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Post by snyder55 on May 30, 2020 14:56:25 GMT -5
the liquor always goes first with looters, wonder what kind of statement that makes...
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Post by TEM on May 30, 2020 16:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by Kruunch on May 30, 2020 18:29:11 GMT -5
A major injustice occurred and we all saw it on video. So what do protesters do? They rob, vandalize, and destroy the very City they live in. Yeah, that will show them. Protest the right way, stand for what you believe in. But do it peacefully, violence and mayhem never fix the situation. And most certainly will not bring back George Floyd.
I was disgusted seeing that video, for the first time in my life a human being got murdered in broad daylight by the very people who are sworn to protect us. I’m ashamed being a human being right now. We have lost our ways for far too long now. We attack instead of protect, we take out our phones and record instead of helping. We should all learn from this tragic event. Hate never brings back a loved one, it only creates a bigger hole in itself. Use your anger and frustration for good, help others that need help, prioritize that injustice is not tolerated. We’re better than this aren’t we?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 18:48:31 GMT -5
A major injustice occurred and we all saw it on video. So what do protesters do? They rob, vandalize, and destroy the very City they live in. Yeah, that will show them. Protest the right way, stand for what you believe in. But do it peacefully, violence and mayhem never fix the situation. And most certainly will not bring back George Floyd. I was disgusted seeing that video, for the first time in my life a human being got murdered in broad daylight by the very people who are sworn to protect us. I’m ashamed being a human being right now. We have lost our ways for far too long now. We attack instead of protect, we take out our phones and record instead of helping. We should all learn from this tragic event. Hate never brings back a loved one, it only creates a bigger hole in itself. Use your anger and frustration for good, help others that need help, prioritize that injustice is not tolerated. We’re better than this aren’t we? Truth. Too bad the world is full of ignorance and hate and on a tragic downward spiral. Everyone is Karen.
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Post by GameTime on May 30, 2020 19:41:24 GMT -5
so whats more violent.......trashing a city or having someone kneel on your neck and kill you while you plead for your life...??
I take cold heartless murder being way more violent over trashing buildings 100 times out of 100
Peaceful protest hasnt worked. MLK marched 60 years ago and this shit still goes on. Even with video evidence so many of these POS human beings who happen to be cops get away with shit all the time. That POS only got arrested after the riots. He should have been arrested that day along with the other cops present.
The "All Lives Matter" is a bullshit statement too because its obviously not true.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 20:03:21 GMT -5
so whats more violent.......trashing a city or having someone kneel on your neck and kill you while you plead for your life...?? I take cold heartless murder being way more violent over trashing buildings 100 times out of 100 Peaceful protest hasnt worked. MLK marched 60 years ago and this shit still goes on. Even with video evidence so many of these POS human beings who happen to be cops get away with shit all the time. That POS only got arrested after the riots. He should have been arrested that day along with the other cops present. The "All Lives Matter" is a bullshit statement too because its obviously not true. The problem is.....it's not the first time these type of protests have lead to this kind of violence, looting and destruction of property. It doesn't work either. And makes others leery of standing up for them. The only thing that beats hate......is love. Hate met with hate leads to death and destruction. The only one's who win in that are the one's with the power.
