Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 9:23:37 GMT -5
Personally I think this is Ridiculous. This proposal states teams can move up 6 spots in the 3rd round if they have a minority coach and 10 additional spots in the 3rd round if they hire a Minority General Manager. The article actually doesn’t say minority. It says Non White. My bad. Its blatant reverse discrimination. I am sure if Belichick was “not white” teams would still want him If you’re a team like the Cowboys, Bengals or Redskins that don’t even have a GM. The Owner acts as GM’s just hire a non white or female to sit there and you can move up 10 spots in the 3rd round every year www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/sports/football/minority-head-coaches-nfl.amp.html
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 9:37:30 GMT -5
Wow.
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on May 16, 2020 10:34:35 GMT -5
Beyond stupid
|
|
|
Post by Kruunch on May 16, 2020 10:49:01 GMT -5
This is brilliant. And when I say brilliant I mean the dumbest idea ever. Did the NFL fall on their head this offseason?
|
|
|
Post by DandyDon on May 16, 2020 11:12:50 GMT -5
Personally I think this is Ridiculous. This proposal states teams can move up 6 spots in the 3rd round if they have a minority coach and 10 additional spots in the 3rd round if they hire a Minority General Manager. The article actually doesn’t say minority. It says Non White. My bad. Its blatant reverse discrimination. I am sure if Belichick was “not white” teams would still want him If you’re a team like the Cowboys, Bengals or Redskins that don’t even have a GM. The Owner acts as GM’s just hire a non white or female to sit there and you can move up 10 spots in the 3rd round every year www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/sports/football/minority-head-coaches-nfl.amp.htmlDid you read the article? First off it's just a proposal, not a new rule. Also they cant just hire and fire a new HC every year. They get moved up the draft after they hire them, and if they fire him they dont get it. Also, is moving up in the draft more important than having a good HC/GM? "A team would lose either advantage if it fired the new hire after a single season, a provision designed to circumvent a tanking strategy and discourage firing coaches after one losing season, as happened to Steve Wilks, the African-American head coach of the Arizona Cardinals team that went 3-13 in 2018."
|
|
|
Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 16, 2020 11:39:20 GMT -5
The funniest thing I saw in response to this referenced Belichek running out and hiring a minority, transgender, paraplegic midget as GM tomorrow. Sometimes the internet is a good thing.
|
|
3days
Starter
Posts: 3,942
|
Post by 3days on May 16, 2020 11:49:51 GMT -5
I don’t like the plan, but we should recognize that there is a diversity problem in the NFL
|
|
|
Post by TEM on May 16, 2020 11:52:11 GMT -5
I want the best coach .Not the I need more draft picks coach.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on May 16, 2020 11:55:53 GMT -5
I don’t like the plan, but we should recognize that there is a diversity problem in the NFL Who is to blame for that though? Honestly. I would agree there is a problem if all the minority HCs had staffs filled with minority's and the white HCs just hired white assistants. That is not the case at all though. Being a good player does not mean someone will be a good coach, plain and simple.
I really just hate when we, as a society, try to fix racism by using racism against a different race.
|
|
Merlin
Special Teams
Posts: 332
|
Post by Merlin on May 16, 2020 12:03:49 GMT -5
I don’t like the plan, but we should recognize that there is a diversity problem in the NFL Agree, wish there was more data on the subject though to really zero in. Like for starters the amount of minority coaches that apply as well as experience.
|
|
|
Post by Roosevelt on May 16, 2020 12:06:18 GMT -5
I don’t like the plan, but we should recognize that there is a diversity problem in the NFL What about the lack of women in the sport? Shouldn’t there be more women as well?
|
|
|
Post by Providence on May 16, 2020 12:09:51 GMT -5
Percentage of NFL players who are people of color- approximately 70% Percentage of NFL coaches who are people of color- 12.5%
In every industry, throughout history, people have wanted leaders who have been there, who have been in the trenches. Small mom and pop businesses all the way up to the United States military have always put a priority on hiring leaders that have performed on the front lines. This has been prioritized because often times (though certainly not always) those with the front-line experience know all the important intricacies and nuances of the industry and can use said knowledge to achieve success.
One would therefore expect that leadership in an industry reflects the diversity of those who are doing the grunt work in that industry. Why then do we see the massive disparity between the percentage of players of color and the percentage of coaches of color? There really only two possible answers: 1.) People of color are biologically inferior and don't have the intelligence to succeed as coaches (KKK members often choose this answer). or 2.) There is systemic racism in the NFL and larger American society that either funnels white men to the top, or acts as a barrier to people of color trying to get into the top positions.
