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Post by DandyDon on May 12, 2020 22:21:49 GMT -5
Are you claiming you know where you would be if they had not locked down? I get no one can convince you of much, but are you really claiming you are also an expert at epidemics? Even if they totally opened up the entire state tomorrow, 80% of people would still not participate in most activities. I get the frustration, just not the amateurs that think they can watch the news and know more than professionals. So now you not only claim to know what I think. You also know what 80 present of the population will do. You should be running the country. I have no idea what you think, but we've seen the silly positions you have taken in the past. If it's a choice between me and you running the country, I'm betting on me. At least I know what I dont know, and dont pretend otherwise.
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Post by Delicreep on May 12, 2020 22:23:57 GMT -5
I don't disagree that the economy needs to get going again. It's critically important. And maybe once we get through this thing we can finally focus on some of the significant problems this economy has. I seriously doubt this is the last time we're going to see something like this in our lifetimes. We better hope it is. Because if the only solution to the problem is to nullify the Constitution . We are doomed as a nation. We are the strongest, hardest working, most determined nation on the planet...we are in a bad place and it's going to be like that for a while, but I have absolutely no question that we will rebuild stronger than we are now. And just so it's clear - I personally will loss money, maybe an asset or two, but nothing I spent a lifetime building. I can't even imagine what that would be like, and it has happened and will happen for years. On the very first day of New York shut down, a restaurant called and told me that she would not be reopening. Just done. Horrible to hear.
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Post by Delicreep on May 12, 2020 22:27:23 GMT -5
TEM...there is a national policy from Trump, and a pretty good effort by Trump to get states to ignore that policy. Morehead's Governor could care less what Fauci says. If you looked state by state, I would bet way more than 1/2 don't care. Your Governor does, as does mine (although both are using their own medical teams to make decisions). Well that's not completely true. Our governor is a Dem. and was quick to shut down the state. Now there are a total of 20 active cases currently in the state. We have no reason not to start opening. We went three days without a single new case and even when we get new cases, it's usually one or two in a day.
And BTW..the CDC guidelines for opening up are a joke. They are statistically impossible. Even here we haven't had 14 straight days with fewer cases each day....even though we've often had no new cases in a day. Everything happens in a jagged line. If we have no new cases for 3 days and then have one the next...the clock has to start all over again.
It's impossible.
Ah...I picked your Gov randomly...Texas Gov then. And my region of NY hit 7 of 7 markers to reopen in phase 1. My company is in phase II, so a few more weeks and I'm back to work!
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 22:29:38 GMT -5
So now you not only claim to know what I think. You also know what 80 present of the population will do. You should be running the country. I have no idea what you think, but we've seen the silly positions you have taken in the past. If it's a choice between me and you running the country, I'm betting on me. At least I know what I dont know, and dont pretend otherwise. Putting your faith in unelected bureaucrats in Washington is how tyranny rears it's ugly head.
I say challenge everything they say, especially when they presume to have the power to control our daily lives.
There IS a thing called the US Constitution. Show me where they have the power you seem happy to hand them.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 12, 2020 22:33:03 GMT -5
Fair enough. I didn't hear what he said today. But "Your middleclass existence is of no consequence" is a pretty start message. I'm glad I never watch that nonsense. To say the lock down must be adhered or it is a bleak outcome without offering any other method to curb the spread, is basically saying all in the middleclass and below that income level do not matter. I see your frustration, TEM and it's understandable. I agree with Morehead and Deli that this won't hold much longer and when things do reopen there will likely be a spike in cases. The medical community is working on solutions for that and the government needs to make all the other decisions, particularly the economic decisions. Isn't Pence in charge of that team? I would think he'd have a say in policy on this.
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 22:37:46 GMT -5
To say the lock down must be adhered or it is a bleak outcome without offering any other method to curb the spread, is basically saying all in the middleclass and below that income level do not matter. I see your frustration, TEM and it's understandable. I agree with Morehead and Deli that this won't hold much longer and when things do reopen there will likely be a spike in cases. The medical community is working on solutions for that and the government needs to make all the other decisions, particularly the economic decisions. Isn't Pence in charge of that team? I would think he'd have a say in policy on this. There may be a spike in cases but I doubt there would be much of a spike in deaths. Those folks who are susceptible know who they are and will take special care, along with there loved ones to protect themselves.