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Post by GameTime on May 30, 2020 20:33:20 GMT -5
so whats more violent.......trashing a city or having someone kneel on your neck and kill you while you plead for your life...?? I take cold heartless murder being way more violent over trashing buildings 100 times out of 100 Peaceful protest hasnt worked. MLK marched 60 years ago and this shit still goes on. Even with video evidence so many of these POS human beings who happen to be cops get away with shit all the time. That POS only got arrested after the riots. He should have been arrested that day along with the other cops present. The "All Lives Matter" is a bullshit statement too because its obviously not true. The problem is.....it's not the first time these type of protests have lead to this kind of violence, looting and destruction of property. It doesn't work either. And makes others leery of standing up for them. The only thing that beats hate......is love. Hate met with hate leads to death and destruction. The only one's who win in that are the one's with the power. I get that but there is a large contingent of people who are very pissed off. You are right about the "hate" as well. If the shoe was on the other foot and black cops had a habit of killing white men it would be no different. Well it would be different. Instead of riots, fires, and looting there would be bands of militia types shooting their way through towns and cities. Just a few weeks ago peeps like this were decked out in camo and and weapons at their city to protest ****ing wearing masks!! Society is a shit show and pretty much always has been I dont see it ever being much better. Look back through the history of man. When was there ever a time when one group wasnt forcing their will on another group? There has always been wars, battles, prejudice, injustice, greed, hate etc. Its human nature and as long as we inhabit this planet there will be huge population of hateful assholes. Always has and always will be.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 20:45:35 GMT -5
The problem is.....it's not the first time these type of protests have lead to this kind of violence, looting and destruction of property. It doesn't work either. And makes others leery of standing up for them. The only thing that beats hate......is love. Hate met with hate leads to death and destruction. The only one's who win in that are the one's with the power. I get that but there is a large contingent of people who are very pissed off. You are right about the "hate" as well. If the shoe was on the other foot and black cops had a habit of killing white men it would be no different. Well it would be different. Instead of riots, fires, and looting there would be bands of militia types shooting their way through towns and cities. Just a few weeks ago peeps like this were decked out in camo and and weapons at their city to protest ****ing wearing masks!! Society is a shit show and pretty much always has been I dont see it ever being much better. Look back through the history of man. When was there ever a time when one group wasnt forcing their will on another group? There has always been wars, battles, prejudice, injustice, greed, hate etc. Its human nature and as long as we inhabit this planet there will be huge population of hateful assholes. Always has and always will be. I don't believe it's human nature. I believe hate is a learned behavior. The real culprit is ignorance.
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Post by Waybackfan on May 30, 2020 20:51:24 GMT -5
Hey, it was supposed to be a funny.
Nobody in Minnesota wants a Kirk Cousins jersey!
Ha! Ha!
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on May 30, 2020 20:59:12 GMT -5
I'm not ashamed to be a human being. I'm proud of myself, my kids, and the quality of character of the few in my circle.
But i'm not the kind of human being that puts his knee on the neck of the defenseless nor the kind that would loot, steal from others, or destroy another's property. That type of person is scum.
I will give y'all the concession that society, especially American society, is pretty rotten. Moral decay is evident all around in all facets ... from the poor and oppressed , to local, state, and federal governments. There is still decency but the decent are outnumbered or too meek.
It's just a choice of which fork in the road you decide to take.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 21:04:45 GMT -5
Hey, it was supposed to be a funny. Nobody in Minnesota wants a Kirk Cousins jersey! Ha! Ha! Yeah.....tough to laugh at it right now. The entire situation is ****ed from the start.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on May 30, 2020 21:12:13 GMT -5
This though is freakin hilarious. Ingeniously photo shopped.
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Post by mikethenygfan on May 31, 2020 7:07:24 GMT -5
great, they are protesting in my town now, people are just using this for a reason to cause mischief and be criminals it’s disgusting, the officer is being arrested. These people looting stores are not protesters they are criminals.
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Post by Nite on May 31, 2020 7:39:17 GMT -5
so whats more violent.......trashing a city or having someone kneel on your neck and kill you while you plead for your life...?? I take cold heartless murder being way more violent over trashing buildings 100 times out of 100 Peaceful protest hasnt worked. MLK marched 60 years ago and this shit still goes on. Even with video evidence so many of these POS human beings who happen to be cops get away with shit all the time. That POS only got arrested after the riots. He should have been arrested that day along with the other cops present. The "All Lives Matter" is a bullshit statement too because its obviously not true. All lives do matter.. Your statement is bullshit. If you don't like the cops or civil society why don't you volunteer your lifetime's savings and property because you feel a sense of guilt over what others do and what you have achived. If you don't law and order, do without. You have my permission
How about the disabled people who were assaulted and robbed for the crime of just being there. How about the business that were destroyed (some blacked owned btw) in a blink of an eye that took a lifetime of work to build and now gone - poof. Lifetime savings up in a flash. Do they get any sympathy? Real ****ing easy to moralize from the safety of one's keyboard, isn't it? Most of these 'protestors' come from other areas, loot, assault, burn, steal in response..Its not a protest, it is an opportunity to get some free shit.They don' give a flying **** about the cause.
