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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 26, 2020 19:54:41 GMT -5
Peppers deal is up anyway. Love is unproven commodity with a high ceiling. Adams is an established beast.
Since he's requesting a trade and he wouldn't need to uproot himself by going to the Giants....And Gettleman obviously trades with the Jets
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Post by McCherry on Jun 26, 2020 20:20:31 GMT -5
Just in terms of the change of talent hell yes. But the contract would not work.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Jun 26, 2020 20:43:31 GMT -5
Jets have asked for more from Dallas. They have wanted any of Dallas Tyron Smith(ALl Pro), Zack Martin(All Pro), or La'el Collins(highest graded OL) plus a #1. Don't think you have enough chips on the table.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 26, 2020 21:39:57 GMT -5
Jets have asked for more from Dallas. They have wanted any of Dallas Tyron Smith(ALl Pro), Zack Martin(All Pro), or La'el Collins(highest graded OL) plus a #1. Don't think you have enough chips on the table. Yeah Jets would lol @ us Not happening
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 26, 2020 21:41:44 GMT -5
Nope , the contract isn't worth it and while his talent is great he seems to be all about him.JMO So he'd be bad for us because he's too good?
I like it.....
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Post by GameTime on Jun 27, 2020 5:58:47 GMT -5
based on why he wants off the Jets why would he want to come to the NYGs?
Add in the fact that Adams wants to be a Cowboy and there is no chance he wants to b a a Giant
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Post by tcseacliff on Jun 27, 2020 7:56:18 GMT -5
based on why he wants off the Jets why would he want to come to the NYGs? Add in the fact that Adams wants to be a Cowboy and there is no chance he wants to b a a Giant Because the Jets are asshats!!
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Post by TEM on Jun 27, 2020 8:17:29 GMT -5
No Peppers is a very good. Love is as cheap as they come as far as his cap hit and looks to be a steel in the draft. His celling is unknown
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Post by bluejayc on Jun 27, 2020 8:27:24 GMT -5
Jabrill and Adams have the same amount of time left in each of their contracts so that point is moot.....if we're just talking talent level and a straight up trade without $$$$ or additional compensation then yes. In reality though the Jets would want a ton for him and then you'd have to re-up and extend him to the big $$$ he'll demand as part of the deal or in two year when his contract expires. Peppers value won't be nearly as much.....could presumably re-up him at a discount compared to Adams......best bang for the buck. Peppers cost over the next 2 years is $8.5 mil: Peppers Contract (Spotrac)Adams cost over the next 2 years is $17 mil: Adams Contract (Spotrac)
Their contracts say Adams is twice as good as Peppers....I would disagree that the disparity in talent level is that great.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 27, 2020 8:35:35 GMT -5
Talented guy but I do not want that kind of BS in our locker room. At least Odell did all the right things when he wanted a contract and he plays the biggest drama queen position in the NFL.
For everything Adams accuses the Jets of doing, he has not been very honest himself. He claimed he "never runs from adversity" yet it started with wanting a new contract but now he has beef with Gase? I dont care for Gase but something doesnt add up. Then its reported he would be willing to go to certain teams without being extended this year. So what is it? The money or the management?
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Post by bavarobeast on Jun 27, 2020 8:57:12 GMT -5
Nope - the obvious reasons have been stated already.
BTW I believe Peppers will have a great season - his best so far.
Love - I’m not sold on yet.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 27, 2020 8:57:22 GMT -5
Talented guy but I do not want that kind of BS in our locker room. At least Odell did all the right things when he wanted a contract and he plays the biggest drama queen position in the NFL. For everything Adams accuses the Jets of doing, he has not been very honest himself. He claimed he "never runs from adversity" yet it started with wanting a new contract but now he has beef with Gase? I dont care for Gase but something doesnt add up. Then its reported he would be willing to go to certain teams without being extended this year. So what is it? The money or the management? Then went out and blasted the team... Adams is not a problem in the locker room or anywhere off the field. He says the Jets promised him a new contract, they haven't denied that. His complaints are entirely business-related. The guy is a respected leader. He single-handedly ignited the Jets second-half ass kicking against us last season.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 27, 2020 9:10:07 GMT -5
So he'd be bad for us because he's too good?
I like it.....
LOL, see that's the MS I know,making something out of nothing! Not what I said but you be you! Peppers is essentially "just a guy". Love is an unproven young player. Adams is a bona fide game changer.