This "one size fits all....everyone stay home" policy will be discussed for a long time as a foolish decision....Maybe a catastrophic decision.
I am struck by the fact that in NY, 66% of hospitalization for Covid are from people sheltering at home.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 12, 2020 22:38:08 GMT -5
I have no idea what you think, but we've seen the silly positions you have taken in the past. If it's a choice between me and you running the country, I'm betting on me. At least I know what I dont know, and dont pretend otherwise. Putting your faith in unelected bureaucrats in Washington is how tyranny rears it's ugly head.
I say challenge everything they say, especially when they presume to have the power to control our daily lives.
There IS a thing called the US Constitution. Show me where they have the power you seem happy to hand them.
Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 22:41:41 GMT -5
Putting your faith in unelected bureaucrats in Washington is how tyranny rears it's ugly head.
I say challenge everything they say, especially when they presume to have the power to control our daily lives.
There IS a thing called the US Constitution. Show me where they have the power you seem happy to hand them.
Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite. I don't believe that. Or at least I don't believe we deserve this kind of overreach. In short order, we won't permit it.
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Post by DandyDon on May 12, 2020 23:10:16 GMT -5
I have no idea what you think, but we've seen the silly positions you have taken in the past. If it's a choice between me and you running the country, I'm betting on me. At least I know what I dont know, and dont pretend otherwise. Putting your faith in unelected bureaucrats in Washington is how tyranny rears it's ugly head.
I say challenge everything they say, especially when they presume to have the power to control our daily lives.
There IS a thing called the US Constitution. Show me where they have the power you seem happy to hand them.
Wow. I was commenting on TEM's dumb ass past posts, and I get a screed from Morehead about the US Constitution? As usual, Moorehead didnt read the post, he just blathered on about whatever was on his mind.
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 23:27:57 GMT -5
Putting your faith in unelected bureaucrats in Washington is how tyranny rears it's ugly head.
I say challenge everything they say, especially when they presume to have the power to control our daily lives.
There IS a thing called the US Constitution. Show me where they have the power you seem happy to hand them.
Wow. I was commenting on TEM's dumb ass past posts, and I get a screed from Morehead about the US Constitution? As usual, Moorehead didnt read the post, he just blathered on about whatever was on his mind. You're welcome. You needed some straightening out.
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Post by DandyDon on May 12, 2020 23:36:21 GMT -5
Wow. I was commenting on TEM's dumb ass past posts, and I get a screed from Morehead about the US Constitution? As usual, Moorehead didnt read the post, he just blathered on about whatever was on his mind. You're welcome. You needed some straightening out. As usual, another nonsensical response.
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 23:41:41 GMT -5
You're welcome. You needed some straightening out. As usual, another nonsensical response. I reach out an olive branch and you cut it off.
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Post by DandyDon on May 13, 2020 0:17:17 GMT -5
As usual, another nonsensical response. I reach out an olive branch and you cut it off. "You needed some straightening out" is an olive branch? I don't know how stuff works in bum**** Montana, but back here in Jersey that's an insult. As I'm sure you know.
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Post by TEM on May 13, 2020 8:13:35 GMT -5
I see your frustration, TEM and it's understandable. I agree with Morehead and Deli that this won't hold much longer and when things do reopen there will likely be a spike in cases. The medical community is working on solutions for that and the government needs to make all the other decisions, particularly the economic decisions. Isn't Pence in charge of that team? I would think he'd have a say in policy on this. There may be a spike in cases but I doubt there would be much of a spike in deaths. Those folks who are susceptible know who they are and will take special care, along with there loved ones to protect themselves.
This "one size fits all....everyone stay home" policy will be discussed for a long time as a foolish decision....Maybe a catastrophic decision.
I am struck by the fact that in NY, 66% of hospitalization for Covid are from people sheltering at home.
