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Post by gumby on May 18, 2018 18:09:46 GMT -5
Pugh was a good backup utility OL but nothing more. I love to think about how the Cardinals FO thinks of this statement having just inked a 45 million dollar deal. I wonder if they will ask him to move to another position when they need him to.... That's a rhetorical question because of course you expect your 2nd highest paid OL and 11th highest player overall to play wherever you need him. What an idiot. Keep in mind we said something similar to guy whimper and newhouse. They turned out to be starting elsewhere. Not sure where whimper went after the Steelers though.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 19:04:17 GMT -5
He was a good soldier, and it had to suck hearing his unit maligned for years and then be let go as part of the solution. I wouldn't put too much in how he's feeling, now. He was extremely overrated and completely mediocre. Now he's a whiny little twerp to go with it. Yep even when he was healthy he was banged up and never played well. What I don’t understand how he did so well against big names like Watts and Miller and was basically average otherwise. I can’t believe he’s blaming position change for his injuries and probably ineffectiveness. I ragged on Diehl near the end of his career but the guy brought his lunch pail kept his mouth shut and was ready to play anywhere. Pugh was more worried about his contract, i don’t have the articles but he was hesitant to switch from tackle to a guard because they made less money and then got giddy when he saw how much they were making. Couple of years ago he referenced those contracts and said that the giants should do right by him. The guy is worried about his health and money, he considers his position as a job and doesn’t have a championship win at all cost mentality. I’m sure once the guaranteed part of his contract is done he will start working on up on his mic skills and do podcasts like his buddy Schwartz.
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Post by Fletch842 on May 18, 2018 19:18:49 GMT -5
There's a similar thread on the GMB, with some twitter links. Geoff Schwartz got into the gripe fest (playing out of position got me injured) and who came to bat for the Giants - Richie Seubert!!!
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Post by TEM on May 18, 2018 19:29:53 GMT -5
He was extremely overrated and completely mediocre. Now he's a whiny little twerp to go with it. Yep even when he was healthy he was banged up and never played well. What I don’t understand how he did so well against big names like Watts and Miller and was basically average otherwise. I can’t believe he’s blaming position change for his injuries and probably ineffectiveness. I ragged on Diehl near the end of his career but the guy brought his lunch pail kept his mouth shut and was ready to play anywhere. Pugh was more worried about his contract, i don’t have the articles but he was hesitant to switch from tackle to a guard because they made less money and then got giddy when he saw how much they were making. Couple of years ago he referenced those contracts and said that the giants do right by him. The guy is worried about his health and money, he considers his family position as a job and doesn’t have a championship win at all cost mentality. I’m sure once the guaranteed part of his contract is done he will start working on up on his mic skills and do podcasts like his buddy Schwartz. There were a few of us before last offseason saying the exact same thing. I think TCHOF was one of the first to call Pugh out . I agreed with him . Both of us were getting hit hard on the old board for seeing the truth.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 20:10:39 GMT -5
There's a similar thread on the GMB, with some twitter links. Geoff Schwartz got into the gripe fest (playing out of position got me injured) and who came to bat for the Giants - Richie Seubert!!! that’s awesome. Seubert was a real OL. Pugh and Schwartz are two peas in a pod. I love how nobody is buying it. What a lame excuse.
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Post by EliQB10 on May 18, 2018 20:34:26 GMT -5
There's a similar thread on the GMB, with some twitter links. Geoff Schwartz got into the gripe fest (playing out of position got me injured) and who came to bat for the Giants - Richie Seubert!!! that’s awesome. Seubert was a real OL. Pugh and Schwartz are two peas in a pod. I love how nobody is buying it. What a lame excuse. Neither Pugh or Schwartz could touch Rich Seubert's jock strap...that man would try to run through a brick wall for the team if it would help them win...
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Post by Waybackfan on May 19, 2018 4:27:42 GMT -5
Boxing will make you a better boxer.
