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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 9, 2020 10:46:07 GMT -5
Bahahaha... This is real Korean league?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 9, 2020 11:05:31 GMT -5
Bahahaha... This is real Korean league? Yup. Here is another using sex dolls...
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 10, 2020 10:59:45 GMT -5
^ Hmmmmmm... how much do one of those go for?
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Post by DandyDon on Jun 10, 2020 16:26:10 GMT -5
It's not 75%.. it's 75% of the already negotiated salary cuts. It's actually around 37% of their salaries.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 10, 2020 17:25:21 GMT -5
It's not 75%.. it's 75% of the already negotiated salary cuts. It's actually around 37% of their salaries. Well thats awful then
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jun 10, 2020 21:19:52 GMT -5
Yankees select catcher Austin Wells in first round of 2020 MLB Draft The Yankees took left-handed hitting catcher Austin Wells out of Arizona with the 28th-overall pick in Wednesday’s 2020 MLB Draft. The 2019 Pac-12 Freshman of the Year hit .353/.462/.552 in 56 games, and was included on the watchlist for the Buster Posey Award in his sophomore season, and was hitting .375/.527/.589 with two homers, six doubles and 17 walks over his first 15 games before the season was cut short because of the coronavirus pandemic. nypost.com/2020/06/10/yankees-select-catcher-austin-wells-in-first-round-of-2020-mlb-draft/
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Post by DandyDon on Jun 10, 2020 22:33:30 GMT -5
It's not 75%.. it's 75% of the already negotiated salary cuts. It's actually around 37% of their salaries. Well thats awful then Right, awful then.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 10, 2020 23:59:26 GMT -5
It's not 75%.. it's 75% of the already negotiated salary cuts. It's actually around 37% of their salaries. They aren't going to have fans in the ball parks. The revenues will probably be less than 37% of a normal season. Half the games AND no fans.
If the players want to keep acting like douche bags on this, the owners will cancel the season completely. They would lose their shirts for God's sake.
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Post by Nite on Jun 11, 2020 7:31:38 GMT -5
It's not 75%.. it's 75% of the already negotiated salary cuts. It's actually around 37% of their salaries. They aren't going to have fans in the ball parks. The revenues will probably be less than 37% of a normal season. Half the games AND no fans.
If the players want to keep acting like douche bags on this, the owners will cancel the season completely. They would lose their shirts for God's sake.
Normally I'd take an F-em both attitude in situations like this. The players are just soo ignorant and greedy (Yes owners too) hard to feel sympathetic. This year everybody will take a haircut $$ wise. So instead of preserving the season, taking what you can get and focusing on the future, they decided to be petulant children cause' they can't an extra mil or so..Keep in mind every single player is at least a multi millionaire and financially secure, so acting like complete dicks while a lot of their fans are struggling financially is not a good look. NHL and NBA will start up and NFL is gearing up for the new season whilst MLB twiddles its thumb. Very short sighted.. ..What do think the casual fan will do in Aug if this situation continues?..
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Post by DandyDon on Jun 11, 2020 8:24:22 GMT -5
It's not 75%.. it's 75% of the already negotiated salary cuts. It's actually around 37% of their salaries. They aren't going to have fans in the ball parks. The revenues will probably be less than 37% of a normal season. Half the games AND no fans.
If the players want to keep acting like douche bags on this, the owners will cancel the season completely. They would lose their shirts for God's sake.
You have no way to know that. Neither do the players, as the owners wont provide any proof. The owners are trying to pin this on the players, apparently successfully with you.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 11, 2020 8:57:42 GMT -5
They aren't going to have fans in the ball parks. The revenues will probably be less than 37% of a normal season. Half the games AND no fans.
If the players want to keep acting like douche bags on this, the owners will cancel the season completely. They would lose their shirts for God's sake.
You have no way to know that. Neither do the players, as the owners wont provide any proof. The owners are trying to pin this on the players, apparently successfully with you. Pin this on the players? How do you pay players what they want with such a reduction of revenues?
And this "You don't know this?" crap is just that. We DO indeed know that the plan is no fans in the parks. Did you think the fans would send in the ticket money anyway?
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Post by DandyDon on Jun 11, 2020 10:29:21 GMT -5
You have no way to know that. Neither do the players, as the owners wont provide any proof. The owners are trying to pin this on the players, apparently successfully with you. Pin this on the players? How do you pay players what they want with such a reduction of revenues?
