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Post by Roosevelt on May 20, 2020 10:00:53 GMT -5
While many people believe television is where the NFL teams makes their money; the teams are reliant on the revenue generated from the stadiums more than you may think. The Giants as an example, who rank 3rd in the league in generating income, get about half of it from the stadium. The ramifications will undoubtedly affect salary caps going forward and it will be interesting to see how the league deals with this going. It seems to me there will have to be some exemptions going forward but we’re about to see the NFL lose quite a bit of money this season - just like everyone else. www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/#5edc362c691a |
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 10:53:36 GMT -5
I don't think I'd go for it, but has a pay per view type thing been proposed?
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Post by Kruunch on May 20, 2020 11:02:17 GMT -5
I don't think I'd go for it, but has a pay per view type thing been proposed? If the NFL ever entertains that idea I would be done with them. It’s not even the money, it’s the principle. They might as well make Vince McMahon the commissioner and have tag team matches during tv timeouts. |
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Post by Fletch842 on May 20, 2020 11:25:17 GMT -5
While many people believe television is where the NFL teams makes their money; the teams are reliant on the revenue generated from the stadiums more than you may think. The Giants as an example, who rank 3rd in the league in generating income, get about half of it from the stadium. The ramifications will undoubtedly affect salary caps going forward and it will be interesting to see how the league deals with this going. It seems to me there will have to be some exemptions going forward but we’re about to see the NFL lose quite a bit of money this season - just like everyone else. www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/#5edc362c691aWhen the new stadium opened, I remember hearing reports that both the Giants and Jets went from bottom quartile of overall earnings to top quartile. Revenues from parking and concessions are significant. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 12:07:05 GMT -5
I don't think I'd go for it, but has a pay per view type thing been proposed? If the NFL ever entertains that idea I would be done with them. It’s not even the money, it’s the principle. They might as well make Vince McMahon the commissioner and have tag team matches during tv timeouts. What if each game was under $15 - no commercials, only cheerleader upskirt live video between possessions and quarters? |
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Post by Roosevelt on May 20, 2020 12:10:06 GMT -5
I don't think I'd go for it, but has a pay per view type thing been proposed? |
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Post by Roosevelt on May 20, 2020 12:17:33 GMT -5
If the NFL ever entertains that idea I would be done with them. It’s not even the money, it’s the principle. They might as well make Vince McMahon the commissioner and have tag team matches during tv timeouts. What if each game was under $15 - no commercials, only cheerleader upskirt live video between possessions and quarters? No panties? |
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Post by jimmieray on May 20, 2020 12:21:12 GMT -5
What if each game was under $15 - no commercials, only cheerleader upskirt live video between possessions and quarters? No panties? They can still wear them, sell used for the standard $75 after each game - revenue issue solved!
Eli can handle the authentication program...
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Post by Kase1 on May 20, 2020 13:36:32 GMT -5
I don't think I'd go for it, but has a pay per view type thing been proposed? Sounds like a very viable option to keep the league going. Not ideal for us fans, but not much in the NFL IS ideal for us fans |
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Post by DandyDon on May 20, 2020 18:58:00 GMT -5
I don't think I'd go for it, but has a pay per view type thing been proposed? Sounds like a very viable option to keep the league going. Not ideal for us fans, but not much in the NFL IS ideal for us fans IMO, doing that would show how replaceable the NFL can be. I'm already annoyed about the constant increase in commercial time. PPV would be the end of the NFL for me. Why can't they take the hit like 90% of others in this pandemic? |
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Post by TEM on May 20, 2020 19:10:19 GMT -5
I I don't think I'd go for it, but has a pay per view type thing been proposed? How do you get individuals who are cash strapped from the lockdown to pay to watch football games to make up 5.5 billon. At $15 a game. 512 games in a season. The NFL would have to have 750,000 viewers for each game to make up the difference. That is 12 million a week. Every week. I think viewership would drop significantly . At most the average household would pay for one game per-week. Not the 4 to 5 games most fans watch weekly. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 21, 2020 5:48:53 GMT -5
I I don't think I'd go for it, but has a pay per view type thing been proposed? How do you get individuals who are cash strapped from the lockdown to pay to watch football games to make up 5.5 billon. At $15 a game. 512 games in a season. The NFL would have to have 750,000 viewers for each game to make up the difference. That is 12 million a week. Every week. I think viewership would drop significantly . At most the average household would pay for one game per-week. Not the 4 to 5 games most fans watch weekly. I've never pay per viewed anything, just wondering if it was proposed. A lot of fans are yearning, it could be a possibility. I could tell my wife that I need to have a friend or two over, to help pay for it. |
