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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 27, 2020 10:35:44 GMT -5
I've probably said this before but during this pandemic I've been repeating myself more than usual. Doubt if we can maneuver the cap to make him fit even if he drops his price way down. But I've championed Golden and Griffen or whatever his name is from Minnesota. But he had 74 sacks in 9 years and was touted by Shaun O'Hara.
As you can tell I'm very worried about this teams pass rush. Perhaps were going with Golden on July 23 for 3.5 mil. Which I think would help.
As far as Clowney I still don't know why Cleveland hasn't signed this guy asap. With Miles Garrett on the other side this gives them tremendous pass rush ability. And supposedly they can afford him. With that Cleveland offense the defense probably is playing with the lead most of the time.
Clevelands offense should be a machine. Mayfield has so many weapons. He has to have a monster year. OBJ and Laundry, Chubb, believe they signed a veteran back to go with him, they have 2 good TE's. RT Jack Conklin in FA, Wills from Bama their #1 pick LT, Delpit LSU Safety as their #2 pick. They have #1 picks at CB and DT.
Just sayin Clowney would help so much in Cleveland. I still think Clowney would look good in Blue but if I'm him I want to play with a contender rather than a team in transition. |
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Post by giantlegacy on May 27, 2020 11:04:13 GMT -5
Pass
Golden>Clowney and for a fraction of the price..and will stay on the field
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Post by Kruunch on May 27, 2020 11:35:28 GMT -5
I’m shocked no one has signed him yet. I get it, when you think of Jadaveon Clowney the first word that pops in your head is underachiever. He was over hyped coming out of College. The next LT, and Reggie White wrapped into one. A can’t miss kind of player by all the experts. 6 years later he has yet to showcase that great ability he showed in College. He’s been a very good pro, 3x pro bowls, 9.5 and 9 sack seasons. But not the kind of stats you want from a player who wants $20+ million a season. Just last year on a contract season he had a measly 3 sacks. That’s not a typo, he had 3 sacks. Not a season you want to flaunt to your potential employers. But, he’s only 27 and when healthy is a good player. He is playing the waiting game, waiting for that dumb franchise to give in to his demands. If not, he will take whatever is the best offer. He doesn’t seem like a player who cares about playing for a winning franchise, he plays for the almighty dollar..
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 27, 2020 19:05:36 GMT -5
Pass Golden>Clowney and for a fraction of the price..and will stay on the field Yes I would take Golden it makes sense like you say "for a fraction of the price". But Clowney reminds me of Leonard Williams, both were overhyped out of college but both are still good players. But neither is worth 20 mil+ a season. But I feel they both do cause pressure if not sacks and penetrate vs the run as well as the pass.
So does Golden by the way.
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Post by DandyDon on May 27, 2020 21:13:28 GMT -5
I’m shocked no one has signed him yet. I get it, when you think of Jadaveon Clowney the first word that pops in your head is underachiever. He was over hyped coming out of College. The next LT, and Reggie White wrapped into one. A can’t miss kind of player by all the experts. 6 years later he has yet to showcase that great ability he showed in College. He’s been a very good pro, 3x pro bowls, 9.5 and 9 sack seasons. But not the kind of stats you want from a player who wants $20+ million a season. Just last year on a contract season he had a measly 3 sacks. That’s not a typo, he had 3 sacks. Not a season you want to flaunt to your potential employers. But, he’s only 27 and when healthy is a good player. He is playing the waiting game, waiting for that dumb franchise to give in to his demands. If not, he will take whatever is the best offer. He doesn’t seem like a player who cares about playing for a winning franchise, he plays for the almighty dollar.. If he's playing the waiting game, I think he picked the worst year ever. |