So, my question to the people who opposed this idea is: How do we rectify this systemic racism that we all know is happening? Perhaps the suggestion in this article is not the answer, but that doesn't mean we abandon the cause, right? We can't simply shrug our shoulders and say "oh well." I support the measure suggested in the article. I don't think it's perfect and I think it can cause various problems. I support it, however, because it's a step in the right direction. When equality is achieved the industry and the product becomes better. Putting aside the inequality and moral implications of all this, even a selfish person would agree that having a stronger industry and better product would be a good thing.
|
|
|
Post by giantlegacy on May 16, 2020 12:18:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure had the Chiefs been knocked out early Bienemy would have gotten a HC job...
|
|
|
Post by GameTime on May 16, 2020 12:30:28 GMT -5
There is racism, bigotry, and prejudiced weaved into our culture. Its in America, around the globe and throughout course of world history. Not sure what the answer is or if will ever not be a big societal problem.
When it’s a addressed there are always caveats, excuses, naysayers, and those who refuse to even see there is a problem.
|
|
Merlin
Special Teams
Posts: 332
|
Post by Merlin on May 16, 2020 12:42:31 GMT -5
Percentage of NFL players who are people of color- approximately 70% Percentage of NFL coaches who are people of color- 12.5% In every industry, throughout history, people have wanted leaders who have been there, who have been in the trenches. Small mom and pop businesses all the way up to the United States military have always put a priority on hiring leaders that have performed on the front lines. This has been prioritized because often times (though certainly not always) those with the front-line experience know all the important intricacies and nuances of the industry and can use said knowledge to achieve success. One would therefore expect that leadership in an industry reflects the diversity of those who are doing the grunt work in that industry. Why then do we see the massive disparity between the percentage of players of color and the percentage of coaches of color? There really only two possible answers: 1.) People of color are biologically inferior and don't have the intelligence to succeed as coaches (KKK members often choose this answer). or 2.) There is systemic racism in the NFL and larger American society that either funnels white men to the top, or acts as a barrier to people of color trying to get into the top positions. So, my question to the people who opposed this idea is: How do we rectify this systemic racism that we all know is happening? Perhaps the suggestion in this article is not the answer, but that doesn't mean we abandon the cause, right? We can't simply shrug our shoulders and say "oh well." I support the measure suggested in the article. I don't think it's perfect and I think it can cause various problems. I support it, however, because it's a step in the right direction. When equality is achieved the industry and the product becomes better. Putting aside the inequality and moral implications of all this, even a selfish person would agree that having a stronger industry and better product would be a good thing. If not happening as we speak. People would gain way more understanding if the topic was thoroughly researched and broken down. Showing the trends to how each position coach got his job? What are the trends that allowed coaches to move up in the ranks compared to the ones that were held back? At the end of the day though, everyone in a position of power makes judgement calls. The judgement calls are usually where you will find the issues.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 13:14:08 GMT -5
Personally I think this is Ridiculous. This proposal states teams can move up 6 spots in the 3rd round if they have a minority coach and 10 additional spots in the 3rd round if they hire a Minority General Manager. The article actually doesn’t say minority. It says Non White. My bad. Its blatant reverse discrimination. I am sure if Belichick was “not white” teams would still want him If you’re a team like the Cowboys, Bengals or Redskins that don’t even have a GM. The Owner acts as GM’s just hire a non white or female to sit there and you can move up 10 spots in the 3rd round every year www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/sports/football/minority-head-coaches-nfl.amp.htmlDid you read the article? First off it's just a proposal, not a new rule. Also they cant just hire and fire a new HC every year. They get moved up the draft after they hire them, and if they fire him they dont get it. Also, is moving up in the draft more important than having a good HC/GM? "A team would lose either advantage if it fired the new hire after a single season, a provision designed to circumvent a tanking strategy and discourage firing coaches after one losing season, as happened to Steve Wilks, the African-American head coach of the Arizona Cardinals team that went 3-13 in 2018." I did read it and that’s my point. What’s from stopping Jerry Jones from hiring his Daughter. Saying she is “the GM” and Keeping her on the staff with Zero responsibilities. He can pay her 10k a year or less because it’s a bullshit job that only exists on the books. Then they can move up 10 spots in the 3rd round every year
|
|
|
Post by DandyDon on May 16, 2020 13:43:50 GMT -5
Did you read the article? First off it's just a proposal, not a new rule. Also they cant just hire and fire a new HC every year. They get moved up the draft after they hire them, and if they fire him they dont get it. Also, is moving up in the draft more important than having a good HC/GM? "A team would lose either advantage if it fired the new hire after a single season, a provision designed to circumvent a tanking strategy and discourage firing coaches after one losing season, as happened to Steve Wilks, the African-American head coach of the Arizona Cardinals team that went 3-13 in 2018." I did read it and that’s my point. What’s from stopping Jerry Jones from hiring his Daughter. Saying she is “the GM” and Keeping her on the staff with Zero responsibilities. He can pay her 10k a year or less because it’s a bullshit job that only exists on the books. Then they can move up 10 spots in the 3rd round every year Again, they wouldn't move up every year. Just the draft after the hire.