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2020 6:42:04 GMT -5
IHow do you get individuals who are cash strapped from the lockdown to pay to watch football games to make up 5.5 billon. At $15 a game. 512 games in a season. The NFL would have to have 750,000 viewers for each game to make up the difference. That is 12 million a week. Every week. I think viewership would drop significantly . At most the average household would pay for one game per-week. Not the 4 to 5 games most fans watch weekly. I've never pay per viewed anything, just wondering if it was proposed. A lot of fans are yearning, it could be a possibility. I could tell my wife that I need to have a friend or two over, to help pay for it. The is the problem the NFL will have. Instead of a single 100 ticket for one seat. A 15 dollar pay per view would be split across multiple individuals . That will reflect in ratings as lower viewreship. When I said 750,000 viewers . I should have said subscribers for each game. It would be moot anyway If we are still locked down by Football season without anyway to come indirect contact and remain safe. It will be too late by that point. The country will be in really deep S###. Because Schools would be a mirror of stadiums in the way individuals move around. If school do not open and parents cannot work. If it does not, We're screwed. The Government needs to figure this out. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 21, 2020 7:27:18 GMT -5
I've never pay per viewed anything, just wondering if it was proposed. A lot of fans are yearning, it could be a possibility. I could tell my wife that I need to have a friend or two over, to help pay for it. The is the problem the NFL will have. Instead of a single 100 ticket for one seat. A 15 dollar pay per view would be split across multiple individuals . That will reflect in ratings as lower viewreship. When I said 750,000 viewers . I should have said subscribers for each game. It would be moot anyway If we are still locked down by Football season without anyway to come indirect contact and remain safe. It will be too late by that point. The country will be in really deep S###. Because Schools would be a mirror of stadiums in the way individuals move around. If school do not open and parents cannot work. If it does not, We're screwed. The Government needs to figure this out. Schooling is still going on, online and isolated - you being in IT would know this. I work at a college, and know our IT Dept had to scramble to make this happen. I don't believe it is as effective or teaches other aspects of what a young person needs to be involved with, but it may well be the way of the future. Same with working from home, which may become the norm for many. So sports has to find a way to do the same, stay in operation, and try to match the quality and experience in the best way that can work.
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2020 9:58:03 GMT -5
The is the problem the NFL will have. Instead of a single 100 ticket for one seat. A 15 dollar pay per view would be split across multiple individuals . That will reflect in ratings as lower viewreship. When I said 750,000 viewers . I should have said subscribers for each game. It would be moot anyway If we are still locked down by Football season without anyway to come indirect contact and remain safe. It will be too late by that point. The country will be in really deep S###. Because Schools would be a mirror of stadiums in the way individuals move around. If school do not open and parents cannot work. If it does not, We're screwed. The Government needs to figure this out. Schooling is still going on, online and isolated - you being in IT would know this. I work at a college, and know our IT Dept had to scramble to make this happen. I don't believe it is as effective or teaches other aspects of what a young person needs to be involved with, but it may well be the way of the future. Same with working from home, which may become the norm for many. So sports has to find a way to do the same, stay in operation, and try to match the quality and experience in the best way that can work.
It is not in a vacuum. You cannot assume everyone can work from home. Most of the country are small mom and pop businesses with under 50 employees. What do you say to them? I am in IT. Asking technology to be the answer to this only works for a small % of the population. What do you say to special need kids? Kids with learning disabilities that need hand on attention? How do you tell you 16-17 year-old daughter no prom? How do these kidded learn the all important social skills? There has to be other alternatives other than a square peg in a square hole solution. If we can walk a supermarket and stay safe . I can tell you from just shopping for the past 2 months . Social distancing in the aisles is not existent. They are not set up for it. You can have 10 to 12 individuals shopping in a aisle along with store employees restocking. Yet I see the same employees stocking shelves every week and they are not getting sick. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 21, 2020 10:30:37 GMT -5
Schooling is still going on, online and isolated - you being in IT would know this. I work at a college, and know our IT Dept had to scramble to make this happen. I don't believe it is as effective or teaches other aspects of what a young person needs to be involved with, but it may well be the way of the future. Same with working from home, which may become the norm for many. So sports has to find a way to do the same, stay in operation, and try to match the quality and experience in the best way that can work.