And this "You don't know this?" crap is just that. We DO indeed know that the plan is no fans in the parks. Did you think the fans would send in the ticket money anyway?
Let me ask you... would you go back to work if your boss wanted you to quarantine yourself for months away from your family and pay you a third of your salary? And asks you to trust him that it is necessary?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 11, 2020 11:08:42 GMT -5
Both are trying to negotiate and being greedy and it isnt working.
Like I said, set the 78 game season, players get 65% of their yearly pay. Owners and players are both more than wealthy enough to handle that for the 2020 season. And it seems pretty split.
Owners lose a bunch but the players lose 35% of their money to keep the sport afloat and be the main spectacle for about a month before hockey and NBA come back
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 11, 2020 12:01:29 GMT -5
Pin this on the players? How do you pay players what they want with such a reduction of revenues?
And this "You don't know this?" crap is just that. We DO indeed know that the plan is no fans in the parks. Did you think the fans would send in the ticket money anyway?
Let me ask you... would you go back to work if your boss wanted you to quarantine yourself for months away from your family and pay you a third of your salary? And asks you to trust him that it is necessary? Where are the revenues coming from? It's not like the NFL where they have this huge TV deal to cover every game. Baseball depends on live audiences to create revenue.
But you're right..the players don't have to take a pay cut. They can just wait until next year and see if there is a league anymore.
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Post by DandyDon on Jun 12, 2020 9:20:37 GMT -5
Let me ask you... would you go back to work if your boss wanted you to quarantine yourself for months away from your family and pay you a third of your salary? And asks you to trust him that it is necessary? Where are the revenues coming from? It's not like the NFL where they have this huge TV deal to cover every game. Baseball depends on live audiences to create revenue.
But you're right..the players don't have to take a pay cut. They can just wait until next year and see if there is a league anymore.
A couple of thoughts: 1) You are using a straw man argument again. Literally no one is refusing to take a pay cut. But you know that. 2) 30-40% of revenue is from local sources (tickets, concessions, etc), leaving about 60 -70% for the owners. Which is a far cry from the 37% being offered the players currently. A big part of the problem is the owners refuse to provide any proof of their claims, asking the MLBPA to trust them. 3) The owners can just wait until next year and see if there is a league anymore too.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 12, 2020 10:42:49 GMT -5
moved
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 12, 2020 17:02:10 GMT -5
MLB owners expected to offer 70-75 games in proposal Major League Baseball's owners are expected to send a new proposal to the players' union on Friday that includes a 2020 season lasting between 70 and 75 games, sources told ESPN's Karl Ravech. The owners' proposal would include a payment of somewhere between 80% and 85% of the players' prorated salary, which is a slight increase from the owners' last offer. This proposal also includes expanded playoffs and a share of the playoff pool for players. www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29302622/sources-mlb-owners-expected-offer-70-75-game-proposal
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 15, 2020 8:56:44 GMT -5
MLB Is Likely to Play in 2020, But a Strike Is Looming on the Horizon That development was disheartening for fans, but it does look like we'll be getting baseball in 2020. While that's great, the problem comes in the form of labor unrest, which is extremely high right now. The owners and players were already headed for tense negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement when the current deal runs out in 2021, and the past few months may have guaranteed a future strike. It has become clear during the negotiations for 2020 that the owners want a salary cap or some kind of revenue-sharing model. That is, and will remain, a nonstarter for the players. Especially if the owners refuse to fully open their books in negotiations. Given how strong their union is, it's unlikely the players will ever cave on that point. The players were frustrated throughout negotiations for a 2020 start because the owners were claiming poverty after years of record revenues. Each of the owners' proposals was essentially for the same amount of money, just paid out differently depending on the number of games. The players were steadfast that they wanted full prorated salaries, given that they'd be doing the same job as a normal season, just for a different length of time. www.thebiglead.com/posts/mlb-is-likely-to-play-in-2020-but-a-strike-is-looming-on-the-horizon-01eavb1099zb
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Post by DandyDon on Jun 15, 2020 11:56:08 GMT -5
Where are the revenues coming from? It's not like the NFL where they have this huge TV deal to cover every game. Baseball depends on live audiences to create revenue.
But you're right..the players don't have to take a pay cut. They can just wait until next year and see if there is a league anymore.