Yoga makes you a better Yogi.
Swimming makes you a better swimmer.
I suggest avoiding basketball and skydiving in case you were thinking of doing those.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 12:46:31 GMT -5
He was the best of a putrid group. That's not saying much.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 13:31:25 GMT -5
Pugh was a good backup utility OL but nothing more. I love to think about how the Cardinals FO thinks of this statement having just inked a 45 million dollar deal. I wonder if they will ask him to move to another position when they need him to.... That's a rhetorical question because of course you expect your 2nd highest paid OL and 11th highest player overall to play wherever you need him. What an idiot. Keep in mind we said something similar to guy whimper and newhouse. They turned out to be starting elsewhere. Not sure where whimper went after the Steelers though. Whimper is a journeyman backup at best and Newhouse is terrible. LOOk at how much Carr regressed. We had 2 guys rated worse than Newhouse starting on our line. That should put things in perspective when you consider our offensive ineptitude.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 13:34:01 GMT -5
Yep even when he was healthy he was banged up and never played well. What I don’t understand how he did so well against big names like Watts and Miller and was basically average otherwise. I can’t believe he’s blaming position change for his injuries and probably ineffectiveness. I ragged on Diehl near the end of his career but the guy brought his lunch pail kept his mouth shut and was ready to play anywhere. Pugh was more worried about his contract, i don’t have the articles but he was hesitant to switch from tackle to a guard because they made less money and then got giddy when he saw how much they were making. Couple of years ago he referenced those contracts and said that the giants do right by him. The guy is worried about his health and money, he considers his family position as a job and doesn’t have a championship win at all cost mentality. I’m sure once the guaranteed part of his contract is done he will start working on up on his mic skills and do podcasts like his buddy Schwartz. There were a few of us before last offseason saying the exact same thing. I think TCHOF was one of the first to call Pugh out . I agreed with him . Both of us were getting hit hard on the old board for seeing the truth. Yep, saw that on the other board and I posted as much but I was accused of making excuses. First level homer problems. Lol
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Post by Sarcasman on May 19, 2018 13:53:16 GMT -5
"So the reason why I am valuable is that I can play a lot of positions along the offensive line...in theory" Playing them in theory really reduces the injury risk. It’s a much safer option than actually playing them.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 19, 2018 13:56:05 GMT -5
He was extremely overrated and completely mediocre. Now he's a whiny little twerp to go with it. Well said Morehead I have him props for his calling out of the JPP contract when it was done. But it’s not worth it, his head got so big he had to buy all new hats.
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Post by Merc on May 19, 2018 14:34:04 GMT -5
He was ok when healthy, nothing special. Time to move on.
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Post by agiantfan on May 19, 2018 14:48:28 GMT -5
Another Reese Draft Gem. Ranking between R Randle and David Wilson, his best year was his rookie year when you were able to say "he is a rookie he will get better". He should be another 4 year starter that will go right to retirement but since lineman are few and far between he will probably be a backup for 2-3 years in the NFL.
A philly fan as well.
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Post by Morehead State on May 19, 2018 15:06:18 GMT -5
Keep in mind we said something similar to guy whimper and newhouse. They turned out to be starting elsewhere. Not sure where whimper went after the Steelers though. Whimper is a journeyman backup at best and Newhouse is terrible. LOOk at how much Carr regressed. We had 2 guys rated worse than Newhouse starting on our line. That should put things in perspective when you consider our offensive ineptitude. Don't forget that Marshall Newhouse completely shut down JPP last year. Just a reminder.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 16:00:58 GMT -5
Whimper is a journeyman backup at best and Newhouse is terrible. LOOk at how much Carr regressed. We had 2 guys rated worse than Newhouse starting on our line. That should put things in perspective when you consider our offensive ineptitude. Don't forget that Marshall Newhouse completely shut down JPP last year. Just a reminder. A lot of tackles shut down JPP the past two seasons. Thanks goodness Tampa was open to be played like a sucker. Reese should have never given JPP that contract.