25% of the Deaths were caused by the Governor's executive order. Positive elderly must to be admitted to nursing homes. That policy was a death sentence to the existing residents. This is what should PI$$ everyone off . The Javits Center was set up just for positive patients and the Cuomo still ordered the into the nursing homes. NJ has a similar policy with 40% of the deaths coming From LTC facilities. Why would the expose the most vulnerable to the Virus? This entire debacle they call lock down is a complete failure.
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Post by TEM on May 13, 2020 8:25:11 GMT -5
You're welcome. You needed some straightening out. As usual, another nonsensical response. Because you have the reading comprehension of a dullard. You don't understand metaphors, puns, examples or words with more that 3 letters. Your post 2 weeks ago, were you basically stated Corporate IT security polices are intrusive . In the same breath you claim to be in IT for over 10 years. Those 2 statements alone reflect on the size of the IQ between your ears. As I said 2 weeks ago. You want to find out if what you believe is the truth. say " I believe our IT security policies are intrusive and we should not have a change your password policy" in your next IT staff meeting. If you do say that. Have you desk already packed up. It will save you more embarrassment.
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Post by TEM on May 13, 2020 8:26:53 GMT -5
So now you not only claim to know what I think. You also know what 80 present of the population will do. You should be running the country. I have no idea what you think, but we've seen the silly positions you have taken in the past. If it's a choice between me and you running the country, I'm betting on me. At least I know what I dont know, and dont pretend otherwise. Every time you type you prove it is nothing.
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Post by Morehead State on May 13, 2020 8:28:00 GMT -5
I reach out an olive branch and you cut it off. "You needed some straightening out" is an olive branch? I don't know how stuff works in bum**** Montana, but back here in Jersey that's an insult. As I'm sure you know. Do you really get any girls with all that anger? It's quite unattractive.
Lighten up. I'm kidding around.
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Post by TEM on May 13, 2020 8:30:33 GMT -5
"You needed some straightening out" is an olive branch? I don't know how stuff works in bum**** Montana, but back here in Jersey that's an insult. As I'm sure you know. Do you really get any girls with all that anger?
Lighten up. I'm kidding around.
He lacks the ability to understand that. It is not his fault . It is the way he is .
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Post by Morehead State on May 13, 2020 8:34:31 GMT -5
Do you really get any girls with all that anger?
Lighten up. I'm kidding around.
He lacks the ability to understand that. It is not his fault . It is the way he is .
You may be shocked to hear this but I don' think he likes Good Ol' Morehead. Call it a hunch.
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Post by TEM on May 13, 2020 8:40:02 GMT -5
He lacks the ability to understand that. It is not his fault . It is the way he is .
You may be shocked to hear this but I don' think he likes Good Ol' Morehead. Call it a hunch.
It is not just you .
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Post by TEM on May 13, 2020 8:43:47 GMT -5
To say the lock down must be adhered or it is a bleak outcome without offering any other method to curb the spread, is basically saying all in the middleclass and below that income level do not matter. I see your frustration, TEM and it's understandable. I agree with Morehead and Deli that this won't hold much longer and when things do reopen there will likely be a spike in cases. The medical community is working on solutions for that and the government needs to make all the other decisions, particularly the economic decisions. Isn't Pence in charge of that team? I would think he'd have a say in policy on this. Is all the taskforce is doing is advising . The governors are making all the rules with their states. I will ask you again. Do you believe the lock down is working?
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Post by Morehead State on May 13, 2020 8:45:56 GMT -5
You may be shocked to hear this but I don' think he likes Good Ol' Morehead. Call it a hunch.
It is not just you . What? I thought I was special.
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Post by TEM on May 13, 2020 8:52:26 GMT -5
What? I thought I was special. Don't kid yourself you have the all-time record for consecutive days without giving a like. It must be at least over 3000 . That is a distinction that is special in is a class to itself.
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Post by Morehead State on May 13, 2020 8:58:37 GMT -5
What? I thought I was special. Don't kid yourself you have the all-time record for consecutive days without giving a like. It must be at least over 3000 . That is a distinction that is special in is a class to itself. What is "giving a like?"
