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Post by Blue Hulk on May 4, 2020 15:05:47 GMT -5
Knowing all that you know now and two years of Saquon. Would you still take him?
With the following players available?
Josh Allen the QB Sam Darnold Bradley Chubb Quentin Nelson Orlando Brown Mike Mcglinchey Lamar Jackson Leighton Vanderbilt Esch Phillip Lindsay - Rb grow on trees
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Post by sundown on May 4, 2020 15:12:01 GMT -5
I would have still taken Barkley, but would have drafted Brown in the 3rd instead Carter. You’d have Barkley, Hernandez and brown!
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 4, 2020 15:15:13 GMT -5
Are you saying taking all those guys at #2? Or a trade back?
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Post by Kruunch on May 4, 2020 15:23:46 GMT -5
I hope this thread goes well. I fear the Barkley fanatics (and yes we have them) will come out with their pitchforks and demand a sacrifice for the reason this thread was brought up. Now who would we pick knowing what we know now. I would think most would take Lamar Jackson. But, would he still be Superman with us? In Baltimore was the perfect fit and system for him. Quentin Nelson? Arguably the best guard in the sport. And from what I remember no one wanted to draft him at #2. Sam Darnold ? I know many won’t admit this. But at one time a good majority of fans wanted him. What was the saying? “Suck for Sam.” Josh Allen ? I don’t think anyone would have wanted him at #2. We had a few who liked his game. But to draft him second overall? That takes balls the size of watermelons. Bradley Chubb? He would have filled a much needed position, and would have been an immediate starter day 1. The rest were not on our radar. So I won’t mention them.
Barkley from all accounts was the best player in that draft. A great kid with the talent to match. A player a franchise can build around. The only negative was he plays a position that is deemed not important. So what do you do? Do you go with your gut? Select the best in the draft regardless of his position? Do you draft a QB which all the experts were saying the best class since ‘04? Do you trade back and hope you can still grab your guy? Life of a GM, your decisions will be ridiculed, dissected, and discussed for years. They don’t get the opportunity of a do over or hindsight. They go with they choices and live and die by them. I’m by no means a fan of Gettleman, I think he’s a pompous ass who has most likely forgotten more than we will ever know about this game. But, he went with his guy. Barkley was his player for better or worse. A star running back that is considered a “gold jacket player”
Now who would I draft knowing all we would know? My brain says Lamar Jackson, he played on a different stratosphere this season. My heart says Nelson, a guard who will be there for over a decade and in time will be in Canton. But I also have a soft spot for Barkley. Before that draft I had two players on my list. Nelson and Barkley. I felt, we would win no matter what with these two players. So, as we can see I’m in a bit of a conundrum.
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 4, 2020 15:26:11 GMT -5
Trade back. We could have had the world if we traded back.
Imagine trading back and getting Chubb and Nelson. If fans rather have Barkley than a pass rush and improved O-line... I don’t know what else to say
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Post by JoeBigBlue on May 4, 2020 15:27:43 GMT -5
I wanted Barkley then and I'd want him now.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on May 4, 2020 15:28:35 GMT -5
Trade back. We could have had the world if we traded back. Imagine trading back and getting Chubb and Nelson Ok you didn't make that clear and if that's the case then I'm for it.
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 4, 2020 15:30:31 GMT -5
I wanted Barkley then and I'd want him now. The heart wants what the heart wants..lol but in football terms, how do you justify the pick? I consistently said I wanted to trade the pick or take Sam Darnold. Josh Allen could have been had with Quentin Nelson. Saquon is a luxury pick. U don’t draft him and leave the cupboard bare
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 4, 2020 15:32:01 GMT -5
Knowing all that you know now and two years of Saquon. Would you still take him? With the following players available? Josh Allen the QB Sam Darnold Bradley Chubb Quentin Nelson Orlando Brown Mike Mcglinchey Lamar Jackson Leighton Vanderbilt Esch Phillip Lindsay - Rb grow on trees I would take a trade back. He is better then everyone on the list . Only Nelson is his equal in talent
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 4, 2020 15:34:43 GMT -5
Knowing all that you know now and two years of Saquon. Would you still take him? With the following players available? Josh Allen the QB Sam Darnold Bradley Chubb Quentin Nelson Orlando Brown Mike Mcglinchey Lamar Jackson Leighton Vanderbilt Esch Phillip Lindsay - Rb grow on trees I would take a trade back. He is better then everyone on the list . Only Nelson is his equal in talent Lamar Jackson just might have more rushing yards than Barkley. If not then it’s damn close
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 4, 2020 15:37:45 GMT -5
Saquon has 2310 career yards
Jackson has 1901....but in all purpose yards.....not even close
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Post by McCherry on May 4, 2020 15:38:37 GMT -5
Nelson would be the only player that met our needs/value at #4. Nobody knew he'd be this good, so let's not even start that. If the Giants drafted a Guard with the 4th pick all HELL would've broken loose that day...
