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Post by TheAnalyst on May 15, 2020 18:40:49 GMT -5
Its Bakers fault he sucks. Lack of effort, lack of attention, lack of hustle, lack of desire, lack of preparation, dumb as dirt... and I saw today, was called out pre draft and at the combine. Its 100% DGs fault that Baker was traded up for and drafted by the Giants who took on the risk that came with those character concerns. If by "fault" you mean "football decision" to trade back into the 1st round for who many considered the best CB in the draft, the yes, that is DG's fault. What is not DG's fault is Baker robbing people at gun point and telling someone else to shoot someone....... allegedly/ Lastly, you yourself said ....IN THIS THREAD that you were looking forward to Baker stepping up this season. You can't have it both ways. Absolutely. He wasnt responsible for Baker going full thug this week. Glad we got that clear. Again, I'm not the GM. I loved the Baker pick. I thought he needed to step up this year. I just found out today about all the negative things said about him before the draft. I dont know how I missed it but I did. Maybe I was focused on other players more. But after seeing all of these negative stories about him and his character, known before the draft, I'd say it was a risky pick by DG that if it failed which it now did, he should be blamed. So I blame him for taking a bad character kid when he was supposedly trying to clean house of that.
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Post by Roswell on May 15, 2020 18:53:34 GMT -5
Guys bottom line is it was a good pick that went bad
Good based on his college play.
Bad based on an event that there weren’t any signs of beforehand. No history of criminal record. Tons of guys have attitude issues.
If DG felt there were red flags and he chose to ignore them. Then it’s a buyer beware scenario and he got burned. Then it’s on him.
If they were minor things and this recent behavior of missing Zoom meetings, armed robbery and sleeping in meetings only surfaced after the draft then how is DG really to blame?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 18:54:31 GMT -5
If by "fault" you mean "football decision" to trade back into the 1st round for who many considered the best CB in the draft, the yes, that is DG's fault. What is not DG's fault is Baker robbing people at gun point and telling someone else to shoot someone....... allegedly/ Lastly, you yourself said ....IN THIS THREAD that you were looking forward to Baker stepping up this season. You can't have it both ways. Absolutely. He wasnt responsible for Baker going full thug this week. Glad we got that clear. Again, I'm not the GM. I loved the Baker pick. I thought he needed to step up this year. I just found out today about all the negative things said about him before the draft. I dont know how I missed it but I did. Maybe I was focused on other players more. But after seeing all of these negative stories about him and his character, known before the draft, I'd say it was a risky pick by DG that if it failed which it now did, he should be blamed. So I blame him for taking a bad character kid when he was supposedly trying to clean house of that. You said that as if you believed Baker was going to step up this season. In the last 5 games or so he was playing like he was finally starting to get it. That's what made you optimistic about him. As for all the other shit........and for the 1000th time........MANY players have red flags and character issues and EVERY GM takes a chance on some. Otherwise you're leaving some very talented players on the table. You just can't fault him for taking a chance on a talented player. And you didn't fault him when it happened. The whole thing is just ingenious. You're letting your hate-boner do all your thinking for you.
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Post by 3days on May 15, 2020 18:57:24 GMT -5
I don’t know, I kind of see it as an OK risk/reward trade off. It SEEMS it did not work out. Regarding DG’s legacy, guess what, it won’t be tied to baker, it is tied to DJ.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 18:58:18 GMT -5
I do not think anyone on the site thinks it is not a kick to the groin. To blame for his actions and failure to himself and the team portrayed to be anyone but him is false. He owns that 100%. I get you are pissed, this is not a Dave Gettelman thing . This a Baker thing. He brought it on himself. I agree. 100%. Robbing people with a gun is 100% on Baker. Him being a failure as a football player because he was an entitled lazy POS drafted by the Giants rests on DG. Let the "fools" unite because this is on Getty for swinging and missing.. I wouldn't have minded if it was a 4th round pick but to trade up and take him is egg on his face.. How foolish that was??
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 19:04:17 GMT -5
I do not see him having to apologize for anything. I do not see it as anything but a player exercising his own free will. Blaming DG for this seems very unwarranted.
You just can't know anything like this could happen. You don't draw a line from a "poor interview" to armed robbery.
The blame goes to Getty for moving up in the 1st to draft a player with character issues with this all coming from a man who claims he needs to trade away the players with character issues. This incident which is crazy just hurried up the process of proving it was a mistake.. The bottom line is they got a player in the 1st round for just one season which was not a good one..