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Post by agiantfan on May 19, 2018 19:52:44 GMT -5
Whimper is a journeyman backup at best and Newhouse is terrible. LOOk at how much Carr regressed. We had 2 guys rated worse than Newhouse starting on our line. That should put things in perspective when you consider our offensive ineptitude. Don't forget that Marshall Newhouse completely shut down JPP last year. Just a reminder. The best game newhouse played for the giants was the 2011 playoffs when he played on the packers. He was the key piece in the hurting we put on Aaron Rogers
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Post by gumby on May 20, 2018 19:50:23 GMT -5
Keep in mind we said something similar to guy whimper and newhouse. They turned out to be starting elsewhere. Not sure where whimper went after the Steelers though. Whimper is a journeyman backup at best and Newhouse is terrible. LOOk at how much Carr regressed. We had 2 guys rated worse than Newhouse starting on our line. That should put things in perspective when you consider our offensive ineptitude. My point though is that as bad as we think some players are, they went on to other teams and started. This says lots about how bad OL play is throughout the league. So at some point maybe some of our players aren't as bad as we think .. or maybe all OL men are just really, really bad. lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 6:49:20 GMT -5
Whimper is a journeyman backup at best and Newhouse is terrible. LOOk at how much Carr regressed. We had 2 guys rated worse than Newhouse starting on our line. That should put things in perspective when you consider our offensive ineptitude. My point though is that as bad as we think some players are, they went on to other teams and started. This says lots about how bad OL play is throughout the league. So at some point maybe some of our players aren't as bad as we think .. or maybe all OL men are just really, really bad. lol. Idk about that, is whimper starting? We also had Charlie brown, and Newhouse will be out of a job. He got that gig becuase our quick passing attack hid his weaknesses. The Raiders found out this year and will likely be replacing him.
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2018 6:53:49 GMT -5
Whimper is a journeyman backup at best and Newhouse is terrible. LOOk at how much Carr regressed. We had 2 guys rated worse than Newhouse starting on our line. That should put things in perspective when you consider our offensive ineptitude. My point though is that as bad as we think some players are, they went on to other teams and started. This says lots about how bad OL play is throughout the league. So at some point maybe some of our players aren't as bad as we think .. or maybe all OL men are just really, really bad. lol. I think if anything it shows the lack of talent of the O-line players in the NFL. Anyone with just starting experience is coveted . Bobby Friken Hart received a contract.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 21, 2018 10:03:00 GMT -5
Hi Guys, I finally made it onto here, my first post. Thanks Rosey. OK lets get to it.
Pugh I thought was stable but I thought his strength and worth to the team was his flexibility to play more than one position and stabilize wherever he was put on the OL.
I thought he was average to good. Guess as a 1st rd pick I was hoping for a little more but always thought he was stable. The last few years he was hurt and was not worth a long term commitment imo. But to blame the Giants for his injuries is ridicules.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 21, 2018 14:33:55 GMT -5
I liked Pugh as a player but lets not make excuses now. Football players get injured. Accept it Wonder what David Diehl was thinking when he saw this,Rich Suebert one of my favorites set the record straight politely.
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Post by wonderboys on May 21, 2018 19:36:05 GMT -5
I'm glad he is gone!
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Post by giants38 on May 21, 2018 22:19:46 GMT -5
After all these years, Newhouse is on a roster this season.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 21, 2018 22:36:23 GMT -5
Hi Guys, I finally made it onto here, my first post. Thanks Rosey. OK lets get to it. Pugh I thought was stable but I thought his strength and worth to the team was his flexibility to play more than one position and stabilize wherever he was put on the OL. I thought he was average to good. Guess as a 1st rd pick I was hoping for a little more but always thought he was stable. The last few years he was hurt and was not worth a long term commitment imo. But to blame the Giants for his injuries is ridicules. Good to see you, Rich!
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