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Post by Kruunch on May 28, 2020 3:55:57 GMT -5
I’m shocked no one has signed him yet. I get it, when you think of Jadaveon Clowney the first word that pops in your head is underachiever. He was over hyped coming out of College. The next LT, and Reggie White wrapped into one. A can’t miss kind of player by all the experts. 6 years later he has yet to showcase that great ability he showed in College. He’s been a very good pro, 3x pro bowls, 9.5 and 9 sack seasons. But not the kind of stats you want from a player who wants $20+ million a season. Just last year on a contract season he had a measly 3 sacks. That’s not a typo, he had 3 sacks. Not a season you want to flaunt to your potential employers. But, he’s only 27 and when healthy is a good player. He is playing the waiting game, waiting for that dumb franchise to give in to his demands. If not, he will take whatever is the best offer. He doesn’t seem like a player who cares about playing for a winning franchise, he plays for the almighty dollar.. If he's playing the waiting game, I think he picked the worst year ever. Agreed. No one said he was smart. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 28, 2020 6:44:31 GMT -5
Pass Golden>Clowney and for a fraction of the price..and will stay on the field We don't know for sure that Golden won't have another setback, and it's not unreasonable to consider Clowney the better player if he could stay healthy (and motivated, which is an undesirable red flag). I do feel Golden did just about everything us fans and the F.O. could have wanted last season, at a bargain. He could remain on our team, again at a bargain, if no other team wants to pay way more and take a bit of a chance. I'd almost say he should be rewarded with a bit more than what I'm hearing he may be stuck with, come July. Get him back with the new program before then - not as a possible malcontent, but as a recognized asset.
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Post by TEM on May 28, 2020 7:14:49 GMT -5
I’m shocked no one has signed him yet. I get it, when you think of Jadaveon Clowney the first word that pops in your head is underachiever. He was over hyped coming out of College. The next LT, and Reggie White wrapped into one. A can’t miss kind of player by all the experts. 6 years later he has yet to showcase that great ability he showed in College. He’s been a very good pro, 3x pro bowls, 9.5 and 9 sack seasons. But not the kind of stats you want from a player who wants $20+ million a season. Just last year on a contract season he had a measly 3 sacks. That’s not a typo, he had 3 sacks. Not a season you want to flaunt to your potential employers. But, he’s only 27 and when healthy is a good player. He is playing the waiting game, waiting for that dumb franchise to give in to his demands. If not, he will take whatever is the best offer. He doesn’t seem like a player who cares about playing for a winning franchise, he plays for the almighty dollar.. If he's playing the waiting game, I think he picked the worst year ever. Is he? Or is he just a moron . factoryofsadness.co/2020/05/27/jadeveon-clowney-regret-cleveland-browns-offer/Jadeveon Clowney has turned down the Cleveland Browns offer. The offer was apparently for more money than any other team was offering across multiple years. A dream contract considering the former No. 1 overall pick has as many suitors as a Pittsburgh Steelers fan has at a Cleveland prom. Next to none. |
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Post by snyder55 on May 28, 2020 15:47:02 GMT -5
In my opinion Clowney will be a rental player for the rest of his career and will just follow the paycheck, just my opinion but that's what I see from him since his Texans days.....
