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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 21, 2020 16:20:45 GMT -5
Word is Dak will sign tomorrow (Monday).
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Jun 23, 2020 11:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by devilsadvocate on Jun 23, 2020 12:35:49 GMT -5
A lot of money for some decent stats but no big wins. When was the last time the Cowboys were in the NFC championship game? This guy has arguably the most offensive talent around him other than Mahomes and nothing to show for it.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 23, 2020 13:26:32 GMT -5
31 mil guaranteed for 2020. Not a bad payday to me. That makes 7 QB's making over 30 mil this year. Wilson the highest at 35 or 36. Until Mahomes makes 40 mil per year.
Dak was just shy of 5,000 yds passing, 30 TD's or more, 11-12 ints. And this year with Cee Dee Lamb joining the party the sky is the limit. Dallas is going to be a machine scoring points this season. Not a single weak spot on offense. A+ grades at QB, RB, WR, OL, only TE is mediocre. Scary good.
If their defense is just mediocre they win 11-12 games minimum. To me Dak is worth it. Would you rather go with Andy Dalton ? Or sign banged up Cam Newton ? Can Cam fit in as smoothly and hold together ? How much 22-25 mil ? So for the difference why not sign Dak ?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 23, 2020 17:01:24 GMT -5
31 mil guaranteed for 2020. Not a bad payday to me. That makes 7 QB's making over 30 mil this year. Wilson the highest at 35 or 36. Until Mahomes makes 40 mil per year. Dak was just shy of 5,000 yds passing, 30 TD's or more, 11-12 ints. And this year with Cee Dee Lamb joining the party the sky is the limit. Dallas is going to be a machine scoring points this season. Not a single weak spot on offense. A+ grades at QB, RB, WR, OL, only TE is mediocre. Scary good. If their defense is just mediocre they win 11-12 games minimum. To me Dak is worth it. Would you rather go with Andy Dalton ? Or sign banged up Cam Newton ? Can Cam fit in as smoothly and hold together ? How much 22-25 mil ? So for the difference why not sign Dak ? Their line is getting old and starting to fall apart...Smith hasn't played 16 games in a while and has a chronic back. They blew it by giving Cooper 100 million when they knew they had a shot at an elite WR in the draft...so they sign him and then draft someone that would have been actually an upgrade if they let him walk
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Post by GameTime on Jun 23, 2020 18:28:37 GMT -5
A lot of money for some decent stats but no big wins. When was the last time the Cowboys were in the NFC championship game? This guy has arguably the most offensive talent around him other than Mahomes and nothing to show for it. he was a 4th round pick who wasnt even supposed to be a starter let alone in his first season in the NFL. The team is 40-24 with him under center. Not too bad. Its not like he was a top 10 pick and looked at as a franchise QB. The kid is a good QB and all starters get paid big bucks on the second contract.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 23, 2020 18:59:37 GMT -5
At one time he was a game manager, and with hard work has slowly become a franchise QB. Is he worth the money? Hell no. But then again what athlete is worth the money they make? Dak plays the most important position in the NFL. If you can play and play well you’re going to get paid. See Ryan Tannehill.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 23, 2020 19:15:57 GMT -5
31 mil guaranteed for 2020. Not a bad payday to me. That makes 7 QB's making over 30 mil this year. Wilson the highest at 35 or 36. Until Mahomes makes 40 mil per year. Dak was just shy of 5,000 yds passing, 30 TD's or more, 11-12 ints. And this year with Cee Dee Lamb joining the party the sky is the limit. Dallas is going to be a machine scoring points this season. Not a single weak spot on offense. A+ grades at QB, RB, WR, OL, only TE is mediocre. Scary good. If their defense is just mediocre they win 11-12 games minimum. To me Dak is worth it. Would you rather go with Andy Dalton ? Or sign banged up Cam Newton ? Can Cam fit in as smoothly and hold together ? How much 22-25 mil ? So for the difference why not sign Dak ? Their line is getting old and starting to fall apart...Smith hasn't played 16 games in a while and has a chronic back. They blew it by giving Cooper 100 million when they knew they had a shot at an elite WR in the draft...so they sign him and then draft someone that would have been actually an upgrade if they let him walk Their OL isn't quite as powerful as it once was true, but it's still one of the best in the NFL. Their offense passed for 5,000 yds by Dak, Elliot ran for 1200 yds. I don't believe they weakened themselves by signing Cooper and now with Lamb they've enhanced their passing attack.