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Post by Eazy E on May 15, 2020 19:32:27 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 15, 2020 19:32:29 GMT -5
Absolutely. He wasnt responsible for Baker going full thug this week. Glad we got that clear. Again, I'm not the GM. I loved the Baker pick. I thought he needed to step up this year. I just found out today about all the negative things said about him before the draft. I dont know how I missed it but I did. Maybe I was focused on other players more. But after seeing all of these negative stories about him and his character, known before the draft, I'd say it was a risky pick by DG that if it failed which it now did, he should be blamed. So I blame him for taking a bad character kid when he was supposedly trying to clean house of that. You said that as if you believed Baker was going to step up this season. In the last 5 games or so he was playing like he was finally starting to get it. That's what made you optimistic about him. As for all the other shit........and for the 1000th time........MANY players have red flags and character issues and EVERY GM takes a chance on some. Otherwise you're leaving some very talented players on the table. You just can't fault him for taking a chance on a talented player. And you didn't fault him when it happened. The whole thing is just ingenious. You're letting your hate-boner do all your thinking for you. Hate-boner... Haha
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 15, 2020 19:35:19 GMT -5
So when Baker pays them off, does this mean it never happened? It was all imagination?
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 15, 2020 19:48:36 GMT -5
So when Baker pays them off, does this mean it never happened? It was all imagination? Straight ignorant, seriously? You allude to the point though. This is the first step in realizing this whole story is a BS money grab. Not definitely but don’t be surprised. If they turn themselves in and are released on their own recognizance or 50 dollars bond you can’t rest assured this is trash. I hope many here will admit to hot take stupidity if that’s the case. I will surely admit the opposite if he is indeed guilty. I swear some folks here want him to be guilty of this, so they can tie it to his poor play and sleeping, then tie that to DGs failure. I’m sorry but if you feel like that at all that is pathetic.
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Post by piddy283 on May 15, 2020 19:50:38 GMT -5
I'm not going to go through 23 pages of posts, but have folks really found a way to blame DG for this? You can't make this shit up.
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Post by Kruunch on May 15, 2020 19:53:45 GMT -5
I'm not going to go through 23 pages of posts, but have folks really found a way to blame DG for this? You can't make this shit up. I've been telling them if we're going to blame anyone it's piddy283. You really threw a wrench into our season...
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Post by piddy283 on May 15, 2020 19:56:46 GMT -5
I'm not going to go through 23 pages of posts, but have folks really found a way to blame DG for this? You can't make this shit up. I've been telling them if we're going to blame anyone it's piddy283. You really threw a wrench into our season... If I threw a wrench, it'd be intercepted.....hiyo!
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Post by SG88 on May 15, 2020 20:03:10 GMT -5
So when Baker pays them off, does this mean it never happened? It was all imagination? Straight ignorant, seriously? You allude to the point though. This is the first step in realizing this whole story is a BS money grab. Not definitely but don’t be surprised. If they turn themselves in and are released on their own recognizance or 50 dollars bond you can’t rest assured this is trash. I hope many here will admit to hot take stupidity if that’s the case. I will surely admit the opposite if he is indeed guilty. I swear some folks here want him to be guilty of this, so they can tie it to his poor play and sleeping, then tie that to DGs failure. I’m sorry but if you feel like that at all that is pathetic. They won't, chief. Trust me on that.
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Post by Kruunch on May 15, 2020 20:05:02 GMT -5
I'm not going to go through 23 pages of posts, but have folks really found a way to blame DG for this? You can't make this shit up. Yes, not everyone but the Dave Gentlemen haters have come out in full force to attack everything he has ever done ,it's been comical to read some of the haters to be honest. I gotta tell you. Hating Dave is like having your first beer. It's different, seems ok, and somehow you feel just a bit better. Try it sometime.. you'll thank me later..
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Post by SG88 on May 15, 2020 20:06:27 GMT -5
Thanks for posting. Keep the new information coming as you get it
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Post by krappdetector on May 15, 2020 20:13:13 GMT -5
The GM is responsible for stocking the team with players, right? When a draft pick is successful, i.e. plays well enough to be considered a valuable asset, the GM tales the credit. When the draftee is a bust, for whatever reason, the GM takes the heat because they are RESPONSIBLE for the pick.