Ask Daniel Jones.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 27, 2020 9:10:30 GMT -5
Talented guy but I do not want that kind of BS in our locker room. At least Odell did all the right things when he wanted a contract and he plays the biggest drama queen position in the NFL. For everything Adams accuses the Jets of doing, he has not been very honest himself. He claimed he "never runs from adversity" yet it started with wanting a new contract but now he has beef with Gase? I dont care for Gase but something doesnt add up. Then its reported he would be willing to go to certain teams without being extended this year. So what is it? The money or the management? Then went out and blasted the team... Adams is not a problem in the locker room or anywhere off the field. He says the Jets promised him a new contract, they haven't denied that. His complaints are entirely business-related. The guy is a respected leader. He single-handedly ignited the Jets second-half ass kicking against us last season. I never said he didnt do that. I said when he wanted a contract, he did everything right and at the end of the offseason was rewarded a new fat contract. Anything after that is a irrelevant. Odell was also going into his 5th year option, Adams is going into his 4th season. You say he isnt a problem in the locker room, sure maybe in the past. But he has made it clear as day he doesnt want to be a Jet anymore. Business related mostly but then why is he coming out after the HC? Why is he publicly saying hes trying to get to Dallas? Or his agent putting out teams he wants to go to? You dont see how that may be a problem in the locker room and a possible distraction ? NYJ own his rights this year AND next year, with the option to franchise him after that. Im not denying he deserves a contract or what the Jets may or may not have promised him but with the circumstances what they are right now, from a financial point it makes no sense to extend him right now.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 27, 2020 9:23:20 GMT -5
Then went out and blasted the team... Adams is not a problem in the locker room or anywhere off the field. He says the Jets promised him a new contract, they haven't denied that. His complaints are entirely business-related. The guy is a respected leader. He single-handedly ignited the Jets second-half ass kicking against us last season. I never said he didnt do that. I said when he wanted a contract, he did everything right and at the end of the offseason was rewarded a new fat contract. Anything after that is a irrelevant. Odell was also going into his 5th year option, Adams is going into his 4th season. You say he isnt a problem in the locker room, sure maybe in the past. But he has made it clear as day he doesnt want to be a Jet anymore. Business related mostly but then why is he coming out after the HC? Why is he publicly saying hes trying to get to Dallas? Or his agent putting out teams he wants to go to? You dont see how that may be a problem in the locker room and a possible distraction ? NYJ own his rights this year AND next year, with the option to franchise him after that. Im not denying he deserves a contract or what the Jets may or may not have promised him but with the circumstances what they are right now, from a financial point it makes no sense to extend him right now. Beckham did about everything wrong you could do his first 3 years. He also had that video surface of him holding a blunt during that offseason. Strahan did the same thing as Adams during his first renegotiation. He even talked about playing for the Eagles. It's called hard negotiation, it means nothing. The players in the locker room understand and support this.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 27, 2020 9:27:34 GMT -5
I never said he didnt do that. I said when he wanted a contract, he did everything right and at the end of the offseason was rewarded a new fat contract. Anything after that is a irrelevant. Odell was also going into his 5th year option, Adams is going into his 4th season. You say he isnt a problem in the locker room, sure maybe in the past. But he has made it clear as day he doesnt want to be a Jet anymore. Business related mostly but then why is he coming out after the HC? Why is he publicly saying hes trying to get to Dallas? Or his agent putting out teams he wants to go to? You dont see how that may be a problem in the locker room and a possible distraction ? NYJ own his rights this year AND next year, with the option to franchise him after that. Im not denying he deserves a contract or what the Jets may or may not have promised him but with the circumstances what they are right now, from a financial point it makes no sense to extend him right now. Beckham did about everything wrong you could do his first 3 years. He also had that video surface of him holding a blunt during that offseason. Strahan did the same thing as Adams during his first renegotiation. He even talked about playing for the Eagles. It's called hard negotiation, it means nothing. The players in the locker room understand and support this. Well Odell did a few things right. he caught a lot of passes for a lot of yards ans scored a lot of TD's.