The weakness of this team is on defense imo, I believe their offense is a monster.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 23, 2020 21:21:38 GMT -5
Their line is getting old and starting to fall apart...Smith hasn't played 16 games in a while and has a chronic back. They blew it by giving Cooper 100 million when they knew they had a shot at an elite WR in the draft...so they sign him and then draft someone that would have been actually an upgrade if they let him walk Their OL isn't quite as powerful as it once was true, but it's still one of the best in the NFL. Their offense passed for 5,000 yds by Dak, Elliot ran for 1200 yds. I don't believe they weakened themselves by signing Cooper and now with Lamb they've enhanced their passing attack.
The weakness of this team is on defense imo, I believe their offense is a monster.
Money spent on Cooper should have went to retaining Byron Jones
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Jun 23, 2020 21:53:43 GMT -5
A lot of money for some decent stats but no big wins. When was the last time the Cowboys were in the NFC championship game? This guy has arguably the most offensive talent around him other than Mahomes and nothing to show for it. Well, damn, haven't you figured that one out? He's on your NY Giant coaching staff with hands on your chosen QB !!!! Hang on ! I saw 10 years of that biotch. Don't think you can hang that lack of playoff success on the Cowboy QB. We'll know soon enough though. Look at that .... ficken to bust 300 posts over here!
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Jun 23, 2020 22:12:35 GMT -5
Their OL isn't quite as powerful as it once was true, but it's still one of the best in the NFL. Their offense passed for 5,000 yds by Dak, Elliot ran for 1200 yds. I don't believe they weakened themselves by signing Cooper and now with Lamb they've enhanced their passing attack.
The weakness of this team is on defense imo, I believe their offense is a monster.
Money spent on Cooper should have went to retaining Byron Jones Byron Jones ... ol brick hands Jones. 2 int's in 5 years. yea ! Not worth $15M/yr for a CB. He's not a shutdown CB. The 300 ! (good movie)
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Post by TEM on Jun 24, 2020 6:25:50 GMT -5
I hope Jerry signs him to a long term 35+ contract. He will cap cuff them for years.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Jun 24, 2020 8:07:46 GMT -5
Looks like a max of 4 years and there's talk of only 3.
That's been the roadblock in current negotiations as the Cowboys want at least 5 years. The trend seems to be toward shorter contracts to maximize income throughout one's career. The figure being thrown around is $35M. I don't see that being a "cap cuff" rather it is the market.
If DJ turns out to be any good you'll see what the market bears for your team soon. The days of $20M QB's is over (unless the cap drops or your QB sux). Y'all have time on that but SB is next to get paid. Good talent get's paid or get's to hit the market ... to every fan's chagrin.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 24, 2020 11:18:10 GMT -5
I hope Jerry signs him to a long term 35+ contract. He will cap cuff them for years. but if Dak continues to improve his game, which he has every season so far IMO, its what good QB's get on any team. If it pays off the "cap cuff" is a non-issue.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 24, 2020 12:22:40 GMT -5
Looks like a max of 4 years and there's talk of only 3. That's been the roadblock in current negotiations as the Cowboys want at least 5 years. The trend seems to be toward shorter contracts to maximize income throughout one's career. The figure being thrown around is $35M. I don't see that being a "cap cuff" rather it is the market. If DJ turns out to be any good you'll see what the market bears for your team soon. The days of $20M QB's is over (unless the cap drops or your QB sux). Y'all have time on that but SB is next to get paid. Good talent get's paid or get's to hit the market ... to every fan's chagrin. Ideally you want your young franchise qb to win one in his rookie contract, But other than Wilson and Mahomes most of the new breed look to not be capitalizing on this ...(Wilson should have had 2...but...... oops ..tbe Eagles kinda don't count because Foles won it ) We see how much harder it is once the QB gets paid...and especially the surrounding cast..