Everyone here is trying to find fault and lay blame which in this case is on Baker. But it is also about responsibility, which in this case is Gettleman's. Does that help?
I didn't think so.
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Post by TCHOF on May 15, 2020 20:20:23 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I will continue to have nightmares about this fool’s tenure.... You'll get past it. You're at the grieving stage. Next is the angry stage, than acceptance. Acceptance is great, you know sooner rather than later he's good as gone. His track record blows.. I'm at the stage where I defend Jerry Reese on occasions. The same man who put us in franchise hell. But I'll take his bullshit over the wannabe mensch. Reese had 2 SB’s during his tenure. Gettleman? Ugh
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Post by TCHOF on May 15, 2020 20:21:37 GMT -5
lol ... from the Board’s resident buffoon ............the troll strikes again! ..................and while you try to insult , you ignore the question put to you and I understand that becuase no matter your answer you'll look like an ass, both of you. What question was put to me Hundy???
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Post by Kruunch on May 15, 2020 20:24:47 GMT -5
You'll get past it. You're at the grieving stage. Next is the angry stage, than acceptance. Acceptance is great, you know sooner rather than later he's good as gone. His track record blows.. I'm at the stage where I defend Jerry Reese on occasions. The same man who put us in franchise hell. But I'll take his bullshit over the wannabe mensch. Reese had 2 SB’s during his tenure. Gettleman? Ugh Well, if you listen to Dave he has been to 7 Super Bowls.. I know right, who would have thought? Not all as a GM of course. Then I would have taken notice. His plan is to either divide this fan base. Or kills us. I'm still trying to figure out which one..
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Post by TCHOF on May 15, 2020 20:26:55 GMT -5
His character concerns couldnt be foreseen? Despite many other scouts and GMs noticing them at the combine and predraft? Doh! You are ignoring the question ,your bitch is DG wasted a #1 on him after vetting "issues" were raised but if it was a #4 or 5 pick you would have been fine with it becuase you through your own admission said he was talented. If being a felon is wrong the pick spot shouldn't matter .So stop the BS. lol...what? Try again in English
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 15, 2020 20:32:54 GMT -5
So when Baker pays them off, does this mean it never happened? It was all imagination? Straight ignorant, seriously? You allude to the point though. This is the first step in realizing this whole story is a BS money grab. Not definitely but don’t be surprised. If they turn themselves in and are released on their own recognizance or 50 dollars bond you can’t rest assured this is trash. I hope many here will admit to hot take stupidity if that’s the case. I will surely admit the opposite if he is indeed guilty. I swear some folks here want him to be guilty of this, so they can tie it to his poor play and sleeping, then tie that to DGs failure. I’m sorry but if you feel like that at all that is pathetic. Huh? That was a joke. Obviously.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 15, 2020 21:18:48 GMT -5
Straight ignorant, seriously? You allude to the point though. This is the first step in realizing this whole story is a BS money grab. Not definitely but don’t be surprised. If they turn themselves in and are released on their own recognizance or 50 dollars bond you can’t rest assured this is trash. I hope many here will admit to hot take stupidity if that’s the case. I will surely admit the opposite if he is indeed guilty. I swear some folks here want him to be guilty of this, so they can tie it to his poor play and sleeping, then tie that to DGs failure. I’m sorry but if you feel like that at all that is pathetic. Huh? That was a joke. Obviously. You’ll have to forgive me if based on your other commentary it didn’t play as a joke.
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Post by Morehead State on May 15, 2020 21:29:13 GMT -5
Blaming DG for this seems very unwarranted.
You just can't know anything like this could happen. You don't draw a line from a "poor interview" to armed robbery.
Who is blaming him for Baker robbing people though? He couldnt have known he would do that. I blame him for trading up to draft a failed player who had character concerns though. I meant to say that folks are blaming Dave for drafting the kid....as if he should have known he was capable of something like this.
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Post by piddy283 on May 15, 2020 21:32:09 GMT -5
I'm not going to go through 23 pages of posts, but have folks really found a way to blame DG for this? You can't make this shit up. The blame goes to Getty for moving up in the 1st to draft a player with character issues with this all coming from a man who claims he needs to trade away the players with character issues. Wow... Great job doing your homework on this one Dave. All the talent and no brains. So nice to know that DG is geared into changing the culture on this team because you know we had to get rid of ODB and JPP because of how terrible they are. That’s don’t work. DG came in getting rid of certain players because they were a culture problem. Subsequently DG brought in a known home wrecker with Golden Tate that got punched in the face for sleeping with his QB wife and then lived right up that great standard by getting promptly suspended for PED. Now we have DG trading up in 1st round to draft a player tht doesn’t pay attention at team meetings, takes plays off and might actually be committing armed robbery. ................just an example. It's truly comical.
