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Post by DandyDon on May 24, 2020 9:23:36 GMT -5
Ian Rapoport @rapsheet · May 21 According to the team side and Dak Prescott’s agent, the report (👇🏽) from @csimmsqb is definitely not true. The two sides have never discussed such scenarios or anything like it. Dak wants a shorter deal, the #Cowboys want a longer one. July 15 is the deadline. Quote Tweet Fake news schoolgirls ! www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/dak-prescott-contract-talk-cowboys-offer-reactions/5bexkg10fkqj1psx9t74y1t6kAgent: www.essentiallysports.com/nfl-news-definitely-not-true-agent-comments-on-dak-prescott-turning-down-reported-175-deal-by-dallas-cowboys/Sims is a dweeb : sports.yahoo.com/cowboys-deny-report-that-qb-dak-prescott-wanted-a-5-year-175-million-contract-185858328.htmlMore: You can argue Dak's efficacy as an NFL QB all you want but look at his QBR's, W/L record, Turnovers, and all this with an uber predictable Jason Garrett offense. Yeah, the Cowboys had a shitty weak playoff record but again ... look at the rigid, make no adjustments, predictable HC not to mention ol Cover 3 and I'll bend but not break while I rush you with my 260 pound DL Rod Marinelli. Yeah, the problem is the GM who, if you notice, is getting A LOT LESS face time lately and it's about time. Things are changing in the organization. Now, on the $175M/5 years .... that works out to $35M/ year. I think too much but it's my team and they just dug themselves out of cap hell. Generally though they've been structuring these large contracts with an out after 2-3 years (Zeke, Lawrence, Cooper). Personally, I'd like to see how he does without being behind what has probably been the best OL in the NFL for his whole career. But that's just me. |
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Post by lasion2 on May 24, 2020 9:30:40 GMT -5
Ian Rapoport @rapsheet · May 21 According to the team side and Dak Prescott’s agent, the report (👇🏽) from @csimmsqb is definitely not true. The two sides have never discussed such scenarios or anything like it. Dak wants a shorter deal, the #Cowboys want a longer one. July 15 is the deadline. Quote Tweet Fake news schoolgirls ! www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/dak-prescott-contract-talk-cowboys-offer-reactions/5bexkg10fkqj1psx9t74y1t6kAgent: www.essentiallysports.com/nfl-news-definitely-not-true-agent-comments-on-dak-prescott-turning-down-reported-175-deal-by-dallas-cowboys/Sims is a dweeb : sports.yahoo.com/cowboys-deny-report-that-qb-dak-prescott-wanted-a-5-year-175-million-contract-185858328.htmlMore: You can argue Dak's efficacy as an NFL QB all you want but look at his QBR's, W/L record, Turnovers, and all this with an uber predictable Jason Garrett offense. Yeah, the Cowboys had a shitty weak playoff record but again ... look at the rigid, make no adjustments, predictable HC not to mention ol Cover 3 and I'll bend but not break while I rush you with my 260 pound DL Rod Marinelli. Yeah, the problem is the GM who, if you notice, is getting A LOT LESS face time lately and it's about time. Things are changing in the organization. Now, on the $175M/5 years .... that works out to $35M/ year. I think too much but it's my team and they just dug themselves out of cap hell. Generally though they've been structuring these large contracts with an out after 2-3 years (Zeke, Lawrence, Cooper). Personally, I'd like to see how he does without being behind what has probably been the best OL in the NFL for his whole career. But that's just me. And arguably the best rb in the league as well. I have a feeling dak needs them in order to be successful a lot more than they need him. |
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on May 24, 2020 11:05:33 GMT -5
Personally, I'd like to see how he does without being behind what has probably been the best OL in the NFL for his whole career. But that's just me. And arguably the best rb in the league as well. I have a feeling dak needs them in order to be successful a lot more than they need him. That best OL / RB argument is getting very old. Everyone agrees that SB is much better ... all the media and of course everyone on here (I think I'm about the only Cowboy fan that participates). PFF OL ratings: 2019 --- #4, 2018 (won the division and divisional round) --- #14, 2017 --- #4, 2016 ( won the division lost to GB in the Divisional round)---#2, 2015 --- #1 (finished 4-12), 2014 --- #1 ( 12-4) So having the best OL translates into some success but the quality is diminishing. Since Zeke they've been #2, #4, #14, #4. Good to very good except 2018. Not the best in several years. So, using these qualifiers "He has been OK but look at his OL and RB" I expect Daniel Jones to be All-Pro. Very upgraded OL, best RB in football, and a year of experience. Remember Dak was a 4th round, 3rd stringer and led the team to a 12-4 ... We can expect AT LEAST this from DJ this year ..... RIGHT???? Just using y'all's metrics. |