As a matter of fact he's the only WR in NFL history with 80 catches and 1000 yards in each of his first three years.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 27, 2020 9:49:09 GMT -5
I never said he didnt do that. I said when he wanted a contract, he did everything right and at the end of the offseason was rewarded a new fat contract. Anything after that is a irrelevant. Odell was also going into his 5th year option, Adams is going into his 4th season. You say he isnt a problem in the locker room, sure maybe in the past. But he has made it clear as day he doesnt want to be a Jet anymore. Business related mostly but then why is he coming out after the HC? Why is he publicly saying hes trying to get to Dallas? Or his agent putting out teams he wants to go to? You dont see how that may be a problem in the locker room and a possible distraction ? NYJ own his rights this year AND next year, with the option to franchise him after that. Im not denying he deserves a contract or what the Jets may or may not have promised him but with the circumstances what they are right now, from a financial point it makes no sense to extend him right now. Beckham did about everything wrong you could do his first 3 years. He also had that video surface of him holding a blunt during that offseason. Strahan did the same thing as Adams during his first renegotiation. He even talked about playing for the Eagles. It's called hard negotiation, it means nothing. The players in the locker room understand and support this. Odell was not getting a contract in his first 3 seasons. But when he was rightfully due for a contract after his fourth season, he showed up and tried to prove he had grown past his earlier problems. Was he perfect? No. And after he got his contract did it all turn out to be BS? Absolutely. That is why they shipped his ass to Cleveland. I cant say what Strahan did, im guessing that was in 1996? Nothing online about that so I cant find any information on it. But its a far different world between 96 and 2020. Jamal Adams is not negotiating with the Jets, this is forcing his way off the NYJ. Hes made it clear he wants to go somewhere else, even without getting paid, which is the root of this problem. Now its turned ugly. The players want their friends to get their money. Theres no arguing there. But you dont see how much of a distraction this whole situation would be if Adams is still a Jet in 2020?
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Post by McCherry on Jun 27, 2020 10:03:18 GMT -5
Beckham did about everything wrong you could do his first 3 years. He also had that video surface of him holding a blunt during that offseason. Strahan did the same thing as Adams during his first renegotiation. He even talked about playing for the Eagles. It's called hard negotiation, it means nothing. The players in the locker room understand and support this. Odell was not getting a contract in his first 3 seasons. But when he was rightfully due for a contract after his fourth season, he showed up and tried to prove he had grown past his earlier problems. Was he perfect? No. And after he got his contract did it all turn out to be BS? Absolutely. That is why they shipped his ass to Cleveland. I cant say what Strahan did, im guessing that was in 1996? Nothing online about that so I cant find any information on it. But its a far different world between 96 and 2020. Jamal Adams is not negotiating with the Jets, this is forcing his way off the NYJ. Hes made it clear he wants to go somewhere else, even without getting paid, which is the root of this problem. Now its turned ugly. The players want their friends to get their money. Theres no arguing there. But you dont see how much of a distraction this whole situation would be if Adams is still a Jet in 2020?That's why the Giants gave Odell the money. The Jets have to pay or trade him. He doesn’t fit in our cap structure either.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 27, 2020 11:26:27 GMT -5
Seems pretty split down the middle
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 27, 2020 11:33:16 GMT -5
It’s a hypothetical question people. I like how fans try to break it down. Again, would you trade Peppers and Love for Adams? Most if not all should say absolutely. Best safety in the league, will be 25 in October. A game changer at the safety position.
The negative is, will he ever be satisfied? He gets a big new contract. Highest paid safety in the league. Will he be happy after two seasons? Or will he want to renegotiate? He’s the modern Darrelle Revis. Great player, who is always looking for that next big contract.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 27, 2020 12:27:33 GMT -5
I thought the Jets wanted 2 #1's draft choices. Adams on his 3rd year wants to renegotiate the rookie contract which goes 5 years for a #1 draft choice. Even if you sign him he could want out. He comes from Texas he wants the Cowboys. Don't think they could do the money, but Adams may work with them.
If I'm Dallas and can somehow work out the money I'd do it in a heartbeat. Their 1st rd picks are going to be in the last 8 picks of the 1st rd anyway. Nobody near as good as Jamal Adams.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 13:15:54 GMT -5
Nope , the contract isn't worth it and while his talent is great he seems to be all about him.JMO 💯, any player that demands a trade before his contract is up brings up red flags for me.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 27, 2020 14:11:13 GMT -5
I thought the Jets wanted 2 #1's draft choices. Adams on his 3rd year wants to renegotiate the rookie contract which goes 5 years for a #1 draft choice. Even if you sign him he could want out. He comes from Texas he wants the Cowboys. Don't think they could do the money, but Adams may work with them. If I'm Dallas and can somehow work out the money I'd do it in a heartbeat. Their 1st rd picks are going to be in the last 8 picks of the 1st rd anyway. Nobody near as good as Jamal Adams. Could also be Jerruh tampering proxy someone else through his agent..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 27, 2020 16:31:54 GMT -5
I would I really like Peppers liked in college and think Love is gonna be fine DB and have a ton of versatility. Adams is a game changer.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 27, 2020 17:05:28 GMT -5
Maybe. Depends on the contract. The talent is not even questionable and I am a huge fan of Love and Peppers.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 27, 2020 18:50:23 GMT -5
I would rather give money to Adams and let Leonard Williams walk
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Post by Bigjeep on Jun 27, 2020 19:35:38 GMT -5
Just in terms of the change of talent hell yes. But the contract would not work. What dreams are made of!