George Floyd deserves justice but this ain't it..
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Post by GameTime on May 31, 2020 8:56:32 GMT -5
so whats more violent.......trashing a city or having someone kneel on your neck and kill you while you plead for your life...?? I take cold heartless murder being way more violent over trashing buildings 100 times out of 100 Peaceful protest hasnt worked. MLK marched 60 years ago and this shit still goes on. Even with video evidence so many of these POS human beings who happen to be cops get away with shit all the time. That POS only got arrested after the riots. He should have been arrested that day along with the other cops present. The "All Lives Matter" is a bullshit statement too because its obviously not true. All lives do matter.. Your statement is bullshit. If you don't like the cops or civil society why don't you volunteer your lifetime's savings and property because you feel a sense of guilt over what others do and what you have achived. If you don't law and order, do without. You have my permission
How about the disabled people who were assaulted and robbed for the crime of just being there. How about the business that were destroyed (some blacked owned btw) in a blink of an eye that took a lifetime of work to build and now gone - poof. Lifetime savings up in a flash. Do they get any sympathy? Real ****ing easy to moralize from the safety of one's keyboard, isn't it? Most of these 'protestors' come from other areas, loot, assault, burn, steal in response..Its not a protest, it is an opportunity to get some free shit.They don' give a flying **** about the cause.
George Floyd deserves justice but this ain't it..
you arent reading my post properly at all. I come from a family of cops on my wife's side. All great cops. Its these particular cops and other like them. There are many. I have met many racist cops( and civilians) in my day. I clearly stated that no one wants violence but its unavoidable a times. This is not an isolated instance. This is not the first time its happened. Its built up rage over decades. You want me to put myself in others shoes then you should do the same. Imagine having to explain in detail to you your 17 year old black son on how to act if you get pulled over so you dont get shot! I have friends who have had to do this!! They actually fear for his life after he got his drivers license. ITS NOT JUST ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD.....Why dont you get that??!! You think these riots are about one guy or one circumstance. Look at all the peaceful protest from black people, celebrities, groups, athletes and it STILL gets trashed by prejudice white America. I did it myself with Kaepernick. I am guilty of that. He just took a knee and he received ****ing death threats!! I certainly dont have the answers, I respect law enforcement, I respect other races, but I do not respect prejudice. I appreciate your view point as well. BTW....I am not hiding behind a keyboard. Its a message board right? You post messages. If we were in person I would say the same things to you or anyone. There has always been prejudice and oppression of others throughout history. Its always been there and always will. Maybe someday it wont be so widespread. Its a global problem and not just a Black and White thing. All types of racial and social oppression going on all over the world. Its in the news every day like clockwork. Its part of our human nature/condition overall IMO
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Post by Nite on May 31, 2020 9:26:00 GMT -5
All lives do matter.. Your statement is bullshit. If you don't like the cops or civil society why don't you volunteer your lifetime's savings and property because you feel a sense of guilt over what others do and what you have achived. If you don't law and order, do without. You have my permission
How about the disabled people who were assaulted and robbed for the crime of just being there. How about the business that were destroyed (some blacked owned btw) in a blink of an eye that took a lifetime of work to build and now gone - poof. Lifetime savings up in a flash. Do they get any sympathy? Real ****ing easy to moralize from the safety of one's keyboard, isn't it? Most of these 'protestors' come from other areas, loot, assault, burn, steal in response..Its not a protest, it is an opportunity to get some free shit.They don' give a flying **** about the cause.