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Post by DandyDon on May 24, 2020 11:25:41 GMT -5
And arguably the best rb in the league as well. I have a feeling dak needs them in order to be successful a lot more than they need him. That best OL / RB argument is getting very old. Everyone agrees that SB is much better ... all the media and of course everyone on here (I think I'm about the only Cowboy fan that participates). PFF OL ratings: 2019 --- #4, 2018 (won the division and divisional round) --- #14, 2017 --- #4, 2016 ( won the division lost to GB in the Divisional round)---#2, 2015 --- #1 (finished 4-12), 2014 --- #1 ( 12-4) So having the best OL translates into some success but the quality is diminishing. Since Zeke they've been #2, #4, #14, #4. Good to very good except 2018. Not the best in several years. So, using these qualifiers "He has been OK but look at his OL and RB" I expect Daniel Jones to be All-Pro. Very upgraded OL, best RB in football, and a year of experience. Remember Dak was a 4th round, 3rd stringer and led the team to a 12-4 ... We can expect AT LEAST this from DJ this year ..... RIGHT???? Just using y'all's metrics. Ok. So it doesnt matter. Got it. |
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on May 24, 2020 12:56:14 GMT -5
cop out
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Post by lasion2 on May 25, 2020 8:31:50 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say Barkley is better than Zeke.
If the giants have the 4th best OL in the league this season I would expect DJ stats to match Daks from his second year. 63%, 3,300 yards, 22 tds, 13 ints. Is that what you were looking for? Considering DJ went 62%, 3k yards, 24 tds, 12 ints in 12 games last year with the 17th ranked OL I think he’ll far surpass those numbers.
FWIW, I don’t think anyone expects the Giants OL to be #4 this season.
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Post by KingCap88 on May 25, 2020 12:39:12 GMT -5
Dak won one playoff game and clearly hasn't shown he's worth that much money. But, with that said, I hope the Cowboys break the bank for him and put themselves in salary cap hell for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on May 25, 2020 13:29:13 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say Barkley is better than Zeke. If the giants have the 4th best OL in the league this season I would expect DJ stats to match Daks from his second year. 63%, 3,300 yards, 22 tds, 13 ints. Is that what you were looking for? Considering DJ went 62%, 3k yards, 24 tds, 12 ints in 12 games last year with the 17th ranked OL I think he’ll far surpass those numbers. FWIW, I don’t think anyone expects the Giants OL to be #4 this season. Top 10 maybe. There's some talent there. Top 10 OL should protect DJ and spring Barkley. Barkley has much better lateral movement and better straight away speed than old fat Zeke. I mean, hell, Zeke is carrying at least 15 pounds of extra weight in hair alone. |
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Post by TEM on May 26, 2020 8:33:52 GMT -5
I guess the tag won’t go lower because that’s based on the top QBs, but the salary cap certainly will. Perhaps Dak believes he’s got the Cowboys where he wants them? He just better not get hurt. I really don't think they can lower the cap significantly. Are they going to somehow renogiate existing player contracts? Or decimate teams rosters?
The potential bloodletting of pricey vets and tightened purse strings otherwise would create a one-year free-for-all. More likely would be negotiating a deal where the league would borrow cap dollars from future years, which could lead to multiple years of a flat cap (probably at least until the new TV money kicks in). For now, no one’s sure if it’ll come to that. But teams at least have to be prepared for the idea it could happen, which will lead at some teams to be conservative with their spending. And that’s without even considering that the threat of a revenue shortfall might make teams more conscious of their cap spending too.