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 24, 2020 18:48:02 GMT -5
I hope Jerry signs him to a long term 35+ contract. He will cap cuff them for years. Tem, Dak is the 7th QB to now make 30+mil per year. This looks like the new price of doing business for a long term QB contract in the NFL. Mahomes should hit 40 mil on his next contract. In the long run it's going to fit into the cap percentage wise just the same as it has.
Now I'm saying I'm fine with 30 mil QB's and for 2 days I haven't stopped bitching over a vanilla shake at Rita's ice cream stand for $6. How's that for hypocrisy.
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Post by TEM on Jun 24, 2020 19:17:01 GMT -5
I hope Jerry signs him to a long term 35+ contract. He will cap cuff them for years. Tem, Dak is the 7th QB to now make 30+mil per year. This looks like the new price of doing business for a long term QB contract in the NFL. Mahomes should hit 40 mil on his next contract. In the long run it's going to fit into the cap percentage wise just the same as it has.
Now I'm saying I'm fine with 30 mil QB's and for 2 days I haven't stopped bitching over a vanilla shake at Rita's ice cream stand for $6. How's that for hypocrisy.
If what I think will happen. The cap will flatten and be lower due lack of fans in the seats because of the virus. It could be a 75 billion deficit for the league this year and also in 2021.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 25, 2020 7:26:55 GMT -5
Tem, Dak is the 7th QB to now make 30+mil per year. This looks like the new price of doing business for a long term QB contract in the NFL. Mahomes should hit 40 mil on his next contract. In the long run it's going to fit into the cap percentage wise just the same as it has.
Now I'm saying I'm fine with 30 mil QB's and for 2 days I haven't stopped bitching over a vanilla shake at Rita's ice cream stand for $6. How's that for hypocrisy.
If what I think will happen. The cap will flatten and be lower due lack of fans in the seats because of the virus. It could be a 75 billion deficit for the league this year and also in 2021.??.....https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/#3cd6dab1691a The NFL would lose $5.5 billion of stadium revenue (the sum of tickets, concessions, sponsors, parking and team stores)—or 38% of its total revenue—based on figures for the 2018 season (ranking below). But the impact on the individual teams would vary greatly. For example, the Dallas Cowboys and the New England Patriots would lose over half their total revenue while the Buffalo Bills, the Tennessee Titans and the Cincinnati Bengals would lose less than one-third. Divide 5.5B by 32 teams and thats too much for these owners to absorb at all. Now if they dont play at all that would be a much greater loss of course. The NFL profits about 20 to 25 billion as a whole in 2019 from what I read so where does the 75 billion deficit come from. Admittedly I am terrible with accounting and numbers thats why I am asking
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Post by TEM on Jun 25, 2020 8:55:07 GMT -5
If what I think will happen. The cap will flatten and be lower due lack of fans in the seats because of the virus. It could be a 75 billion deficit for the league this year and also in 2021.??.....https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/#3cd6dab1691a The NFL would lose $5.5 billion of stadium revenue (the sum of tickets, concessions, sponsors, parking and team stores)—or 38% of its total revenue—based on figures for the 2018 season (ranking below). But the impact on the individual teams would vary greatly. For example, the Dallas Cowboys and the New England Patriots would lose over half their total revenue while the Buffalo Bills, the Tennessee Titans and the Cincinnati Bengals would lose less than one-third. Divide 5.5B by 32 teams and thats too much for these owners to absorb at all. Now if they dont play at all that would be a much greater loss of course. The NFL profits about 20 to 25 billion as a whole in 2019 from what I read so where does the 75 billion deficit come from. Admittedly I am terrible with accounting and numbers thats why I am asking My bad I miss-quoted it is actually 75 million per team. What I should have remembered.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 25, 2020 11:54:24 GMT -5
??.....https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/#3cd6dab1691a The NFL would lose $5.5 billion of stadium revenue (the sum of tickets, concessions, sponsors, parking and team stores)—or 38% of its total revenue—based on figures for the 2018 season (ranking below). But the impact on the individual teams would vary greatly. For example, the Dallas Cowboys and the New England Patriots would lose over half their total revenue while the Buffalo Bills, the Tennessee Titans and the Cincinnati Bengals would lose less than one-third. Divide 5.5B by 32 teams and thats too much for these owners to absorb at all. Now if they dont play at all that would be a much greater loss of course. The NFL profits about 20 to 25 billion as a whole in 2019 from what I read so where does the 75 billion deficit come from. Admittedly I am terrible with accounting and numbers thats why I am asking My bad I miss-quoted it is actually 75 million per team. What I should have remembered. you must work for NASA!!
