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Post by TCHOF on Apr 23, 2020 7:00:14 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 23, 2020 7:05:07 GMT -5
"The 42nd pick would help the Giants make up for losing the 68th overall pick in the trade for Leonard Williams"
Great....
If we trade back for picks, I want the Jags 2 first rounders. Anything less I tell em to back off unless they throw in Ngakoue with a reasonable contract.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 23, 2020 7:12:48 GMT -5
I think it's a touch light an offer as well. Personally, I'm staying away from Ngakoue, he'll be too expensive, don't see him signing a reasonable offer.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 23, 2020 7:20:39 GMT -5
"The 42nd pick would help the Giants make up for losing the 68th overall pick in the trade for Leonard Williams" Great.... If we trade back for picks, I want the Jags 2 first rounders. Anything less I tell em to back off unless they throw in Ngakoue with a reasonable contract. I would actually be fine with this. One or more of the OT’s or Simmons will still be there at 9 and we will pick up a high second rounder. Maybe we get to 9 and there are still a few guys we like there and we move back to 11 and get our 3rd rounder back from the Jets! |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 23, 2020 7:23:22 GMT -5
I think it's a touch light an offer as well. Personally, I'm staying away from Ngakoue, he'll be too expensive, don't see him signing a reasonable offer. I want nothing to do with Ngakoue. Sounds like they are trying to trade him to the Raiders for the #12? Doesn’t make sense for Raiders to pay him the same amount they refused to pay Mack. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 23, 2020 7:24:51 GMT -5
"The 42nd pick would help the Giants make up for losing the 68th overall pick in the trade for Leonard Williams" Great.... If we trade back for picks, I want the Jags 2 first rounders. Anything less I tell em to back off unless they throw in Ngakoue with a reasonable contract. I would actually be fine with this. One or more of the OT’s or Simmons will still be there at 9 and we will pick up a high second rounder. Maybe we get to 9 and there are still a few guys we like there and we move back to 11 and get our 3rd rounder back from the Jets! Dropping from 4 to 9 is worth more than a 2nd round pick IMO. In those 5 picks we could lose our top OT and LB on our board. I think if they trade back, they have to make it worth it. |
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Post by bringsimmsback on Apr 23, 2020 7:37:18 GMT -5
The return is a little low but there is a lot of buzz that no one is too interested in trading up. If that is the case, the market is what it is. If that is the case, if I'm the Giants and I have 5 players all closely rated who are still on the board, I do it, regardless of what draft trade charts say is equal value.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 23, 2020 8:09:18 GMT -5
I would actually be fine with this. One or more of the OT’s or Simmons will still be there at 9 and we will pick up a high second rounder. Maybe we get to 9 and there are still a few guys we like there and we move back to 11 and get our 3rd rounder back from the Jets! Dropping from 4 to 9 is worth more than a 2nd round pick IMO. In those 5 picks we could lose our top OT and LB on our board. I think if they trade back, they have to make it worth it. If that's the best offer you have when you are on the clock, are you taking it? I am. |
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Post by infinite420 on Apr 23, 2020 8:16:33 GMT -5
Dropping from 4 to 9 is worth more than a 2nd round pick IMO. In those 5 picks we could lose our top OT and LB on our board. I think if they trade back, they have to make it worth it. If that's the best offer you have when you are on the clock, are you taking it? I am. I take that trade in a NY minute |
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Apr 23, 2020 8:19:47 GMT -5
If that's the best offer you have when you are on the clock, are you taking it? I am. I take that trade in a NY minute I also take that trade but, I wait the full ten minutes hoping to get a better offer lol |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 23, 2020 8:27:52 GMT -5
Dropping from 4 to 9 is worth more than a 2nd round pick IMO. In those 5 picks we could lose our top OT and LB on our board. I think if they trade back, they have to make it worth it. If that's the best offer you have when you are on the clock, are you taking it? I am. Not if I think Im losing my top pick of OT. I understand the importance of getting more picks, but in this case I just dont think the juice is worth the squeeze. If they feel like they ranked Wills, Thomas and Wirfs all the same, and all 3 are still there, then maybe they would do that. Tough to say without the scenario played out. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 23, 2020 8:29:21 GMT -5
Read about this yesterday. Man they could trade themselves out of the top 3 tackles think Becton would be there probably. |
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 23, 2020 8:29:22 GMT -5