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Post by Delicreep on May 4, 2020 15:41:53 GMT -5
I wanted Barkley then and I'd want him now. The heart wants what the heart wants..lol but in football terms, how do you justify the pick?I consistently said I wanted to trade the pick or take Sam Darnold. Josh Allen could have been had with Quentin Nelson. Saquon is a luxury pick. U don’t draft him and leave the cupboard bare It's relatively easy...ownership wanted to provide what they thought was the best piece to take one more shot with Eli.
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Post by Kruunch on May 4, 2020 15:49:03 GMT -5
Nelson would be the only player that met our needs/value at #4. Nobody knew he'd be this good, so let's not even start that. If the Giants drafted a Guard with the 4th pick all HELL would've broken loose that day... This isn’t true at all. Nelson coming out of College was considered a Generational type talent at the guard position. So much that most experts thought he would go second overall to us. Some thought Nelson at 2 was too high. But he went 6th overall and the Colts are thanking the other 5 teams for passing on him.
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Post by Kruunch on May 4, 2020 15:51:21 GMT -5
Knowing all that you know now and two years of Saquon. Would you still take him? With the following players available? Josh Allen the QB Sam Darnold Bradley Chubb Quentin Nelson Orlando Brown Mike Mcglinchey Lamar Jackson Leighton Vanderbilt Esch Phillip Lindsay - Rb grow on trees I would take a trade back. He is better then everyone on the list . Only Nelson is his equal in talent Lamar Jackson won the MVP last year unanimously. In only his 2nd season. It’s safe to say he’s better than Barkley.
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Post by lasion2 on May 4, 2020 16:04:25 GMT -5
I was clamoring for a trade back and shoot for Nelson, Chubb, Darius Leonard. Of course, I still think I’m right 😋.
FWIW I was fine, and am fine, with Barkley at 2.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 4, 2020 16:05:24 GMT -5
I would take a trade back. He is better then everyone on the list . Only Nelson is his equal in talent Lamar Jackson just might have more rushing yards than Barkley. If not then it’s damn close I was all for a trade back and taking Jackson later. Then again lets see if he lasts running the way he is took a creative offensive mind to unlock his potential in hind sight sure.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 4, 2020 16:07:43 GMT -5
I would take a trade back. He is better then everyone on the list . Only Nelson is his equal in talent Lamar Jackson won the MVP last year unanimously. In only his 2nd season. It’s safe to say he’s better than Barkley. Vey easy in hind sight not many thought he was close to any of the top 10 or 15 talent the crystal ball would have helped here. At the time of the draft he was valued right where he was drafted.
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Post by Kruunch on May 4, 2020 16:10:59 GMT -5
Lamar Jackson won the MVP last year unanimously. In only his 2nd season. It’s safe to say he’s better than Barkley. Vey easy in hind sight not many thought he was close to any of the top 10 or 15 talent the crystal ball would have helped here. At the time of the draft he was valued right where he was drafted. This thread is all about hindsight. I’ll ask you, it’s ‘81 draft. You’re the Saints, are you drafting George Rodgers who rushed for a league high 1,674 yards. Or some kid from North Carolina by the name of Lawrence Taylor?