It is not in a vacuum. You cannot assume everyone can work from home. Most of the country are small mom and pop businesses with under 50 employees. What do you say to them? I am in IT. Asking technology to be the answer to this only works for a small % of the population. What do you say to special need kids? Kids with learning disabilities that need hand on attention? How do you tell you 16-17 year-old daughter no prom? How do these kidded learn the all important social skills? There has to be other alternatives other than a square peg in a square hole solution. If we can walk a supermarket and stay safe . I can tell you from just shopping for the past 2 months . Social distancing in the aisles is not existent. They are not set up for it. You can have 10 to 12 individuals shopping in a aisle along with store employees restocking. Yet I see the same employees stocking shelves every week and they are not getting sick. I understand your points, as I've read some of it in other threads. I can't answer your concerns on life outside of sports, and certainly agree it gets complicated or not feasible. But if the more serious aspects of our lives are going to be altered or become a hardship, then something relatively inconsequential like spectator sports needs to follow suit or perish. |
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Post by snyder55 on May 21, 2020 10:30:39 GMT -5
Sounds like a very viable option to keep the league going. Not ideal for us fans, but not much in the NFL IS ideal for us fans IMO, doing that would show how replaceable the NFL can be. I'm already annoyed about the constant increase in commercial time. PPV would be the end of the NFL for me. Why can't they take the hit like 90% of others in this pandemic? I agree with you about the increase in commercials and I think Fox is the worst but they all do it, I find myself muting the TV during commercials in order to survive... |
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Post by DandyDon on May 21, 2020 12:38:05 GMT -5
IMO, doing that would show how replaceable the NFL can be. I'm already annoyed about the constant increase in commercial time. PPV would be the end of the NFL for me. Why can't they take the hit like 90% of others in this pandemic? I agree with you about the increase in commercials and I think Fox is the worst but they all do it, I find myself muting the TV during commercials in order to survive... The worst is after touchdowns. They do 5 minutes of commercials, come back and show the kickoff, and then do another round of commercials. |
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Post by giantlegacy on May 21, 2020 13:06:16 GMT -5
It's mid May and hopefully a long hot summer and people getting back out might normalize some of this. I say by October you might have stadiums open with a mask mandatory situation . IMO. This seems more a reality |
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Post by snyder55 on May 21, 2020 15:45:10 GMT -5
I agree with you about the increase in commercials and I think Fox is the worst but they all do it, I find myself muting the TV during commercials in order to survive... The worst is after touchdowns. They do 5 minutes of commercials, come back and show the kickoff, and then do another round of commercials. I say this to my wife all the time and she tells me I should stop watching if it pisses me off, that's easy for her to say... |
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Post by jimmieray on May 22, 2020 5:43:38 GMT -5
The worst is after touchdowns. They do 5 minutes of commercials, come back and show the kickoff, and then do another round of commercials. I say this to my wife all the time and she tells me I should stop watching if it pisses me off, that's easy for her to say... Haha - or the "why do you bother watching them, you know they're just going to loose?" |
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Post by lasion2 on May 28, 2020 13:07:43 GMT -5
It's mid May and hopefully a long hot summer and people getting back out might normalize some of this. I say by October you might have stadiums open with a mask mandatory situation . IMO. This is what should happen, but there are alot of scared people that want us all to stay inside until there is a vaccine. They seem to have the loudest voices right now, too. So I doubt we will see full capacity stadiums this year. But, that’s a discussion for somewhere else. Someone check my math: 5.5 billion divided among the 32 owners is 172 million or so. Each team gets 255 million from the tv contracts. Salary cap is 200 million. Now there’s non player payroll, facility maintenance, insurance, taxes etc on top of the cap that will burn through the leftover 55 million. I’ll take whatever guesses the hit after all that would be. I have no idea. But, I just don’t see how this will be that much of a back breaker for the owners. I’d leave it up to them to renegotiate the tv contract in an emergency addendum type of situation. Can you imagine the Insane ratings? Especially now that baseball looks dead in the water? We might have to endure more commercials in this scenario, but I wouldn’t mind that in this case. Try to add 10% to the contract this year. That’s 25 million. They could negotiate a percentage reduction in the salary cap as well, but that’s tricky. Again, see baseball. I think 10% might be doable if it’s framed correctly and pitched in a “10% bonus next year” presentation. That saves 20 million. After all that it’s up to owners to slash overhead. But some relatively painless steps can result in teams taking in 280 million and spending 180 million on players. That leaves 100 million for everything else. That’s gotta be enough to at least break even, right? |
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