Both of these lines are big contract killers. www.si.com/nfl/2020/05/25/veteran-contracts-jalen-hurts-russell-wilson
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Post by DandyDon on May 26, 2020 8:43:30 GMT -5
I really don't think they can lower the cap significantly. Are they going to somehow renogiate existing player contracts? Or decimate teams rosters?
The potential bloodletting of pricey vets and tightened purse strings otherwise would create a one-year free-for-all. More likely would be negotiating a deal where the league would borrow cap dollars from future years, which could lead to multiple years of a flat cap (probably at least until the new TV money kicks in). For now, no one’s sure if it’ll come to that. But teams at least have to be prepared for the idea it could happen, which will lead at some teams to be conservative with their spending. And that’s without even considering that the threat of a revenue shortfall might make teams more conscious of their cap spending too.
Both of these lines are big contract killers. www.si.com/nfl/2020/05/25/veteran-contracts-jalen-hurts-russell-wilson
Yeah, the flat cap seems likely. I just don't see a way to lower it significantly with out causing major issues. |
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Post by lasion2 on May 26, 2020 10:01:56 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say Barkley is better than Zeke. If the giants have the 4th best OL in the league this season I would expect DJ stats to match Daks from his second year. 63%, 3,300 yards, 22 tds, 13 ints. Is that what you were looking for? Considering DJ went 62%, 3k yards, 24 tds, 12 ints in 12 games last year with the 17th ranked OL I think he’ll far surpass those numbers. FWIW, I don’t think anyone expects the Giants OL to be #4 this season. Top 10 maybe. There's some talent there. Top 10 OL should protect DJ and spring Barkley. Barkley has much better lateral movement and better straight away speed than old fat Zeke. I mean, hell, Zeke is carrying at least 15 pounds of extra weight in hair alone. I dunno man. Rookie LT: he’s gonna struggle at times. Especially early with condensed off season and the level of defenses the giants face in the first month (Steelers, bears, 49ers, Rams) immediately followed by 5 division games in 6 weeks. If he grades out as “average” for the season that is both an upgrade and a real promising sign. Solid LG: not sensational, but reliable with room to improve with a better anchor to his left. Hole at C: between halapio, pulley, and lemieux the absolute best we can hope for is average play, and that’s wishful thinking. Good RG: hopefully he goes back to pro-bowl form without a nagging shoulder injury. Wrong side of 30, but he has a capable backup and a few years in the tank I think. RT: 32 year old fading Nate Solder, a career back up, or a rookie 3rd rounder. Average play here would be an upgrade, but I’m not sure we can expect more. I think 17 was too high a ranking from the group last year, but that’s a PFF discussion for another thread. If this group can consistently play between 12-15, which could be a reasonable projection after the first month, we could see the start of a functional offense. |
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Post by TEM on May 26, 2020 13:52:29 GMT -5
I would expect teams to be cautious in doing long-term deals with star players in the coming months, especially in situations where those teams have the flexibility to wait. The reason? If there’s a revenue shortfall this year, and the cap equation spits out a number lower than the $198.2 million figure in place from 2021, it’s pretty unlikely that the league and union will leave that as is.
The potential bloodletting of pricey vets and tightened purse strings otherwise would create a one-year free-for-all. More likely would be negotiating a deal where the league would borrow cap dollars from future years, which could lead to multiple years of a flat cap (probably at least until the new TV money kicks in). For now, no one’s sure if it’ll come to that. But teams at least have to be prepared for the idea it could happen, which will lead at some teams to be conservative with their spending. And that’s without even considering that the threat of a revenue shortfall might make teams more conscious of their cap spending too.
Both of these lines are big contract killers. www.si.com/nfl/2020/05/25/veteran-contracts-jalen-hurts-russell-wilson
Yeah, the flat cap seems likely. I just don't see a way to lower it significantly with out causing major issues. I agree the flat cap option will ease any pain that may be caused. At the same time it is a big contract killer. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 12:17:26 GMT -5
That’s a lot of money and too much for Dak but the success with him as their QB speaks volumes.
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