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Post by TEM on Jun 25, 2020 15:15:30 GMT -5
My bad I miss-quoted it is actually 75 million per team. What I should have remembered. you must work for NASA!! MY dad did
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Post by JPthePizz on Jun 25, 2020 15:57:21 GMT -5
31 mil guaranteed for 2020. Not a bad payday to me. That makes 7 QB's making over 30 mil this year. Wilson the highest at 35 or 36. Until Mahomes makes 40 mil per year. Dak was just shy of 5,000 yds passing, 30 TD's or more, 11-12 ints. And this year with Cee Dee Lamb joining the party the sky is the limit. Dallas is going to be a machine scoring points this season. Not a single weak spot on offense. A+ grades at QB, RB, WR, OL, only TE is mediocre. Scary good. If their defense is just mediocre they win 11-12 games minimum. To me Dak is worth it. Would you rather go with Andy Dalton ? Or sign banged up Cam Newton ? Can Cam fit in as smoothly and hold together ? How much 22-25 mil ? So for the difference why not sign Dak ? I feel like this gets said every year, but still no playoff success. So how does a team with no weak spots not just outright win all the time?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 25, 2020 17:42:36 GMT -5
Tem, Dak is the 7th QB to now make 30+mil per year. This looks like the new price of doing business for a long term QB contract in the NFL. Mahomes should hit 40 mil on his next contract. In the long run it's going to fit into the cap percentage wise just the same as it has.
Now I'm saying I'm fine with 30 mil QB's and for 2 days I haven't stopped bitching over a vanilla shake at Rita's ice cream stand for $6. How's that for hypocrisy.
I'm with but damn those are good shakes!!! Red believe it or not I just went back today for a 2nd shake. I drive by it everyday coming back from the horses.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 25, 2020 17:51:20 GMT -5
31 mil guaranteed for 2020. Not a bad payday to me. That makes 7 QB's making over 30 mil this year. Wilson the highest at 35 or 36. Until Mahomes makes 40 mil per year. Dak was just shy of 5,000 yds passing, 30 TD's or more, 11-12 ints. And this year with Cee Dee Lamb joining the party the sky is the limit. Dallas is going to be a machine scoring points this season. Not a single weak spot on offense. A+ grades at QB, RB, WR, OL, only TE is mediocre. Scary good. If their defense is just mediocre they win 11-12 games minimum. To me Dak is worth it. Would you rather go with Andy Dalton ? Or sign banged up Cam Newton ? Can Cam fit in as smoothly and hold together ? How much 22-25 mil ? So for the difference why not sign Dak ? I feel like this gets said every year, but still no playoff success. So how does a team with no weak spots not just outright win all the time?
Yea they always seem to come up short. I guess that's how we got Garrett. This year the NFC is up for grabs, you could argue at least 6 teams for the best in the NFC. But I actually was just talking about the Dallas offense. I think we could find weaknesses on their defense.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 26, 2020 11:55:56 GMT -5
Money spent on Cooper should have went to retaining Byron Jones Byron Jones ... ol brick hands Jones. 2 int's in 5 years. yea ! Not worth $15M/yr for a CB. He's not a shutdown CB. The 300 ! (good movie) Wasn't he ranked in the top 15 or starting Corners? Isn't that better than 75% of all starting corners is the league? A corners primary responsibility isn't interceptions.... Of course, you would like your corner to have more interceptions but you obviously want a your corner to prevent/limit receptions. Sometimes it's not worth the risk to go for an interceptions and your team ends up getting burned....
