him play last season so what do they do, they draft another QB (not where they were supposed to with the #2 pick) and we still don’t get to see Webb this season (except for a very small sample size). I’m sure the rest of the league wasn’t impressed by his preseason snaps but the kid deserved another shot to get over his jitters. We gave Elisha all the time in th world to get over his from 2003-2006 (and we still are) so why not at least give him more playing time before waiving him, a fair shot. What could we lose after last yrs horrid QB play? The bigger picture here is the way the Giants do business. They don’t pick up a QB with the #2 pick, nor do they trade back to acquire more assets ignoring important positions like CB and safety, and nobody knows if the Giants are rebuilding or trying to win it all. A little transparency would go a long way but not if it threatens ticket sales I guess
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 12:27:48 GMT -5
what head coaching vacancy? we have had a head coach for most of the off season it was the second thing we did after getting Gettleman so I doubt the comment about the head coaching vacancy had anything to do with it. DG has referred to shurmur as an "adult" multiple times and gave that as a main reason why shurmur was hired as the head coach. that and because he would work with Eli. That is the common denominator for getting a job at Giants HQ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 12:49:10 GMT -5
Never had a chance... no trade = no team With everything said about Webb good or bad... I give him credit for the composure he displayed throughout last year so I thought he earned a right to compete but it was over when they selected Lauletta. So now we can add Webb to the list of wasted picks... 3rd rounder too. Im not sure in the 10 years Reese was here he hit on 1 3rd round pick. Not 1. LEts see: 2017 - Webb 2016 - D Thompson AKA Footsy 2015 - Odiggy Ohnowayhecanplay 2014 - Jay Bromley Huge Reach and Im a Cuse fan 2013 - D Monsta Moore 2012 - Jayron Hosely 2011 - Jerrel Jernigan 2010 - Chad Jones 2009 - Barden and Beckum or Bust a Bust 2008 - Mario Manningham! Saves the day! 2007 - Jay Alford..... eh That is absolutely embarrassing. Gettleman should just cut Apple and Flowers to prove a point. Being as though I was around our forums for every single one of those draft picks I can safely say most around here were ecstatic about these picks (with the exception of Webb) when they were made. JR doesn't get the benefit of hindsight like some folks around here. With that being said, anyone with any familiarity of how scouting departments work is that the GM hires a whole group of.. scouts! to dig in and make sure that the middle round picks are solid. It was a NYG issue, not a JR one. GM typically only hand scouts the first two picks, of which the Giants have been among the best in the league. Its honestly shocking how little most fans understand yet they get fired up in seconds without really understanding. Gettlemen can't cut Apple or Flowers, he did nothing to acquire depth at those key positions this off season, throw safety in there too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 12:58:31 GMT -5
Im not sure in the 10 years Reese was here he hit on 1 3rd round pick. Not 1. LEts see: 2017 - Webb 2016 - D Thompson AKA Footsy 2015 - Odiggy Ohnowayhecanplay 2014 - Jay Bromley Huge Reach and Im a Cuse fan 2013 - D Monsta Moore 2012 - Jayron Hosely 2011 - Jerrel Jernigan 2010 - Chad Jones 2009 - Barden and Beckum or Bust a Bust 2008 - Mario Manningham! Saves the day! 2007 - Jay Alford..... eh That is absolutely embarrassing. Gettleman should just cut Apple and Flowers to prove a point. It was a NYG issue, not a JR one. Exactly. I don’t care what people thought of JR at this point but the real issue is that our entire scouting department was BLOWING it big time. There is also ownership family influence in the scouting department which is not good in terms of getting things changed. Like Gettleman or not, one thing that seemed to be good was he shook up that whole group. We will see if it ends up helping but at the very least they got Marc Ross out and changed the way those guys operate. Maybe some new hires in there too..who knows. But yeah NYG scouts were sucking. Just look at them all drooling over Andre Williams on that documentary.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 15:07:48 GMT -5
It was a NYG issue, not a JR one. Exactly. I don’t care what people thought of JR at this point but the real issue is that our entire scouting department was BLOWING it big time. There is also ownership family influence in the scouting department which is not good in terms of getting things changed. Like Gettleman or not, one thing that seemed to be good was he shook up that whole group. We will see if it ends up helping but at the very least they got Marc Ross out and changed the way those guys operate. Maybe some new hires in there too..who knows. But yeah NYG scouts were sucking. Just look at them all drooling over Andre Williams on that documentary.Lol they thought he would be a game changer when in reality he was just a really bad RB, even in college he was running through massive holes and had little change of direction ability. For those that condemn and solely hold JR responsible for our lack of productive mid round draft picks I want to ask you what you think Marc Ross did all of those years?
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Post by Jomo on Sept 6, 2018 17:23:24 GMT -5
It was a NYG issue, not a JR one. Exactly. I don’t care what people thought of JR at this point but the real issue is that our entire scouting department was BLOWING it big time. There is also ownership family influence in the scouting department which is not good in terms of getting things changed. Like Gettleman or not, one thing that seemed to be good was he shook up that whole group. We will see if it ends up helping but at the very least they got Marc Ross out and changed the way those guys operate. Maybe some new hires in there too..who knows. But yeah NYG scouts were sucking. Just look at them all drooling over Andre Williams on that documentary. I know that Reese didn't feel responsible for anything (bad)....I heard it from him over and over particularly with TCs departure. The draft was all decided on as a group, never accepting that the buck stopped with him. Didn't the lowly scouting staff at least report to him and didn't he decide who stayed and who went...…….or was that also not in his purvue? This guy seems to have had less authority than any GM in the history of this league, or at least he dodges responsibility with the best of them.
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