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 28, 2020 15:55:18 GMT -5
At this point I think he signs a 1 year show me contract. And if this doesn't motivate him to have his best year or at least one of his top seasons I don't know what will. If he does have a big year then he sits back and see's who comes calling. Maybe even franchised at least that's a pay day.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 28, 2020 22:28:43 GMT -5
In my opinion Clowney will be a rental player for the rest of his career and will just follow the paycheck, just my opinion but that's what I see from him since his Texans days..... Is this a guy we want on this team this year? Pass |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 13, 2020 11:03:32 GMT -5
Pass Golden>Clowney and for a fraction of the price..and will stay on the field I do agree. Not as much drama also. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 14, 2020 11:46:39 GMT -5
In my opinion Clowney will be a rental player for the rest of his career and will just follow the paycheck, just my opinion but that's what I see from him since his Texans days..... Is this a guy we want on this team this year? Pass Clowney might be a good option for a team that thinks it has a chance to make a run at a championship or SB but for a team like the Giants in a rebuild he is an unnecessary luxury... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 14:19:33 GMT -5
Is this a guy we want on this team this year? Pass Clowney might be a good option for a team that thinks it has a chance to make a run at a championship or SB but for a team like the Giants in a rebuild he is an unnecessary luxury... I believe Clowney would do two things, if signed for the right show me, one year deal contract 1- Be good for 2 more wins, as he has that unique ability to take over a game as a single player on defense...something that would possibly show up against the Cowboys ... that fact alone would be worth it. He WRECKED the 49ers lat year...he alone. He can wreck the Cowstains...it's in him. 2 - Allow the extremely young secondary a bit more press zone/time as we would have a player that takes up 2 blocks ...I believe the third most of any defensive lineman...making every other linemen more effective in garnering a pass rush. Our secondary needs him. I'm seeing a two win difference with Clowney, and on a one year show me deal, not much harm knowing if he gets dinged, or plays like shit... we simply release him. I don't see ANY drawbacks in signing him for a year. Just positives. |
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 23, 2020 20:50:31 GMT -5
Clowney might be a good option for a team that thinks it has a chance to make a run at a championship or SB but for a team like the Giants in a rebuild he is an unnecessary luxury... I believe Clowney would do two things, if signed for the right show me, one year deal contract 1- Be good for 2 more wins, as he has that unique ability to take over a game as a single player on defense...something that would possibly show up against the Cowboys ... that fact alone would be worth it. He WRECKED the 49ers lat year...he alone. He can wreck the Cowstains...it's in him. 2 - Allow the extremely young secondary a bit more press zone/time as we would have a player that takes up 2 blocks ...I believe the third most of any defensive lineman...making every other linemen more effective in garnering a pass rush. Our secondary needs him. I'm seeing a two win difference with Clowney, and on a one year show me deal, not much harm knowing if he gets dinged, or plays like shit... we simply release him. I don't see ANY drawbacks in signing him for a year. Just positives. How much on a 1 year deal? |
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 24, 2020 15:59:39 GMT -5
In my opinion Clowney will be a rental player for the rest of his career and will just follow the paycheck, just my opinion but that's what I see from him since his Texans days..... Is this a guy we want on this team this year? Pass no I don't think he is a guy we want on the team this year so yeah I'll pass too. I think it would be foolish to waste the kind of money he wants on what will be for us a rebuilding season and then watch him walk to the next highest bidder at the end of the year... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 17:33:59 GMT -5
Is this a guy we want on this team this year? Pass no I don't think he is a guy we want on the team this year so yeah I'll pass too. I think it would be foolish to waste the kind of money he wants on what will be for us a rebuilding season and then watch him walk to the next highest bidder at the end of the year... We don't want to spend too much time rebuilding with a QB on a rookie deal....IMHO of course. Leonard Williams is not the 17 million dollar answer |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 24, 2020 21:59:56 GMT -5
no I don't think he is a guy we want on the team this year so yeah I'll pass too. I think it would be foolish to waste the kind of money he wants on what will be for us a rebuilding season and then watch him walk to the next highest bidder at the end of the year... We don't want to spend too much time rebuilding with a QB on a rookie deal....IMHO of course. Leonard Williams is not the 17 million dollar answer So the Giants should pay him $20MM, then maybe he'd be the answer |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 4:06:32 GMT -5