"The 42nd pick would help the Giants make up for losing the 68th overall pick in the trade for Leonard Williams" Great.... If we trade back for picks, I want the Jags 2 first rounders. Anything less I tell em to back off unless they throw in Ngakoue with a reasonable contract. I would actually be fine with this. One or more of the OT’s or Simmons will still be there at 9 and we will pick up a high second rounder. Maybe we get to 9 and there are still a few guys we like there and we move back to 11 and get our 3rd rounder back from the Jets! That's just not enough to move back from 4 to 9. We would have to get the 20th pick with it, |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 23, 2020 8:32:08 GMT -5
If that's the best offer you have when you are on the clock, are you taking it? I am. Not if I think Im losing my top pick of OT. I understand the importance of getting more picks, but in this case I just dont think the juice is worth the squeeze. If they feel like they ranked Wills, Thomas and Wirfs all the same, and all 3 are still there, then maybe they would do that. Tough to say without the scenario played out. Well, you have to make the call before the scenario plays out. That's kind of the point |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 23, 2020 8:32:58 GMT -5
I would actually be fine with this. One or more of the OT’s or Simmons will still be there at 9 and we will pick up a high second rounder. Maybe we get to 9 and there are still a few guys we like there and we move back to 11 and get our 3rd rounder back from the Jets! That's just not enough to move back from 4 to 9. We would have to get the 20th pick with it, And if the best you could do is the 42nd pick, you would sit tight at 4 and draft your guy? I guess the Simmons people would say no to the deal, because it is not likely that he would be there at 9. The pro-OT fans would probably be more in favor of the deal. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 23, 2020 8:33:51 GMT -5
Dropping from 4 to 9 is worth more than a 2nd round pick IMO. In those 5 picks we could lose our top OT and LB on our board. I think if they trade back, they have to make it worth it. If that's the best offer you have when you are on the clock, are you taking it? I am. I would take it but they better beware of movers coming up for tackles Bucs need to protect old lead feet the Cards are gonna need one even tho they have a lot of money tied up in there OL and there are others lurking. |
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 23, 2020 8:35:10 GMT -5
Not if I think Im losing my top pick of OT. I understand the importance of getting more picks, but in this case I just dont think the juice is worth the squeeze. If they feel like they ranked Wills, Thomas and Wirfs all the same, and all 3 are still there, then maybe they would do that. Tough to say without the scenario played out. Well, you have to make the call before the scenario plays out. That's kind of the point I also think Jax is willing to play it out with Minshew. I think they want to give him the chance to develop. The kid looks like he will be a solid NFL QB. I would be surprised if they trade up for a QB, especially since Herbert is as much or more of a question mark as Minshew and Tua has the obvious health concerns. They would be well served to keep those picks.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 23, 2020 8:37:41 GMT -5
If that's the best offer you have when you are on the clock, are you taking it? I am. I would take it but they better beware of movers coming up for tackles Bucs need to protect old lead feet the Cards are gonna need one even tho they have a lot of money tied up in there OL and there are others lurking. Well, if you assume that the top 8 picks will include Burrow, Young, Tua, Herbert and Okudah, that means 2 of the following will be available at 9: the 4 OT's, Simmons. |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 23, 2020 8:38:37 GMT -5
Well, you have to make the call before the scenario plays out. That's kind of the point I also think Jax is willing to play it out with Minshew. I think they want to give him the chance to develop. The kid looks like he will be a solid NFL QB. I would be surprised if they trade up for a QB, especially since Herbert is as much or more of a question mark as Minshew and Tua has the obvious health concerns. They would be well served to keep those picks.
I don't think that Minshew will ever be a top 50% NFL starter. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 23, 2020 8:45:29 GMT -5
True but getting the one you want not the one you have to take goes a long way. I think they should shoot for a 2 next year to. I want the pick but I am happy right now with 10 picks for the second year in a row. Have to remember the last 6 or 7 years we been going with 6 or 7 picks a draft. If he does it I won't be upset at all.
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Post by JoeyCush on Apr 23, 2020 8:46:33 GMT -5
Boy am I happy Im not the one making that decision.
I just dont know who Jacksonville would be looking to trade up for. They are in a good spot right now with Minshew. If he plays well, maybe they found their QB and if not, they are in prime position for Lawrence or Fields in 21.