George Floyd deserves justice but this ain't it..
you arent reading my post properly at all. I come from a family of cops on my wife's side. All great cops. Its these particular cops and other like them. There are many. I have met many racist cops( and civilians) in my day. I clearly stated that no one wants violence but its unavoidable a times. This is not an isolated instance. This is not the first time its happened. Its built up rage over decades. You want me to put myself in others shoes then you should do the same. Imagine having to explain in detail to you your 17 year old black son on how to act if you get pulled over so you dont get shot! I have friends who have had to do this!! They actually fear for his life after he got his drivers license. ITS NOT JUST ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD.....Why dont you get that??!! You think these riots are about one guy or one circumstance. Look at all the peaceful protest from black people, celebrities, groups, athletes and it STILL gets trashed by prejudice white America. I did it myself with Kaepernick. I am guilty of that. He just took a knee and he received ****ing death threats!! I certainly dont have the answers, I respect law enforcement, I respect other races, but I do not respect prejudice. I appreciate your view point as well. BTW....I am not hiding behind a keyboard. Its a message board right? You post messages. If we were in person I would say the same things to you or anyone. There has always been prejudice and oppression of others throughout history. Its always been there and always will. Maybe someday it wont be so widespread. Its a global problem and not just a Black and White thing. All types of racial and social oppression going on all over the world. Its in the news every day like clockwork. Its part of our human nature/condition overall IMO Its still bullshit. You don't have the right to commit crimes because you feel rage or injustice from others. Commit crimes is NOT justified.. If you feel guilty over your feelings - that is your problem, you need to work on that..How about the innocent people that were assaulted, robbed and even killed? No sympathy for them?
The pandora's box you are suggestion will lead to society's destruction.. Every race, creed and nationality have grievances. You want to go eye for eye? Hold grudges for centuries? Guaranteed anarchy and destruction.. You are not thinking clearly. Hey, you wanna go that route I gotta a couple for ya and they are whoppers..
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Post by Waybackfan on May 31, 2020 9:54:15 GMT -5
60" screen TVs found equally responsible for George Floyd's death and must be stolen.
Other home furnishings like lamps and microwave ovens also found guilty.
Kirk Cousins' jersey innocent and spared.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 31, 2020 10:50:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the much needed smile.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 31, 2020 10:58:01 GMT -5
All lives do matter.. Your statement is bullshit. If you don't like the cops or civil society why don't you volunteer your lifetime's savings and property because you feel a sense of guilt over what others do and what you have achived. If you don't law and order, do without. You have my permission
How about the disabled people who were assaulted and robbed for the crime of just being there. How about the business that were destroyed (some blacked owned btw) in a blink of an eye that took a lifetime of work to build and now gone - poof. Lifetime savings up in a flash. Do they get any sympathy? Real ****ing easy to moralize from the safety of one's keyboard, isn't it? Most of these 'protestors' come from other areas, loot, assault, burn, steal in response..Its not a protest, it is an opportunity to get some free shit.They don' give a flying **** about the cause.
George Floyd deserves justice but this ain't it..
you arent reading my post properly at all. I come from a family of cops on my wife's side. All great cops. Its these particular cops and other like them. There are many. I have met many racist cops( and civilians) in my day. I clearly stated that no one wants violence but its unavoidable a times. This is not an isolated instance. This is not the first time its happened. Its built up rage over decades. You want me to put myself in others shoes then you should do the same. Imagine having to explain in detail to you your 17 year old black son on how to act if you get pulled over so you dont get shot! I have friends who have had to do this!! They actually fear for his life after he got his drivers license. ITS NOT JUST ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD.....Why dont you get that??!! You think these riots are about one guy or one circumstance. Look at all the peaceful protest from black people, celebrities, groups, athletes and it STILL gets trashed by prejudice white America. I did it myself with Kaepernick. I am guilty of that. He just took a knee and he received ****ing death threats!! I certainly dont have the answers, I respect law enforcement, I respect other races, but I do not respect prejudice. I appreciate your view point as well. BTW....I am not hiding behind a keyboard. Its a message board right? You post messages. If we were in person I would say the same things to you or anyone. There has always been prejudice and oppression of others throughout history. Its always been there and always will. Maybe someday it wont be so widespread. Its a global problem and not just a Black and White thing. All types of racial and social oppression going on all over the world. Its in the news every day like clockwork. Its part of our human nature/condition overall IMO I just saw a new video of the cops struggling with Floyd in their Explorer prior to pinning him down. But no one cares about that. All we care about is what we saw.
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Post by desertash on May 31, 2020 11:36:16 GMT -5
I cannot conceive anyone seeing anything other than the inhumane murderous treatment of George Floyd in that video. Thoughts and prayers to his family.