A couple of thoughts: 1) You are using a straw man argument again. Literally no one is refusing to take a pay cut. But you know that. 2) 30-40% of revenue is from local sources (tickets, concessions, etc), leaving about 60 -70% for the owners. Which is a far cry from the 37% being offered the players currently. A big part of the problem is the owners refuse to provide any proof of their claims, asking the MLBPA to trust them. 3) The owners can just wait until next year and see if there is a league anymore too. "The average MLB team has increased in value by more than $1 billion in just the past six years, from $811 million to $1.852 billion. That’s according to Statista 2020, but all estimates are similar. What the devil is $20 million per team when the average team has been increasing in value by $173.5 million per year? It is the cost of doing business — and fabulous business at that." "If you want an idea of what a fabulous deal it is to own an MLB team — and why so few of them come on the market — just look at the Lerner family. In 2006, when the Lerners bought the Washington Nationals, the average MLB franchise was valued at $376 million. But the Nats were a better-than-average franchise because they played in the eighth-largest U.S. market with the No. 1 per capita income and D.C. was going to build them a new publicly financed ballpark. So they paid $450 million. The current value of the Nats is estimated at $1.9 billion — a gain in 14 years of almost $1.5 billion. If the Nats’ 2019 World Series title ends up drawing bigger crowds and higher TV ratings, that will shoot higher. But the Lerners want to defer salary to Anthony Rendon until eternity." www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/06/15/dont-let-mlb-owners-cry-poor-they-can-afford-do-whats-right-baseball/
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 15, 2020 19:42:25 GMT -5
WNBA:
Everyone: I wonder when the NBA starts again....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 15, 2020 20:35:11 GMT -5
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 15, 2020 23:47:48 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts: 1) You are using a straw man argument again. Literally no one is refusing to take a pay cut. But you know that. 2) 30-40% of revenue is from local sources (tickets, concessions, etc), leaving about 60 -70% for the owners. Which is a far cry from the 37% being offered the players currently. A big part of the problem is the owners refuse to provide any proof of their claims, asking the MLBPA to trust them. 3) The owners can just wait until next year and see if there is a league anymore too. "The average MLB team has increased in value by more than $1 billion in just the past six years, from $811 million to $1.852 billion. That’s according to Statista 2020, but all estimates are similar. What the devil is $20 million per team when the average team has been increasing in value by $173.5 million per year? It is the cost of doing business — and fabulous business at that." "If you want an idea of what a fabulous deal it is to own an MLB team — and why so few of them come on the market — just look at the Lerner family. In 2006, when the Lerners bought the Washington Nationals, the average MLB franchise was valued at $376 million. But the Nats were a better-than-average franchise because they played in the eighth-largest U.S. market with the No. 1 per capita income and D.C. was going to build them a new publicly financed ballpark. So they paid $450 million. The current value of the Nats is estimated at $1.9 billion — a gain in 14 years of almost $1.5 billion. If the Nats’ 2019 World Series title ends up drawing bigger crowds and higher TV ratings, that will shoot higher. But the Lerners want to defer salary to Anthony Rendon until eternity." www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/06/15/dont-let-mlb-owners-cry-poor-they-can-afford-do-whats-right-baseball/I'm sure those valuations have dropped significantly over the past 3 months.
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Post by DandyDon on Jun 16, 2020 9:23:35 GMT -5
"The average MLB team has increased in value by more than $1 billion in just the past six years, from $811 million to $1.852 billion. That’s according to Statista 2020, but all estimates are similar. What the devil is $20 million per team when the average team has been increasing in value by $173.5 million per year? It is the cost of doing business — and fabulous business at that." "If you want an idea of what a fabulous deal it is to own an MLB team — and why so few of them come on the market — just look at the Lerner family. In 2006, when the Lerners bought the Washington Nationals, the average MLB franchise was valued at $376 million. But the Nats were a better-than-average franchise because they played in the eighth-largest U.S. market with the No. 1 per capita income and D.C. was going to build them a new publicly financed ballpark. So they paid $450 million. The current value of the Nats is estimated at $1.9 billion — a gain in 14 years of almost $1.5 billion. If the Nats’ 2019 World Series title ends up drawing bigger crowds and higher TV ratings, that will shoot higher. But the Lerners want to defer salary to Anthony Rendon until eternity." www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/06/15/dont-let-mlb-owners-cry-poor-they-can-afford-do-whats-right-baseball/I'm sure those valuations have dropped significantly over the past 3 months. Yes. I'm sure all the owners are trying to sell these unprofitable teams.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 16, 2020 9:42:41 GMT -5
I'm sure those valuations have dropped significantly over the past 3 months. Yes. I'm sure all the owners are trying to sell these unprofitable teams. Huh?
