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Post by Sarcasman on May 4, 2020 16:50:07 GMT -5
I'm still mad about all the talent we missed out on in the 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 drafts. There are multiple better players from each year that would have been preferable.
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Post by Kruunch on May 4, 2020 16:51:19 GMT -5
And let’s be clear. If Daniel Jones had the numbers that Lamar Jackson had last year there wouldn’t be enough napkins to wipe all the saliva off the mouths of this fan base. Jones fixes his ball control issues, and he's probably our team's franchise QB for a dozen years. Jackson will not last long the way he wrecklessly runs, and he does not have the option of changing that style in order to so. The Ravens will be in a bit of trouble needing a new QB in a year or two, with poor draft position to do it. So Jones fixes his ball control issues he’s “probably” our teams franchise quarterback for a dozen years. Jackson on the other hand plays recklessly and will not last long. And the Ravens will be in a bit of trouble changing their style in order to do so? Am I getting this right? And what are you basing this off? A hunch? Robert Griffin III? Or a magic 8 ball that not only is a nice decorative piece in your living room, but a great way to know what’s going to happen in the future. I’m a Giants fan but my lord this is far fetched to say the least. Want another crack at this?
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Post by Kruunch on May 4, 2020 16:52:28 GMT -5
And let’s be clear. If Daniel Jones had the numbers that Lamar Jackson had last year there wouldn’t be enough napkins to wipe all the saliva off the mouths of this fan base. Jones looked pretty good too. Why would we have any regrets? The Giants were never drafting Lamar Jackson. Never said regrets. Jones was good, Jackson has been great. Let’s not confuse the two.
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Post by TCHOF on May 4, 2020 16:55:06 GMT -5
Trade back. We could have had the world if we traded back.Imagine trading back and getting Chubb and Nelson. If fans rather have Barkley than a pass rush and improved O-line... I don’t know what else to say Even if the offers were garbage as Gettleman told us? Nope, he admitted on WFAN that he got at least one "reasonable" offer before we actually got on the clock and he ordered everyone to stop answering the phones.
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Post by Kruunch on May 4, 2020 17:00:37 GMT -5
I'm still mad about all the talent we missed out on in the 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 drafts. There are multiple better players from each year that would have been preferable. Want to talk about it champ?
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Post by jimmieray on May 4, 2020 17:04:44 GMT -5
Jones fixes his ball control issues, and he's probably our team's franchise QB for a dozen years. Jackson will not last long the way he wrecklessly runs, and he does not have the option of changing that style in order to so. The Ravens will be in a bit of trouble needing a new QB in a year or two, with poor draft position to do it. So Jones fixes his ball control issues he’s “probably” our teams franchise quarterback for a dozen years. Jackson on the other hand plays recklessly and will not last long. And the Ravens will be in a bit of trouble changing their style in order to do so? Am I getting this right? And what are you basing this off? A hunch? Robert Griffin III? Or a magic 8 ball that not only is a nice decorative piece in your living room, but a great way to know what’s going to happen in the future. I’m a Giants fan but my lord this is far fetched to say the least. Want another crack at this? No thanks, I'll stay with that prediction.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 4, 2020 17:25:49 GMT -5
I'm still mad about all the talent we missed out on in the 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 drafts. There are multiple better players from each year that would have been preferable. Want to talk about it champ? Nah, but thanks, coach. I felt I was over it until this Susquehanna Hat Company of thread dragged me back in. Aaron ****in Donald
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 4, 2020 17:32:20 GMT -5
By the way, the correct answer right now is Lamar Jackson guys. Action packed star franchise QB? No brainer with Eli on his way out.
And I certainly was not high on Lamar coming out. I still think we need to see him do it a few years, but what he did last year was quite amazing.
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 4, 2020 19:17:38 GMT -5
Damn...Mods tried to kill this thread off by sending it to the dungeon...lol
This isn't an anti Barkley thread....
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Post by Fletch842 on May 5, 2020 5:55:32 GMT -5
By the way, the correct answer right now is Lamar Jackson guys. Action packed star franchise QB? No brainer with Eli on his way out. And I certainly was not high on Lamar coming out. I still think we need to see him do it a few years, but what he did last year was quite amazing. Let's face it, if we took Lamar, Shurms would have tried to convert him to a pocket passer.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 5, 2020 6:14:44 GMT -5
By the way, the correct answer right now is Lamar Jackson guys. Action packed star franchise QB? No brainer with Eli on his way out. And I certainly was not high on Lamar coming out. I still think we need to see him do it a few years, but what he did last year was quite amazing. Let's face it, if we took Lamar, Shurms would have tried to convert him to a pocket passer. Shumur wanted Daniel Jones. IMO, Shurmur wanted to move on from Eli and was handcuffed, much like McAdoo. I dont know what these coaches would have done with a Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, but we dont know what they wouldnt have done either if they had him.