Looking at Jax transactions this offseason, it just has a major tank feel to it. Trading away Bouye, Campbell, Foles and actively shopping Ngakoue. Last year trading away Ramsey and netting a first this year and next. I know all clubs say teams dont try and lose but if there was ever a moment I would say this is it.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 23, 2020 8:46:36 GMT -5
I also think Jax is willing to play it out with Minshew. I think they want to give him the chance to develop. The kid looks like he will be a solid NFL QB. I would be surprised if they trade up for a QB, especially since Herbert is as much or more of a question mark as Minshew and Tua has the obvious health concerns. They would be well served to keep those picks.
I don't think that Minshew will ever be a top 50% NFL starter. Well they traded Foles. I think hat clears the way for Minshew.
Look at his rookie year...It was damned good. Better than our guy.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 23, 2020 8:46:37 GMT -5
Not if I think Im losing my top pick of OT. I understand the importance of getting more picks, but in this case I just dont think the juice is worth the squeeze. If they feel like they ranked Wills, Thomas and Wirfs all the same, and all 3 are still there, then maybe they would do that. Tough to say without the scenario played out. Well, you have to make the call before the scenario plays out. That's kind of the point You would at least have to wait until your pick is on the clock. Or I would anyway. Imagine we made this trade now and Chase Young falls to 4... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 23, 2020 8:47:12 GMT -5
True but getting the one you want not the one you have to take goes a long way. I think they should shoot for a 2 next year to. I want the pick but I am happy right now with 10 picks for the second year in a row. Have to remember the last 6 or 7 years we been going with 6 or 7 picks a draft. If he does it I won't be upset at all.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 23, 2020 8:47:28 GMT -5
I also think Jax is willing to play it out with Minshew. I think they want to give him the chance to develop. The kid looks like he will be a solid NFL QB. I would be surprised if they trade up for a QB, especially since Herbert is as much or more of a question mark as Minshew and Tua has the obvious health concerns. They would be well served to keep those picks.
I don't think that Minshew will ever be a top 50% NFL starter. Based off what? BEcasue he was a 6th round pick? |
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Post by jb456 on Apr 23, 2020 8:48:29 GMT -5
"The 42nd pick would help the Giants make up for losing the 68th overall pick in the trade for Leonard Williams" Great.... If we trade back for picks, I want the Jags 2 first rounders. Anything less I tell em to back off unless they throw in Ngakoue with a reasonable contract. Yeah, you are right. They would get a 1st and a 3rd to move up that high in the draft? This is a weak haul and if they lose out on their desired #1, makes no sense IMO... |
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Post by jb456 on Apr 23, 2020 8:52:36 GMT -5
Well, you have to make the call before the scenario plays out. That's kind of the point You would at least have to wait until your pick is on the clock. Or I would anyway. Imagine we made this trade now and Chase Young falls to 4... You are killing it today. 100% right. This is a weak trade and in way should be made in advance of the draft. |
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Post by sundown on Apr 23, 2020 8:58:13 GMT -5
I’d take that trade. The strength of this draft is in round 2. Having two picks high picks in the 2nd would yield great prospects
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Post by jb456 on Apr 23, 2020 9:08:28 GMT -5
I don't think that Minshew will ever be a top 50% NFL starter. Well they traded Foles. I think hat clears the way for Minshew.
Look at his rookie year...It was damned good. Better than our guy.
You think they are trading up for Simmons or another player? This is a pretty big jump and would put them in range to select a QB. A agree that Minshew looked really good and grabbing a QB would seem foolish... |
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Post by infinite420 on Apr 23, 2020 9:09:50 GMT -5
If that's the best offer you have when you are on the clock, are you taking it? I am. Not if I think Im losing my top pick of OT. I understand the importance of getting more picks, but in this case I just dont think the juice is worth the squeeze. If they feel like they ranked Wills, Thomas and Wirfs all the same, and all 3 are still there, then maybe they would do that. Tough to say without the scenario played out. At least 1 of Wirfs, Wills, Thomas will he there at 9. Getting an extra 2nd essentially gives us 3 starters instead of 2 in the first two rounds. When I look at that 42, I get really excited!! That puts in position for a stud WR or starting Center, and makes that 36 pick a trade chip to get back into the 1st round. Im in 100% |
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