We don't want to spend too much time rebuilding with a QB on a rookie deal....IMHO of course. Leonard Williams is not the 17 million dollar answer So the Giants should pay him $20MM, then maybe he'd be the answer I'm sure the salary he wants vs what any team wants to pay is the reason he is not signed, quite obvious...and I can garner the possibility of this ever happening being close to nill...but, and that's a big ass, fat shaming but....if the Giants "could" make it happen, and it was within their now limited cap space, there is no upside to having this team go for "another" total rebuilding year ....and we could actually start to win games. That might be healthy for everything Giants...from DG, Barkley...all the way to Daniel Jones. We need to see this directional head arctic before we send the QB to hell...get this organization back on a footing of pride and class. I believe Clowney is a player who is good for 2 wins on this team next year. He "could" be there for a 1 year deal...and he "could" wreck the Cowboys single handily. He has that much talent. 7-9 or 9-7...IMHO of course.  |
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Post by TEM on Jun 25, 2020 6:51:18 GMT -5
So the Giants should pay him $20MM, then maybe he'd be the answer I'm sure the salary he wants vs what any team wants to pay is the reason he is not signed, quite obvious...and I can garner the possibility of this ever happening being close to nill...but, and that's a big ass, fat shaming but....if the Giants "could" make it happen, and it was within their now limited cap space, there is no upside to having this team go for "another" total rebuilding year ....and we could actually start to win games. That might be healthy for everything Giants...from DG, Barkley...all the way to Daniel Jones. We need to see this directional head arctic before we send the QB to hell...get this organization back on a footing of pride and class. I believe Clowney is a player who is good for 2 wins on this team next year. He "could" be there for a 1 year deal...and he "could" wreck the Cowboys single handily. He has that much talent. 7-9 or 9-7...IMHO of course. The other 14 he will be incapacitated and sitting those games out. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 25, 2020 9:49:27 GMT -5
So the Giants should pay him $20MM, then maybe he'd be the answer I'm sure the salary he wants vs what any team wants to pay is the reason he is not signed, quite obvious...and I can garner the possibility of this ever happening being close to nill...but, and that's a big ass, fat shaming but....if the Giants "could" make it happen, and it was within their now limited cap space, there is no upside to having this team go for "another" total rebuilding year ....and we could actually start to win games. That might be healthy for everything Giants...from DG, Barkley...all the way to Daniel Jones. We need to see this directional head arctic before we send the QB to hell...get this organization back on a footing of pride and class. I believe Clowney is a player who is good for 2 wins on this team next year. He "could" be there for a 1 year deal...and he "could" wreck the Cowboys single handily. He has that much talent. 7-9 or 9-7...IMHO of course. I was being sarcastic, because I was referring to Williams. They should pay him the $20MM so he’ll play better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 10:26:42 GMT -5
I'm sure the salary he wants vs what any team wants to pay is the reason he is not signed, quite obvious...and I can garner the possibility of this ever happening being close to nill...but, and that's a big ass, fat shaming but....if the Giants "could" make it happen, and it was within their now limited cap space, there is no upside to having this team go for "another" total rebuilding year ....and we could actually start to win games. That might be healthy for everything Giants...from DG, Barkley...all the way to Daniel Jones. We need to see this directional head arctic before we send the QB to hell...get this organization back on a footing of pride and class. I believe Clowney is a player who is good for 2 wins on this team next year. He "could" be there for a 1 year deal...and he "could" wreck the Cowboys single handily. He has that much talent. 7-9 or 9-7...IMHO of course. The other 14 he will be incapacitated and sitting those games out.  Always a possibility for any player...but again, if you can get him for a 1 year deal and still be under our cap (would be difficult as I play with the GM game)...I would take that chance 10 times out of 10. It's not happening of course as our cap space and what he wants would be a major problem ...but I'm not certain we can suffer another top 10 draft pick, and this defense is horrible on paper (talent). Now, I know you are an anti Clown TEM, but for others with open minds towards the JC...would you be willing to go 2-3 years, with a back loaded contract to slip under the cap this year? ...even with the expected Golden return at 4 million? Hustling scheme man Golden and the freak called Clowny added to this defense could make it respectable, even if we had to take a chance of 3 years (QB rookie contract time) with the Clown. Just making Giant talk in a slow non football year. I am getting tired of mock drafting after the first half of the first game....every year.  |
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