|
|
|
Post by Waybackfan on May 16, 2020 13:47:54 GMT -5
If you have a white RB or DB you should get extra points.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on May 16, 2020 14:18:47 GMT -5
If you have a white RB or DB you should get extra points. White RB, black QB and Hispanic HC. Panthers win the Super Bowl with their bonus 21 points each game lmao.
|
|
|
Post by Roosevelt on May 16, 2020 14:46:02 GMT -5
There is racism, bigotry, and prejudiced weaved into our culture. Its in America, around the globe and throughout course of world history. Not sure what the answer is or if will ever not be a big societal problem. When it’s a addressed there are always caveats, excuses, naysayers, and those who refuse to even see there is a problem. Everyone has their own problems don’t they? Those that can’t play coach. In a league where the majority of the players are black, it only makes sense to see white guys looking to coach and land front office positions since they have no other alternative. Take Marc Ross as an example. WR from Princeton, joined the Giants as an intern, and went on to become the youngest college scouting director at age 27. Of course by age 44 he served as the VP of player evaluation and ran the Giants drafts. IMO that is the more typical path coaches and GM’s will take to land those jobs. There aren’t very many John Elways out there.
|
|
|
Post by Roosevelt on May 16, 2020 15:15:27 GMT -5
There is racism, bigotry, and prejudiced weaved into our culture. Its in America, around the globe and throughout course of world history. Not sure what the answer is or if will ever not be a big societal problem. When it’s a addressed there are always caveats, excuses, naysayers, and those who refuse to even see there is a problem. Everyone has their own problems don’t they? Those that can’t play coach. In a league where the majority of the players are black, it only makes sense to see white guys looking to coach and land front office positions since they have no other alternative. Take Marc Ross as an example. WR from Princeton, joined the Giants as an intern, and went on to become the youngest college scouting director at age 27. Of course by age 44 he served as the VP of player evaluation and ran the Giants drafts. IMO that is the more typical path coaches and GM’s will take to land those jobs. There aren’t very many John Elways out there. Or Ozzie Newsome’s for that matter. I can fully understand the pride within the black community with Ozzie, but as a white guy, I don’t think of it that way. I just think of him as one of the best GMs in the league. I would much rather see guys who mentored under Ozzie branch out and make names for themselves throughout the league than to see the NFL hand out prizes based on skin color. Am I wrong?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 15:21:21 GMT -5
I don’t like the plan, but we should recognize that there is a diversity problem in the NFL What about the lack of women in the sport? Shouldn’t there be more women as well? pfffffft........chicks???
|
|
|
Post by Blue Hulk on May 16, 2020 15:23:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I don’t agree with it. The incentives are too big. Teams will start firing gms at a quicker pace
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 17:04:34 GMT -5
I did read it and that’s my point. What’s from stopping Jerry Jones from hiring his Daughter. Saying she is “the GM” and Keeping her on the staff with Zero responsibilities. He can pay her 10k a year or less because it’s a bullshit job that only exists on the books. Then they can move up 10 spots in the 3rd round every year Again, they wouldn't move up every year. Just the draft after the hire. My Argument still applies. He can make his daughter the GM on paper just to move up in the draft
|
|
3days
Starter
Posts: 3,942
|
Post by 3days on May 16, 2020 17:12:00 GMT -5
I don’t like the plan, but we should recognize that there is a diversity problem in the NFL What about the lack of women in the sport? Shouldn’t there be more women as well? Not sure if that was a sarcastic comment, but note that I used the term diversity vs. focusing on a specific group.
|
|
|
Post by TEM on May 16, 2020 17:14:27 GMT -5
Ozzy Newsome is probably one of the best GMs in past 20 years. By the standard the NFL is suggesting . His merit and work as a great GM is secondary to his minority status. It is just form of segregation masked as positive connotation.
|
|
3days
Starter
Posts: 3,942
|
Post by 3days on May 16, 2020 17:15:18 GMT -5
To be clear, I am not defending this plan, I don’t like it. I would like to see the NFL get a bit smarter sound diversity though.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on May 16, 2020 17:18:02 GMT -5
Or Ozzie Newsome’s for that matter. Really? This man is clearly a racist. In his time as the GM he has hired 3 head coaches and all of them were white.
|
|
|
Post by IrishMike on May 16, 2020 17:20:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I don’t agree with it. The incentives are too big. Teams will start firing gms at a quicker pace Liked your post just for your sig lol. Great work. Judge had a dog too, we have become the Pats.
|
|
|
Post by Roosevelt on May 16, 2020 19:48:14 GMT -5
What about the lack of women in the sport? Shouldn’t there be more women as well? Not sure if that was a sarcastic comment, but note that I used the term diversity vs. focusing on a specific group. It was somewhat facetious but it's just another part of change that will come to the game.
But again, as a white person it's just not something I think about. Just as I'm not bothered that there are so few white players in the NFL or the NBA, I'm not bother there a very few black players in the NHL.
Things will change as time goes by. Maybe it's not fast enough for some and I can respect that.
|
|