The value of anything is measured by one thing and one thing only.....What someone else is willing to pay for it.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 17, 2020 9:18:09 GMT -5
Six MLB owners don't want to play 2020 season, per report Rob Manfred needs approval from 75 percent of owners to impose a season Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association have reached a stalemate in negotiations about a potential 2020 season. Over the weekend, the union informed commissioner Rob Manfred that players were ready for him to impose a season, a right he gained in a March agreement between the two sides. Manfred has yet to exercise that option, with rumor having it that the owners are concerned that after doing so the union would file a potentially costly grievance. As it turns out, some owners appear perfectly content to let the clock run out on a season. According to SNY's Andy Martino, there are at least six owners who don't want a 2020 campaign. The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich, for their part, quoted a player agent who said "there are definitely more than eight owners who don't want to play." Whether that's the case or simply speculation is unclear. None of the suspected hardlining owners are named either way. The exact number is more significant than it seems. If there are six or seven owners who are taking an anti-season approach, that's one thing; if there are eight or more, then the dynamic changes. Eight hardliners could, in theory, sink the ship. That's because Manfred needs clearance from 75 percent of the league's owners in order to impose a schedule. www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/six-mlb-owners-dont-want-to-play-2020-season-per-report/
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 17, 2020 9:21:02 GMT -5
Players who choose to sit out remainder of 2019-20 NBA season must notify teams by June 24, per report The league is planning to resume the season in late July The NBA is planning to restart the 2019-20 season on July 30 at Disney World in Orlando, but not everyone is so eager to head into the bubble environment. A group of players led by Brooklyn Nets star Kyrie Irving is against returning because they believe basketball would be a distraction from the Black Lives Matter movement, and that's to say nothing of the coronavirus pandemic, which causes its own, separate concerns. As the players try to figure what they're going to do over the next few weeks, the league is reportedly setting an ultimatum. Players who wish to sit out the remainder of the season must inform teams by June 24, according to Shams Charania of The Athletic. Those who do so will not be paid, but they will face no other penalties or consequences from their teams or the league. That June 24 date is just over one week away, giving players little time to come to a decision. With in-market training camps set to begin on June 30, teams will want to know which players they'll have available the rest of the way. Still, it's clear the league is trying to force the players' hand here by putting them in a tough spot. www.cbssports.com/nba/news/players-who-choose-to-sit-out-remainder-of-2019-20-nba-season-must-notify-teams-by-june-24-per/
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 17, 2020 9:22:37 GMT -5
Kyrie Irving proposed players starting their own league in call urging boycott of NBA season, per report Kyrie Irving continues to share big ideas on the immediate future of the NBA Kyrie Irving has become the leader of the growing movement within the National Basketball Players Association to boycott the remainder of the 2019-20 NBA season, and on Tuesday, he reportedly took part in yet another call in which he urged Brooklyn Nets teammates not to play, according to Stefon Bondy of the New York Daily News. But that wasn't the only radical idea that he proposed. According to Bondy, Irving also argued that players could start their own league. The NBA is unique among sports in the power individual players have. While many sports owe their success to long-term loyalty from fans to teams, interest in basketball is largely owed to a small collection of individual superstars. The idea behind players starting their own league, presumably, would be separating the talent and potential wealth generation of those superstars, who are largely African-American, from the institutions that typically profit off of that talent, which would specifically be the mostly white team owners. There has been no reporting to this point suggesting that other players are interested in Irving's idea. During a Friday conference call with over 80 players present, Irving reportedly said, "I'm not with the systematic racism and the bullshit. … Something smells a little fishy. Whether we want to admit it or not, we are targeted as black men every day we wake up." He additionally claimed that he would give up everything he has for the sake of social justice reform, according to The Athletic's Shams Charania. www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kyrie-irving-proposed-players-starting-their-own-league-in-call-urging-boycott-of-nba-season-per/
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 17, 2020 9:32:31 GMT -5