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Post by GameTime on May 6, 2020 7:50:51 GMT -5
Damn...Mods tried to kill this thread off by sending it to the dungeon...lol This isn't an anti Barkley thread.... how was is sent to the "dungeon"?
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Post by piddy283 on May 6, 2020 11:01:03 GMT -5
Knowing all that you know now and two years of Saquon. Would you still take him? With the following players available? Josh Allen the QB Sam Darnold Bradley Chubb Quentin Nelson Orlando Brown Mike Mcglinchey Lamar Jackson Leighton Vanderbilt Esch Phillip Lindsay - Rb grow on trees I still take Barkley, hands down. Nelson and Chubb were the only other non-QB's I would've considered, and I still like both players. I simply think Barkley is a game changer, and a player defenses have to key on. He makes everyone else around him better due to the attention he demands. Couldn't be happier with him.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 6, 2020 11:23:42 GMT -5
Knowing all that you know now and two years of Saquon. Would you still take him? With the following players available? Josh Allen the QB Sam Darnold Bradley Chubb Quentin Nelson Orlando Brown Mike Mcglinchey Lamar Jackson Leighton Vanderbilt Esch Phillip Lindsay - Rb grow on trees I still take Barkley, hands down. Nelson and Chubb were the only other non-QB's I would've considered, and I still like both players. I simply think Barkley is a game changer, and a player defenses have to key on. He makes everyone else around him better due to the attention he demands. Couldn't be happier with him. I'll agree with this Remember Him and Odell were supposed to make the offense unbelievable,which is why it hurt to pass on all this dynamic talent to replace what Odell brought this year (thought i understand why we had to and finally getting the line fixed had to be done the way we did..ane why my demand for 2021 is to get this guy in Waddle,Chase,ect when we have tbe chance to be the fun,dynamic,exciting and most importantly super bowl winning caliber dominant in 2021) You put a guy like this behind a great o line..top end QB and 2 dynamic weapons outside to get the safeties out of the box and force them into a shell... Barkley could set records year after year in total yards from scrimmage
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Post by lexington11 on May 7, 2020 9:49:42 GMT -5
Knowing all that you know now and two years of Saquon. Would you still take him? With the following players available? Josh Allen the QB Sam Darnold Bradley Chubb Quentin Nelson Orlando Brown Mike Mcglinchey Lamar Jackson Leighton Vanderbilt Esch Phillip Lindsay - Rb grow on trees 100% With an actual oline Barkley is deadly. We can do this for just about every pick in every round of every draft. What’s the point? We have a good young qb, an electric back, and hopefully an oline now. Future should be bright.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 10:48:46 GMT -5
No hindsight needed... The biggest mistake this DG run franchise made was drafting a running back at 2, and not scooping up the picks needed to replenish the total rebuild that was needed at the time. This delayed the process of rebuilding as it made a following year's rookie QB's life hell with pressure and no ability to hand the ball off as the neglected OL could not create the holes needed for a visionless Barkly to go through, and soon realizing that one simply does not outrun everybody in the NFL towards the edge. Any of the QB's left that year, Allen, Darnold or Rosen...even Jackson before hindsight if he was a QB with a 1st round grade for the Giants....they were the correct picks at 2, a QB and the value over any RB. In hindsight?...that takes years, and possibly a career before making comparisons. Teams offer a lot for QB's in a draft, and to take a RB vs the supplies we could have had was crippling, and the reason we continued to be picking so early every year, and begun the revolving door at leadership. IMHO, the reason they went with a weapon of the lowest positional value was because they thought, the Giants...they had one or two more shots with Eli. They sure got that one wrong. Sadly, fans were still trying to avoid the OL this year, and actually believe Solder was/is the body to keep on the left side and allowing another year of Jones, a franchise QB and Barkley who needs lanes between the tackles, more agony...and suggested, we can find instant starters later in the draft. IMHO, mind boggling for me.... All rehashed again, but the fact is, we now have Barkley and Jones, and the Giants finally did the obvious correct thing in building the OL with the draft, while signing a swing tackle...thus allowing Barkley to become a hopefully intense weapon again, and allowing Daniel Jones more play action time. All signs now point up. All IMHO of course.
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