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Post by Sarcasman on May 13, 2020 9:22:48 GMT -5
I see your frustration, TEM and it's understandable. I agree with Morehead and Deli that this won't hold much longer and when things do reopen there will likely be a spike in cases. The medical community is working on solutions for that and the government needs to make all the other decisions, particularly the economic decisions. Isn't Pence in charge of that team? I would think he'd have a say in policy on this. Is all the taskforce is doing is advising . The governors are making all the rules with their states. I will ask you again. Do you believe the lock down is working? If the governors are making all the decisions and Pence is in charge of the Taskforce and he is making no decisions, just advising and Fauci is a part of the task force under Pence, I still don’t see how this is Fauci’s fault. in my area, yes I believe the lockdown significantly reduced the number of cases. But - just like everyone else - I don’t know that for certain.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 13, 2020 9:26:13 GMT -5
My sense is that a percentage of the population is simply not going to reopen when we reopen - call it what you will; fear, justifiable concern...whatever. Be interesting to see how that get's handled. This is already happening in GA. Restaurants are open and getting about 15-20% of the volume of normal times. They wont be able to sustain the business at those volumes. Businesses can open, but the vast majority of people are scared to go to them. We need greatly increased testing and contact tracing, which does not appear is going to happen.
Agreed. It comes down to trust IMO. Who are you going to trust is doing their part to in keeping you (and your family) safe?
Take a restaurant as an example. Of course you trust ownership and the head chef/s, but do you trust the people busing the tables? And do you trust the other patrons that are in there with you or were in there before you?
We live in scary times.
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Post by TEM on May 13, 2020 9:32:20 GMT -5
Is all the taskforce is doing is advising . The governors are making all the rules with their states. I will ask you again. Do you believe the lock down is working? If the governors are making all the decisions and Pence is in charge of the Taskforce and he is making no decisions, just advising and Fauci is a part of the task force under Pence, I still don’t see how this is Fauci’s fault. in my area, yes I believe the lockdown significantly reduced the number of cases. But - just like everyone else - I don’t know that for certain. I see it from a different point of view. The lock down is going into week 10. (68 days) If it was working. It should have cut the cases by two thirds at minimum. Form my point of view the decrease is equated to a smaller pool to infect. ( There is a portion of the population that has immunity to the virus through exposure to it).
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Post by Roosevelt on May 13, 2020 9:37:04 GMT -5
In a related story, big business is looking to cut back on the TV advertising. Companies such as GM and Pepsi are mentioned in this. This wasn't specific to football, but in general. Perhaps live football won't be affected. We shall see.
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Post by DandyDon on May 13, 2020 9:51:41 GMT -5
This is already happening in GA. Restaurants are open and getting about 15-20% of the volume of normal times. They wont be able to sustain the business at those volumes. Businesses can open, but the vast majority of people are scared to go to them. We need greatly increased testing and contact tracing, which does not appear is going to happen.
Agreed. It comes down to trust IMO. Who are you going to trust is doing their part to in keeping you (and your family) safe?
Take a restaurant as an example. Of course you trust ownership and the head chef/s, but do you trust the people busing the tables? And do you trust the other patrons that are in there with you or were in there before you?
We live in scary times.
Yes, trust and confidence. I understand other areas of the country might be more confident, but what happened in NY was horrific for awhile. Going to take a lot longer depending where you live.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 13, 2020 9:56:16 GMT -5
If the governors are making all the decisions and Pence is in charge of the Taskforce and he is making no decisions, just advising and Fauci is a part of the task force under Pence, I still don’t see how this is Fauci’s fault. in my area, yes I believe the lockdown significantly reduced the number of cases. But - just like everyone else - I don’t know that for certain. I see it from a different point of view. The lock down is going into week 10. (68 days) If it was working. It should have cut the cases by two thirds at minimum. Form my point of view the decrease is equated to a smaller pool to infect. ( There is a portion of the population that has immunity to the virus through exposure to it). That’s logical assuming the lockdown was complete and mandated, it was neither so while some folks may have followed it, many others may not have. I just have no way of corralling all those variables to know with certainty.
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