I've used the King Riots and Katrina events as thresholds on different mob responses for years. King started as righteous anger, but soon turned into devil's night out. These riots are similar, but this is far more serious than the King event and larger in scope and scale. There are people in each location agitating and amplifying angst. There's video of someone who appeared to pick up one of the gas canisters and ran around the streets at marchers to scare them and make them run in all directions. Pure evil there.
As others have pointed out this is cannibalistic to the neighborhoods where they are occurring (though there's accusations of "outside forces" from local leadership). This will slow recovery down even more than what we are already experiencing. Fashion Square mall was looted about midnight last night in South Scottsdale. That's simply egregious behavior with only selfish intent.
We're barely 90 days into this challenge, and with an even tougher road ahead. The virus The economy The oil war
Leadership needs to step up and communicate clearly, concisely and compassionately about these challenges and plan for how to take care of Main Street during what will almost certainly be a period of austerity. We as a nation have not had that experience for generations.
Because if they don't get a handle on all of this, then the Katrina mob response happens...but larger in scope and scale.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 31, 2020 12:00:41 GMT -5
How did this nation ever accomplish anything without this new huge army of genius armchair activists?
It's like the old saying goes, there's talkers and there's doers. The doers are too busy for the social media circle jerk while the talkers might have no reason to exist without it.
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Post by desertash on May 31, 2020 12:04:02 GMT -5
How did this nation ever accomplish anything without this new huge army of genius armchair activists? It's like the old saying goes, there's talkers and there's doers. The doers are too busy for the social media circle jerk while the talkers might have no reason to exist without it. There's ample time and opportunity to do both.
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Post by GameTime on May 31, 2020 17:46:09 GMT -5
you arent reading my post properly at all. I come from a family of cops on my wife's side. All great cops. Its these particular cops and other like them. There are many. I have met many racist cops( and civilians) in my day. I clearly stated that no one wants violence but its unavoidable a times. This is not an isolated instance. This is not the first time its happened. Its built up rage over decades. You want me to put myself in others shoes then you should do the same. Imagine having to explain in detail to you your 17 year old black son on how to act if you get pulled over so you dont get shot! I have friends who have had to do this!! They actually fear for his life after he got his drivers license. ITS NOT JUST ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD.....Why dont you get that??!! You think these riots are about one guy or one circumstance. Look at all the peaceful protest from black people, celebrities, groups, athletes and it STILL gets trashed by prejudice white America. I did it myself with Kaepernick. I am guilty of that. He just took a knee and he received ****ing death threats!! I certainly dont have the answers, I respect law enforcement, I respect other races, but I do not respect prejudice. I appreciate your view point as well. BTW....I am not hiding behind a keyboard. Its a message board right? You post messages. If we were in person I would say the same things to you or anyone. There has always been prejudice and oppression of others throughout history. Its always been there and always will. Maybe someday it wont be so widespread. Its a global problem and not just a Black and White thing. All types of racial and social oppression going on all over the world. Its in the news every day like clockwork. Its part of our human nature/condition overall IMO Its still bullshit. You don't have the right to commit crimes because you feel rage or injustice from others. Commit crimes is NOT justified.. If you feel guilty over your feelings - that is your problem, you need to work on that..How about the innocent people that were assaulted, robbed and even killed? No sympathy for them?
The pandora's box you are suggestion will lead to society's destruction.. Every race, creed and nationality have grievances. You want to go eye for eye? Hold grudges for centuries? Guaranteed anarchy and destruction.. You are not thinking clearly. Hey, you wanna go that route I gotta a couple for ya and they are whoppers..
For some reason you are not understanding that I am NOT condoning nor want the violence. Its is a product of what we, as a society, have created. I never said eye for an eye? I never said violence is the way because of this or that. Every race..............Not shit a that is exactly what I said!! Oppression has been part of the human condition since day one. Its a global and historical situation. I am a white mid 50s American male and I have never needed a protest or a slogan or violence to show that I am oppressed or that my civil rights were being compromised on an ongoing basis. I am speaking just for myself but my situation is not unlike thousands of others. I am privileged and I admit it I am thinking quite clearly and I see the whole picture only from a perspective that is not experienced what so many POCs have. All I can do is voice my opinion and have empathy.