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Jun 26, 2020 12:26:10 GMT -5
Byron Jones ... ol brick hands Jones. 2 int's in 5 years. yea ! Not worth $15M/yr for a CB. He's not a shutdown CB. The 300 ! (good movie) Wasn't he ranked in the top 15 or starting Corners? Isn't that better than 75% of all starting corners is the league? A corners primary responsibility isn't interceptions.... Of course, you would like your corner to have more interceptions but you obviously want a your corner to prevent/limit receptions. Sometimes it's not worth the risk to go for an interceptions and your team ends up getting burned.... I see your points and agree. I think he was a top 5 CB. Turnovers change the complexion of the game, shorten the field for the offense, and is a focus of Dallas' new defensive priorities. Dallas has consistently ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league in int's and last year was tied for last with 7. The #1 ranked DB in the league Stephon Gilmore had 6. But, if you're not Deion Sanders you aren't worth that kind of money although I might pay Gilmore that ... he's great. Interceptions and fumble recoveries are an important part of the game . Acquiring turnovers is coached by most staffs. Also, to your point, a turnover limits a reception and probably limits more receptions (we would never know that though as it falls under the "what if" catagory). I liked Jones and watched him develop and wish we could have kept him. Losing him may hurt my team. You can't pay everybody the big bucks and right now I like the way my team is constructed.
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Post by devilsadvocate on Jun 26, 2020 12:33:44 GMT -5
We'll see if Garrett was the reasons for the lack of any postseason success for the Cowboys or whether it is the personnel or *gasp* the owner. Getting a coach who lost the locker room and upon his departure the team rebounded to 13 wins isn't a great story but Jerry seems to know best at least in his own mind.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 26, 2020 12:53:24 GMT -5
Wasn't he ranked in the top 15 or starting Corners? Isn't that better than 75% of all starting corners is the league? A corners primary responsibility isn't interceptions.... Of course, you would like your corner to have more interceptions but you obviously want a your corner to prevent/limit receptions. Sometimes it's not worth the risk to go for an interceptions and your team ends up getting burned.... I see your points and agree. I think he was a top 5 CB. Turnovers change the complexion of the game, shorten the field for the offense, and is a focus of Dallas' new defensive priorities. Dallas has consistently ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league in int's and last year was tied for last with 7. The #1 ranked DB in the league Stephon Gilmore had 6. But, if you're not Deion Sanders you aren't worth that kind of money although I might pay Gilmore that ... he's great. Interceptions and fumble recoveries are an important part of the game . Acquiring turnovers is coached by most staffs. Also, to your point, a turnover limits a reception and probably limits more receptions (we would never know that though as it falls un2waes34eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee4e4eeder the "what if" catagory). I liked Jones and watched him develop and wish we could have kept him. Losing him may hurt my team. You can't pay everybody the big bucks and right now I like the way my team is constructed. Yeah, he was a good player and you are right,you can't pay everyone. You still have to pay Dak and all. Good corners don't always come so easy.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 27, 2020 11:04:53 GMT -5
We'll see if Garrett was the reasons for the lack of any postseason success for the Cowboys or whether it is the personnel or *gasp* the owner. Getting a coach who lost the locker room and upon his departure the team rebounded to 13 wins isn't a great story but Jerry seems to know best at least in his own mind. maybe its not one individual thing/person but the result of the mix of people on the staff.
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Post by devilsadvocate on Jun 30, 2020 11:01:41 GMT -5
We'll see if Garrett was the reasons for the lack of any postseason success for the Cowboys or whether it is the personnel or *gasp* the owner. Getting a coach who lost the locker room and upon his departure the team rebounded to 13 wins isn't a great story but Jerry seems to know best at least in his own mind. maybe its not one individual thing/person but the result of the mix of people on the staff. Which lays the blame at Jerry. Personally, I think Jerry is the problem in Dallas just like Snyder is in DC, but what do I know? I am just a fan who watches games.
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