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 4, 2020 16:11:05 GMT -5
Nelson would be the only player that met our needs/value at #4. Nobody knew he'd be this good, so let's not even start that. If the Giants drafted a Guard with the 4th pick all HELL would've broken loose that day... Drafting a guard in the top 10 is more acceptable to me than a running back. None of my favorite giants rbs were first rounders except rowdy Rodney Hampton
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Post by Kruunch on May 4, 2020 16:15:56 GMT -5
And let’s be clear. If Daniel Jones had the numbers that Lamar Jackson had last year there wouldn’t be enough napkins to wipe all the saliva off the mouths of this fan base.
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Post by Jomo on May 4, 2020 16:18:46 GMT -5
This is a variation on the "with the benefit of hindsight" thread except that Barkley has been all that we could have expected up to this point. The answer btw is yes.
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Post by McCherry on May 4, 2020 16:35:29 GMT -5
Trade back. We could have had the world if we traded back.Imagine trading back and getting Chubb and Nelson. If fans rather have Barkley than a pass rush and improved O-line... I don’t know what else to say Even if the offers were garbage as Gettleman told us?
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Post by allnygin on May 4, 2020 16:37:14 GMT -5
Barkley is great and I love the fact he is on the team, but in hindsight.. no way. Knowing what we know now we could've gotten Nelson and probaably another runnning back that while not as dynamic would suffice. Barkley is limited until this team is actually good. A RB is not going to win you games unless he has a decent team around him, so therefore his value is not as high on this team as it would be elsewhere, yet anyway.
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Post by jimmieray on May 4, 2020 16:37:26 GMT -5
And let’s be clear. If Daniel Jones had the numbers that Lamar Jackson had last year there wouldn’t be enough napkins to wipe all the saliva off the mouths of this fan base. Jones fixes his ball control issues, and he's probably our team's franchise QB for a dozen years. Jackson will not last long the way he wrecklessly runs, and he does not have the option of changing that style in order to so. The Ravens will be in a bit of trouble needing a new QB in a year or two, with poor draft position to do it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 4, 2020 16:37:37 GMT -5
Vey easy in hind sight not many thought he was close to any of the top 10 or 15 talent the crystal ball would have helped here. At the time of the draft he was valued right where he was drafted. This thread is all about hindsight. I’ll ask you, it’s ‘81 draft. You’re the Saints, are you drafting George Rodgers who rushed for a league high 1,674 yards. Or some kid from North Carolina by the name of Lawrence Taylor? I will stay out of these from now on because hind sight has no point in real life if we could live life in hind sight and fix all of our mistakes it be all sunshine and rainbows. lol I can't say George Rodgers Taylor was also highly touted and I remember for me and all my friends we were praying that LT was gonna be the pick we needed some luck.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 4, 2020 16:39:30 GMT -5
Barkley is great and I love the fact he is on the team, but in hindsight.. no way. Knowing what we know now we could've gotten Nelson and probaably another runnning back that while not as dynamic would suffice. Barkley is limited until this team is actually good. A RB is not going to win you games unless he has a decent team around him, so therefore his value is not as high on this team as it would be elsewhere, yet anyway. Really until you have an OL in place even a top their QB isn't gonna help hopefully we got it right now there will be some growing pains tho.
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Post by allnygin on May 4, 2020 16:40:39 GMT -5
Barkley is great and I love the fact he is on the team, but in hindsight.. no way. Knowing what we know now we could've gotten Nelson and probaably another runnning back that while not as dynamic would suffice. Barkley is limited until this team is actually good. A RB is not going to win you games unless he has a decent team around him, so therefore his value is not as high on this team as it would be elsewhere, yet anyway. Really until you have an OL in place even a top their QB isn't gonna help hopefully we got it right now there will be some growing pains tho. exactly.
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Post by McCherry on May 4, 2020 16:43:44 GMT -5
And let’s be clear. If Daniel Jones had the numbers that Lamar Jackson had last year there wouldn’t be enough napkins to wipe all the saliva off the mouths of this fan base. Jones looked pretty good too. Why would we have any regrets? The Giants were never drafting Lamar Jackson.
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Post by ratbastich on May 4, 2020 16:47:52 GMT -5
No matter who we would've/could've drafted we still had Shurmur
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