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Post by TEM on Jun 28, 2020 8:45:21 GMT -5
I am a bit perplexed . Can on of the 13 that voted yes. Explain why this would be a good deal for the Giants?
Peppers and Love have a combined cap hit of 2.75 million ( last year 2 million)
Adams is 7.2 ( last year 6 million)
Peppers/ Love 113 tackles in 1114 snaps. 10 snaps per tackle at a cost of $ 1795 per snap or $17,700 per tackle
Adams 75 tackles in 961 snaps . 9 snaps per tackle at a cost of $6244 per snap, or $80,000 per tackle
Peppers / Love had 2 ints at the cost of 1 million per int.
Adams had 1 int at the cost of $6 million . 6 million per int.
Although Adams had 6.5 Sacks with 13 QB hits compared to Peppers/Love 0 sacks ad 3 QB hits
Adams $923,000 per sack and $462,000 per QB hit.
Peppers / Love 0 sacks at $2 million $667,000 per QB hit.
(Jets 7-9 ) Adams $759,143 per win . $375,000 per game
(Giants 4-12) Peppers/ Love $500,000 per win . $125,000 per game
Can someone tell me how the cost / production ratio is affective for this trade? (For the Giants)
The cost analysis for production output is not a significant upgrade for the cost. ( For the Giants)
It is not like Adams' production stats are off the charts for a free safety.
The Jets would be foolish not to make this deal if it is presented.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 28, 2020 12:08:41 GMT -5
I am a bit perplexed . Can on of the 13 that voted yes. Explain why this would be a good deal for the Giants? Peppers and Love have a combined cap hit of 2.75 million ( last year 2 million) Adams is 7.2 ( last year 6 million) Peppers/ Love 113 tackles in 1114 snaps. 10 snaps per tackle at a cost of $ 1795 per snap or $17,700 per tackle Adams 75 tackles in 961 snaps . 9 snaps per tackle at a cost of $6244 per snap, or $80,000 per tackle Peppers / Love had 2 ints at the cost of 1 million per int. Adams had 1 int at the cost of $6 million . 6 million per int. Although Adams had 6.5 Sacks with 13 QB hits compared to Peppers/Love 0 sacks ad 3 QB hits Adams $923,000 per sack and $462,000 per QB hit. Peppers / Love 0 sacks at $2 million $667,000 per QB hit. (Jets 7-9 ) Adams $759,143 per win . $375,000 per game (Giants 4-12) Peppers/ Love $500,000 per win . $125,000 per game Can someone tell me how the cost / production ratio is affective for this trade? (For the Giants) The cost analysis for production output is not a significant upgrade for the cost. ( For the Giants) It is not like Adams' production stats are off the charts for a free safety. The Jets would be foolish not to make this deal if it is presented. I stated my answer was strictly speculative based on performance not contract. The contract would never work and the Jets would never make this trade in the first place.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 28, 2020 12:28:42 GMT -5
I am a bit perplexed . Can on of the 13 that voted yes. Explain why this would be a good deal for the Giants? Peppers and Love have a combined cap hit of 2.75 million ( last year 2 million) Adams is 7.2 ( last year 6 million) Peppers/ Love 113 tackles in 1114 snaps. 10 snaps per tackle at a cost of $ 1795 per snap or $17,700 per tackle Adams 75 tackles in 961 snaps . 9 snaps per tackle at a cost of $6244 per snap, or $80,000 per tackle Peppers / Love had 2 ints at the cost of 1 million per int. Adams had 1 int at the cost of $6 million . 6 million per int. Although Adams had 6.5 Sacks with 13 QB hits compared to Peppers/Love 0 sacks ad 3 QB hits Adams $923,000 per sack and $462,000 per QB hit. Peppers / Love 0 sacks at $2 million $667,000 per QB hit. (Jets 7-9 ) Adams $759,143 per win . $375,000 per game (Giants 4-12) Peppers/ Love $500,000 per win . $125,000 per game Can someone tell me how the cost / production ratio is affective for this trade? (For the Giants) The cost analysis for production output is not a significant upgrade for the cost. ( For the Giants) It is not like Adams' production stats are off the charts for a free safety. The Jets would be foolish not to make this deal if it is presented. This is a whole lot of hot air. It’s much easier to say Adams is the far superior player to Peppers and Love. We could only hope the Jets would be dumb enough to make this trade. All 31 teams would gladly give an average safety and unknown second year player for an all pro.
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