Troy Vincent says NFL wants Colin Kaepernick to return: 'We're looking for Colin to land a spot' Vincent reiterated that he -- and others in the league office -- still believe Kaepernick can play With each passing day, the NFL wraps its arms even more around the idea that Colin Kaepernick deserves a chance to resume his playing career. After commissioner Roger Goodell said he "welcomes" a team signing the former San Francisco 49ers quarterback, who hasn't played since 2016, league executive Troy Vincent has essentially done the same, telling "The Adam Schefter Podcast" that many NFL personnel believe Kaepernick is talented enough to return, and that the league office wants him back in the game. "It's a club decision," said Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations. "But this young man is talented enough to play in the National Football League. I believed that back in 2016 -- whenever it was, 2016 or 2017 -- and I still believe that today. And he just hasn't had the opportunity to display his talents once again, whether it was in camp or preseason. That's always been my position -- and many of my colleagues' position, frankly, (and) the commissioner's office's position. "But we can't hire," Vincent continued. "And again, my comments that I've just made, they've been documented on the record, in front of a judge, about the work and the efforts that many of us, we're working on behalf of looking for Colin to land a spot." www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/troy-vincent-says-nfl-wants-colin-kaepernick-to-return-were-looking-for-colin-to-land-a-spot/
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 17, 2020 9:37:47 GMT -5
Troy Vincent says NFL wants Colin Kaepernick to return: 'We're looking for Colin to land a spot' Vincent reiterated that he -- and others in the league office -- still believe Kaepernick can play With each passing day, the NFL wraps its arms even more around the idea that Colin Kaepernick deserves a chance to resume his playing career. After commissioner Roger Goodell said he "welcomes" a team signing the former San Francisco 49ers quarterback, who hasn't played since 2016, league executive Troy Vincent has essentially done the same, telling "The Adam Schefter Podcast" that many NFL personnel believe Kaepernick is talented enough to return, and that the league office wants him back in the game. "It's a club decision," said Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations. "But this young man is talented enough to play in the National Football League. I believed that back in 2016 -- whenever it was, 2016 or 2017 -- and I still believe that today. And he just hasn't had the opportunity to display his talents once again, whether it was in camp or preseason. That's always been my position -- and many of my colleagues' position, frankly, (and) the commissioner's office's position. "But we can't hire," Vincent continued. "And again, my comments that I've just made, they've been documented on the record, in front of a judge, about the work and the efforts that many of us, we're working on behalf of looking for Colin to land a spot." www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/troy-vincent-says-nfl-wants-colin-kaepernick-to-return-were-looking-for-colin-to-land-a-spot/The league arranged a work out for all NFL teams a few months ago. And he sabotaged it at the last minute. Does anyone really think he's interested in coming back to the NFL as a back up QB? I think he loves his celebrity as it is right now.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 17, 2020 9:52:12 GMT -5
Troy Vincent says NFL wants Colin Kaepernick to return: 'We're looking for Colin to land a spot' Vincent reiterated that he -- and others in the league office -- still believe Kaepernick can play With each passing day, the NFL wraps its arms even more around the idea that Colin Kaepernick deserves a chance to resume his playing career. After commissioner Roger Goodell said he "welcomes" a team signing the former San Francisco 49ers quarterback, who hasn't played since 2016, league executive Troy Vincent has essentially done the same, telling "The Adam Schefter Podcast" that many NFL personnel believe Kaepernick is talented enough to return, and that the league office wants him back in the game. "It's a club decision," said Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations. "But this young man is talented enough to play in the National Football League. I believed that back in 2016 -- whenever it was, 2016 or 2017 -- and I still believe that today. And he just hasn't had the opportunity to display his talents once again, whether it was in camp or preseason. That's always been my position -- and many of my colleagues' position, frankly, (and) the commissioner's office's position. "But we can't hire," Vincent continued. "And again, my comments that I've just made, they've been documented on the record, in front of a judge, about the work and the efforts that many of us, we're working on behalf of looking for Colin to land a spot." www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/troy-vincent-says-nfl-wants-colin-kaepernick-to-return-were-looking-for-colin-to-land-a-spot/The league arranged a work out for all NFL teams a few months ago. And he sabotaged it at the last minute. Does anyone really think he's interested in coming back to the NFL as a back up QB? I think he loves his celebrity as it is right now.
True, but that was before this latest round of protests and violence. Back then, Godell was still on his "Dont kneel" stance. No, he isnt.
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