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Post by GameTime on May 31, 2020 17:48:18 GMT -5
you arent reading my post properly at all. I come from a family of cops on my wife's side. All great cops. Its these particular cops and other like them. There are many. I have met many racist cops( and civilians) in my day. I clearly stated that no one wants violence but its unavoidable a times. This is not an isolated instance. This is not the first time its happened. Its built up rage over decades. You want me to put myself in others shoes then you should do the same. Imagine having to explain in detail to you your 17 year old black son on how to act if you get pulled over so you dont get shot! I have friends who have had to do this!! They actually fear for his life after he got his drivers license. ITS NOT JUST ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD.....Why dont you get that??!! You think these riots are about one guy or one circumstance. Look at all the peaceful protest from black people, celebrities, groups, athletes and it STILL gets trashed by prejudice white America. I did it myself with Kaepernick. I am guilty of that. He just took a knee and he received ****ing death threats!! I certainly dont have the answers, I respect law enforcement, I respect other races, but I do not respect prejudice. I appreciate your view point as well. BTW....I am not hiding behind a keyboard. Its a message board right? You post messages. If we were in person I would say the same things to you or anyone. There has always been prejudice and oppression of others throughout history. Its always been there and always will. Maybe someday it wont be so widespread. Its a global problem and not just a Black and White thing. All types of racial and social oppression going on all over the world. Its in the news every day like clockwork. Its part of our human nature/condition overall IMO I just saw a new video of the cops struggling with Floyd in their Explorer prior to pinning him down. But no one cares about that. All we care about is what we saw. What are you getting at? They struggled in the police vehicle so they took him and knelt on his neck? I dont get it Rosie?
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Post by Roosevelt on May 31, 2020 19:29:42 GMT -5
I just saw a new video of the cops struggling with Floyd in their Explorer prior to pinning him down. But no one cares about that. All we care about is what we saw. What are you getting at? They struggled in the police vehicle so they took him and knelt on his neck? I dont get it Rosie?
What I'm getting at is that we've all reacted to what we saw and what we've been told - which is little.
We all saw something horrific and video to support that there was absolutely no reason for that cop to put a knee in his neck.
It's my opinion that the Minneapolis Police Dept. not only has rogue cops (yes, IMO the other 3 need to be charged as well) but they have terrible leadership as well who should be fired.
Things escalated because of their failure to a) they had bad cops, b) the didn't react fast enough, and c) they failed to communicate properly.
We should not be finding out 6 days later that there was a possible altercation which might better explain the circumstances of what we saw. It was imperative to release any information like that immediately. I'm not condoning the knee to neck as every police officer I've heard have said that is against their training.
This whole thing is just such a cluster****.
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Post by GameTime on May 31, 2020 22:47:32 GMT -5
What are you getting at? They struggled in the police vehicle so they took him and knelt on his neck? I dont get it Rosie?
What I'm getting at is that we've all reacted to what we saw and what we've been told - which is little.
We all saw something horrific and video to support that there was absolutely no reason for that cop to put a knee in his neck.
It's my opinion that the Minneapolis Police Dept. not only has rogue cops (yes, IMO the other 3 need to be charged as well) but they have terrible leadership as well who should be fired.
Things escalated because of their failure to a) they had bad cops, b) the didn't react fast enough, and c) they failed to communicate properly.
We should not be finding out 6 days later that there was a possible altercation which might better explain the circumstances of what we saw. It was imperative to release any information like that immediately. I'm not condoning the knee to neck as every police officer I've heard have said that is against their training.
This whole thing is just such a cluster****.
Gotcha.....The Police Chief of Minneapolis said today that the other officers are complicit as well and I am sure he has seen all available footage. There is always more to the story.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 1, 2020 15:07:42 GMT -5
what kind of a statement does looting liquor stores make, just asking ???
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Post by Waybackfan on Jun 2, 2020 5:26:20 GMT -5
what kind of a statement does looting liquor stores make, just asking ??? Floyd was drunk at the time of his arrest so liquor stores are guilty and must be looted.
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