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Post by babybulls on May 15, 2020 21:33:27 GMT -5
I would pay to watch him quiver explaining that to Mara. I believe this isn't Daves fault at all. Yeah he drafted Baker who had what fans like to say "red flags." But if you ask me, this is solely and I mean solely Bakers fault. He's not a child he broke a neighbors back window and has explaining to do. He allegedly used a gun as a means of getting his money back. But, if Baker is convicted this will always follow Dave a Gettleman as long as he's employed in the NFL. Fans, the media, you name it will remember this. And what timing. No sports to get your mind off this story for a bit. Blake Snell must be thanking his lucky stars right now, if not for Baker and Dunlap being fugitives everyone would be talking about how stupid Snell is. To anyone who has yet listen to the interview. Save your time, it's like listening to two cats ****. Gettleman will never have another job in the NFL Of course he won’t, he’s what 68 years old and a cancer survivor. You guys need to get a life. I’ve read to many posts, maybe by the few here blaming Gettleman about him drafting character guys instead of Guys with talent. Baker had talent just apparently no brains.
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Post by Roswell on May 15, 2020 22:03:21 GMT -5
You'll get past it. You're at the grieving stage. Next is the angry stage, than acceptance. Acceptance is great, you know sooner rather than later he's good as gone. His track record blows.. I'm at the stage where I defend Jerry Reese on occasions. The same man who put us in franchise hell. But I'll take his bullshit over the wannabe mensch. Reese had 2 SB’s during his tenure. Gettleman? Ugh Even DG’s biggest detractors would agree that as far as the Giants are concerned, Reese was delivered a better roster at the onset of his tenure than Gettleman was. And Gettlemen has years of horrible drafts by Reese to thank for that.
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Post by Morehead State on May 15, 2020 22:07:57 GMT -5
Reese had 2 SB’s during his tenure. Gettleman? Ugh Even DG’s biggest detractors would agree that as far as the Giants are concerned,Reese was delivered a better roster at the onset of his tenure to work with than Gettleman was. And Gettlemen has years of horrible drafts by Reese to thank for that. Reese wasn't "delivered" anything. He was director of player personnel for 3 years and was a part of the team that built that roster. He was EA's right hand man.
His promotion to GM was a natural and seamless move for the franchise.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 15, 2020 22:18:24 GMT -5
Even DG’s biggest detractors would agree that as far as the Giants are concerned,Reese was delivered a better roster at the onset of his tenure to work with than Gettleman was. And Gettlemen has years of horrible drafts by Reese to thank for that. Reese wasn't "delivered" anything. He was director of player personnel for 3 years and was a part of the team that built that roster. He was EA's right hand man.
His promotion to GM was a natural and seamless move for the franchise. How come we always skip DG in all of this he was right there with EA and JR building that roster and with out his pro personnel work they win neither of those superbowls take away players like Mitchell, Pierce, PLex, Mckenzie, Ohara, Suedert, Madison, McQuarters, Canty, Boley, Rolle, they aren't winning shit they worked together all three and got rewarded with 2 trophy's EA got robbed never got a ring deserved the lions share of both, the nucleus he built was the backbone of both 07 and 11 teams
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Post by Morehead State on May 15, 2020 22:21:07 GMT -5
Reese wasn't "delivered" anything. He was director of player personnel for 3 years and was a part of the team that built that roster. He was EA's right hand man.
His promotion to GM was a natural and seamless move for the franchise. How come we always skip DG in all of this he was right there with EA and JR building that roster and with out his pro personnel work they win neither of those superbowls take away players like Mitchell, Pierce, PLex, Mckenzie, Ohara, Suedert, Madison, McQuarters, Canty, Boley, Rolle, they aren't winning shit they worked together all three and got rewarded with 2 trophy's EA got robbed never got a ring deserved the lions share of both, the nucleus he built was the backbone of both 07 and 11 teams I'm talking about JR. He made it sound like he had nothing to do with the Giants before he became GM.
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